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metal spheres found in 2 million year old rock???

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posted on Jul, 27 2007 @ 02:08 PM
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I remember reading about this some-where on above-top secret.

Metal spheres found in 2 million or maybe even 2 billion year old pyrophyllite rock when it was cut open. Those spheres are on display some-where and was mined some-where in south africa I believe.

Anyone know anymore on this???




posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 03:17 AM
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wow man thats way interesting.i found some articles about them,has this ever been debunked?Seems a find like this would change everything we know.

www.thestoneage.org...
www.ancientx.com... this page also has other weird old objects.

there are a million other websites on google.the time varies hugely so who knows if it is true.hrmm



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 03:31 AM
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Could there be any chance these were formed naturally? I mean, a bubble takes on a natural spherical shape, so why not metal in molten rock?

Either way, it certainly would be mind blowing to find.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 03:41 AM
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Interesting stuff. I've never heard of these but I have heard of pieces of iron chain coming out of solid lumps of coal & such like. Is it true that this is "forbidden archaeology"? i.e. when such things are found there's a cover-up? It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
I don't believe that there's been life on this planet for millions of years but we humans have only been "civilised" for a few thousand. There's bound to be some truth in the Atlantis & Lemuria stories. I think there've been technologically advanced civilisations before this one, maybe a number of times, and we've either destroyed ourselves or someone else has done the job. Have you heard of the stone structures/buildings dotted all over Scotland that appear to have survived some sort of nuclear blast? They're extremely old but the molecular structure has been exposed to such extreme high heat that some of the stone has turned to glass.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 04:11 AM
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About 6 years ago while talking whit my brother i came up with the theory that man kind has made it this far before,but we wipe ourselves out through war or natural disaster.

Then we go through evolution again and millions of years of evolution we came to where we are now.Now any evidence would be mostly decomposed and would be under many many hundreds of feet of earth.

Come to find out there are many many other theories just like this so now i don't feel so special heh.But im going to keep checking for any other out of place artifacts and ill post em when i find them.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 04:12 AM
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This seems like it might be related
www.crystalinks.com...

Its about the Ica Stones of Peru, yet another discovery that points to an ancient advanced civilization.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 04:18 AM
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About 6 years ago while talking whit my brother i came up with the theory that man kind has made it this far before,but we wipe ourselves out through war or natural disaster.

Then we go through evolution again and millions of years of evolution we came to where we are now.Now any evidence would be mostly decomposed and would be under many many hundreds of feet of earth.


If we were totally wiped out I doubt humans would evolve again...

And we would have found the remains of those civilisations anyway.


Its about the Ica Stones of Peru, yet another discovery that points to an ancient advanced civilization.


Which are fakes. You can do a search in google, the fakers even admitted..



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by DarkSide



Which are fakes. You can do a search in google, the fakers even admitted..


Wow, wasn't aware of that, thanks for the correction. (and i don't mean that in a harsh way, if i'm wrong let me know)



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by DarkSide

About 6 years ago while talking whit my brother i came up with the theory that man kind has made it this far before,but we wipe ourselves out through war or natural disaster.

Then we go through evolution again and millions of years of evolution we came to where we are now.Now any evidence would be mostly decomposed and would be under many many hundreds of feet of earth.


If we were totally wiped out I doubt humans would evolve again...

And we would have found the remains of those civilisations anyway.


Its about the Ica Stones of Peru, yet another discovery that points to an ancient advanced civilization.


Which are fakes. You can do a search in google, the fakers even admitted..


Lol how can you say that?We evolved into human by luck then?Doubtfull.

Also the debree would be mostly decomposed and be under millions and millions of years of dirt or water or whatever else.So go look hundreds maybe thousands of feet below the surface for a tiny piece of metal million of years old...I never even heard of a search ever being conducted like this so how can you say we would have found soemthing?.

Why wouldnt we evolve into humans again i must know.this means you dont believe in evolution?



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 07:12 AM
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Evolution doesn't work like that. Things change, and something different would evolve. There is no pattern that evolution is trying to reproduce. No template. If mankind got knocked back to extinction, any surviving apes would not evolve into Homo Sapiens. If mankind got knocked back to the edge of extinction millions of years ago, they would have evolved over those millions of years into something different. The fossil record of such an ancient man is missing entirely.

As for buried ancient civilizations. What about all the deep scanning radar exploration of the Earth that we have done? What about all the tectonic upheavals that have brought deep strata to the surface. You can see that in cliff faces and even highway cuts. If we can find Dinosaurs from millions of years before man evolved, why is there no evidence of this past human advanced civilization?

It is a fun idea to speculate on, but the evidence is clearly against it.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 07:41 AM
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Those scans arent looking for small artifacts are they?no

And you have no proof evolution would not go the same way.Nor do i have proof that it would except we are here today........

Just as my thoughts are speculation so are yours.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 07:41 AM
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bah double post.

[edit on 29-7-2007 by Project_Silo]



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 07:52 AM
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you might try "Out-Of-Place-Artifacts" in your search

i think most everthing thats seems out of place or from another timeline
usually gets a explaination that makes the artifact not so special,,,,

but there's always exceptions...until science & our knowledge base
improves so that those exceptional oddities can also be finally explained


?? somebody shooting musket balls that got lodged into a clay backstop which then got baked into a hard rock composition ???

...just as much a stretch as having giant ball bearings exist at the dawn of homo sapiens on Earth



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by Project_Silo
Lol how can you say that?We evolved into human by luck then?Doubtfull.


See Terapin's post.


Also the debree would be mostly decomposed and be under millions and millions of years of dirt or water or whatever else.So go look hundreds maybe thousands of feet below the surface for a tiny piece of metal million of years old...I never even heard of a search ever being conducted like this so how can you say we would have found soemthing?.


We can find fossils of dinosaurs, so if there were previous advanced civilisations we should also be finding skyscrapers, fast food restaurants and abandonned spaceships...


Why wouldnt we evolve into humans again i must know.this means you dont believe in evolution?


No I don't believe in evolution. Evolution is scientific fact.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 08:35 AM
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""Which are fakes. You can do a search in google, the fakers even admitted.."""

Your really picking and choosing here. I googled it like you said and found that the articles reffering to fakes almost always mention that ...."some were found to be fake.."
Some being the keyword. This makes sense as it seems the indians and farmers of the area were able to get some goid coin for the fakes. You can fake a 50 dollar bill but real ones will remain. Someone in one of the articles made a point i liked. He said according to alot of historical records the Egyptions did not have the technology to build the pyramids so then they must be fakes. Likewise...Alot of historical records dont allow for the possibility of the thousands of Ica Stones so like the pyramids they must be fake.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 08:44 AM
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Just on the evolution topic raised here, not all would agree.


If the history of life on Earth could be rewound and replayed, many of the same innovations would reappear, although at different times and in slightly different forms.

This is the conclusion of Geerat Vermeij, a paleontologist at the University of California, Davis.

Vermeij's views imply that evolution is in some ways predictable and that life on other planets might not be so alien after all.

"Some traits are so advantageous under so many circumstances, or arise so relatively easily by virtue of self-organization, that you're likely to see the same things again and again," Vermeij told LiveScience.

Source


There is evidence that suggests cover ups do exist in archeology, this is not to say that it is planned and concealed by some mystery men in a smoke filled room but sadly by the negative aspects of the human condition, ego, fear and the ever strong herd instinct.

Anyone interested in these things should check the work of Michael Cremo.
video.google.com.au...
The spheres are mentioned in this interview.
video.google.com.au...

[edit on 29-7-2007 by squiz]



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 09:33 AM
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If we can find abundant remains of Dinosaurs around the globe, why then isn't there equally abundant relics from the proposed advanced civilization? The proof is in the pudding. We are not talking about a few tiny scraps of metal, we are talking about an advanced, machine using civilization. This WOULD show up in deep scans, as well as crop up in tectonic shifts much like we see with dinosaurs. We have dug up quite a lot of earth around the globe, yet there is no buried cars nor McDonalds to be found. No advanced metalworking's, no advanced structures, no record like we find in abundance with Dinosaurs.

We Have found a good deal of relics from ancient early civilization around the globe, but nothing of any highly advanced society.

The Ica stones are known fakes. Their history is well documented even if some individuals keep trying to promote that they are genuine. The sciences they use to support their claims is highly inaccurate. The Ica stones do not at all depict advanced civilization other than the ones with UFOs but those are admitted hoaxes.

In the case of evolution, while you can find those who propose that certain "traits" are indeed advantageous and could crop up in a variety of species, like having two eyes for example, no one with any credibility has shown that two separate cases of evolution could lead to the same total outcome. Evolution does not work that way. Take two species, factor in different environmental pressures, genetic drift, genetic mutation, horizontal evolution, and you will not get the same outcome. Why don't we find any human shaped dinosaurs? The Dinosaurs were around for many millions of years longer than humans have been around. Surely in all that time they would have evolved into dino-humans according to your theory.

As I said, it is fun to speculate on such ideas, but unless you utilize solid science, it is nothing more than an interesting science fiction story.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Terapin
If we can find abundant remains of Dinosaurs around the globe, why then isn't there equally abundant relics from the proposed advanced civilization? The proof is in the pudding. We are not talking about a few tiny scraps of metal, we are talking about an advanced, machine using civilization. This WOULD show up in deep scans, as well as crop up in tectonic shifts much like we see with dinosaurs. We have dug up quite a lot of earth around the globe, yet there is no buried cars nor McDonalds to be found. No advanced metalworking's, no advanced structures, no record like we find in abundance with Dinosaurs.

We Have found a good deal of relics from ancient early civilization around the globe, but nothing of any highly advanced society.

The Ica stones are known fakes. Their history is well documented even if some individuals keep trying to promote that they are genuine. The sciences they use to support their claims is highly inaccurate. The Ica stones do not at all depict advanced civilization other than the ones with UFOs but those are admitted hoaxes.
As I said, it is fun to speculate on such ideas, but unless you utilize solid science, it is nothing more than an interesting science fiction story.


so because the inca stones were fake that makes the steel spheres with grooves cut into them fake also? or are they not 'proof" enough for you?
what about the other "modern" artifacts found imbedded in stone such as this hammer:

www.mondovista.com...

or how about this ancient calculator (Antikythera Mechanism):

www.nature.com...

if these aren't enough proof of andvance ancient people what is?a video of them cooking tv dinners?...no then you would say it was CGI nevermind



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Terapin
In the case of evolution, while you can find those who propose that certain "traits" are indeed advantageous and could crop up in a variety of species, like having two eyes for example, no one with any credibility has shown that two separate cases of evolution could lead to the same total outcome.


Perhaps you didn't read the article, this is what has been observed on some levels. Not resulting in the same design of the creature but different species evolving the the same traits. No I don't think anyone can show the same creature evolving from two different sources.

Actually I believe macro changes in evolution have been a bit of a problem for darwinians but there's plenty of evidence to show micro changes. It's not such an outrageous claim nature operates through laws and patterns that repeat on all scales.


Originally posted by Terapin
Evolution does not work that way. Take two species, factor in different environmental pressures, genetic drift, genetic mutation, horizontal evolution, and you will not get the same outcome. Why don't we find any human shaped dinosaurs? The Dinosaurs were around for many millions of years longer than humans have been around. Surely in all that time they would have evolved into dino-humans according to your theory.


Ah, it's not my theory, although I agree with it. Dare I say it but I'm guessing the paleontologist in the article I posted may have a better grasp on evolution than the both of us put together, although you wouldn't assume so from your post. Human shaped dinosaurs have been theorized by some but it has nothing to do with this theory.

As for an advanced civilization, It depends on your definition of advanced, No one has said anything about cars or Mcdonalds. Your building a straw man here. The evidence is there but you won't find it in wikipedia.



posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 12:17 PM
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What I was referring to, is the statement made earlier in this thread, that mankind has in the past developed to its current state of advancement, and then destroyed itself. There is no evidence for this.

It was also stated that after this total destruction, mankind re-evolved. Evolution is divergent, not convergent. Yes, some traits are indeed common, but that does not lead towards convergent evolution with the end result of homo sapiens re evolving.

The hammer mentioned above is not at all the miracle it is made out to be. It is in fact, not at all that old. If you had done a fact check on this, you would know that. There is even a good thread on it here on ATS which debunks the claim of ancient origin. It is a relatively modern hammer imbedded in a natural concretion, and not encased in 100 million year old rock. This has been proven. Interesting how the owner of the artifact has withdrawn his claim and refuses to let anyone reputable to examine it.

The metal spheres are indeed interesting, but more study needs to be done before any extraordinary claims can be made about them. To go from an odd sphere, to a highly advanced society equal to todays that then destroyed itself, is a HUGH leap of thought, with little data to support any credibility.

To be sure, in the history of man, societies have fallen and lost knowledge has had to be rediscovered, or reinvented. There are several other methodologies that could result in these spheres and Occams Razor should be used prior to making any claims about super advanced ancient civilizations.

I'd like to add, Where are these miracle spheres today? Why has no modern scientific study bene done on them? Could they be much like the spark plug found encased in a modern concretion, that was clamed to be a million year old artifact? I don't have the awnsers, and there is almost no data on these spheres. We can speculate all we want but for a lack of data, that is all it is... speculation. Bring them into the light of day, and then lets talk facts.

[edit on 29/7/07 by Terapin]



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