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Originally posted by ledbedder20
This is great! But a ruling form a higher court would really help the cause.
Originally posted by shots
however no matter what people do there is no way out of taxation by the government in one form or another as much as we all hate it. All they will do is start new tax and give it a new name, which means they still get the money the want and in some cases need.
Originally posted by Crakeur
but that would also mean my fees would be fixed and all your salaries and other fees would be fixed and that would/could destroy commerce as we know it.
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
All Cryer got was a "Stay Out Of Jail" card from the jury because he convinced the jury he actually believes his BS. The verdict has nothing to do with the evidence presented, per se.
He still has to pay.
He will lose his civil trial.
If he tries this again he goes to prison.
Settle down everyone.
Originally posted by twitchy
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The more this becomes public knowlege, the greater the perceived threat is to the establishment, and the establishment is hardly above violence and subversion to perpetuate their own power. It seems to me that any time in western history that a people has figured out and resisted what was really going on with the whole concept of finance, it has gotten ugly for them.
Originally posted by twitchy
One thing that gives me the willies about all this is the fact that once people start figuring out the income tax scam, they might start figuring out other stuff as well like the federal reserve system. Yes of course this knowlege is a good thing, but it seems like it would be similar to trying to jerk a honey jar out of a bears paws. That's one big fat old grouchy bear that isn't going to like it.
Originally posted by TheBorg
Originally posted by mecheng
Originally posted by SonicInfinity
I don't believe that's possible. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we prevented from suing the IRS, since they're not considered an entity? For example, one cannot sue the Congress because they are not an entity in the same regards that a naturalized citizen is.
I hope this is correct, as it's been several years since I had this conversation in a Constitutional class.
TheBorg
I was under the understanding that the IRS is not a government agency but a corporation based out of Puerto Rico? did I dream that?
I knew I had seen that somewhere, here is the link:
www.supremelaw.org...
edited to add link.
[edit on 27-7-2007 by darkheartrising]
Originally posted by ledbedder20
I agree that maybe we would be better off if America wasn't as rich, but as someone stated in an earlier post, it's ognna be pretty hard to get those in power to give it up.
Originally posted by Thunder15
The bottom line is that if you thought the response was bad and unacceptable for New Orleans when Katrina hit, imagine what it would have been like if nobody was paying their taxes. Our taxes fund alot of programs, non-regulatory or not, and without them our Federal Gov't couldn't operate.
Originally posted by angryamerican
So think about this. If you don't pay taxes don't use the public services. its simple and basic. Taxes fund our Right to pursue happiness. Delude your self if you like but the facts are the facts.
Originally posted by ledbedder20
BUT, if income tax was abolished, our government, structured the way it is currently, would collapse.
Originally posted by TheBorgI don't believe that's possible. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we prevented from suing the IRS, since they're not considered an entity?
The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury.
When all the evidence is examined objectively, IRS appears to be a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq. (“RICO”).
After much diligent research, several investigators have concluded that there is no known Act of Congress, nor any Executive Order, giving IRS lawful jurisdiction to operate within any of the 50 States of the Union.
Originally posted by angryamerican
The but is if I do that then can I cant bitch when a foreign nation sets there sights on taking over? and the army doesnt lift a finger because there is'nt and army.
I Cant bitch when my house is burning down and the firemen don't come.
Taxes fund our Right to pursue happiness. Delude your self if you like but the facts are the facts.
Originally posted by mecheng
Originally posted by ledbedder20
You should all read this... 31 Questions and Answers about the IRS
Uh..yeah...I put that link in my post above....thanks for reading it.
Originally posted by darkheartrisingUh..yeah...I put that link in my post above....thanks for reading it.
Originally posted by tyranny22
I think many people here are misunderstanding what this is about.
It's not about NOT paying taxes. It's about not paying a Federal Income Tax.
There was never meant to be a Federal Income Tax. It's something that was enacted nearly a century ago. Our government functioned fine without a Federal Income tax long before it was exacted and it'll functioned fine after it is gone.
I don't think anyone here is "bitching" about paying State and Local Taxes. State and Local taxes is what makes our country run. The Federal Income Tax makes up the majority of our Military spending. Don't get me wrong, I think we should have a separate tax for Defense. But I, for one, do not enjoy paying for our government to sponsor Invasion and Occupation campaigns overseas or rouge regimes that topple democratic governments in third world countries.
That's where your Federal Income Tax is going and that's what this OP is about.