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CARET/Drones Debunked? – A “viral” fantasy

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 04:33 PM
Nice gumshoeing, Sys! The video could be some early inspiration indeed.

Also, following some links on the paranormal site, a reference was made (again) to the potential of Microsoft's Halo game as either viral or piggy-back on the CARET puzzle. Interesting was this link to the CARET education site. Note the source of funding for this CARET:

CARET is a project of the International Society for Technology in Education in partnership with Educational Support Systems. CARET was founded in 2000 with a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Bill Gates? I know he's been quite philanthropic of late (well, if you "earned" several million dollars each and every minute, 24/7, you might be too!) - but someone convince me this is purely a coincidental acronym.

As for the HS/terrorist angle: I must admit after thinking it over and re-reading the post, the hairs on my neck were still tingling a bit. I prefer to think there is no connection to this, but that may be just my fight-or-flight subconscious talking inside my head. I mean, sure, it's possible to communicate incognito in this way, but I would have to believe there are easier ways to pass messages among your operatives. Besides, I don't relish the scrutiny of some potentate following a subscription to this theory. 'nuff said.

BTW- Doc - I agree with you. We ARE probably adding to and embellishing the meme by belaboring the idea here. But how else are we to take advantage of each other's intellect? This forum is the one and only way by which we might exchange ideas, conjecture, mentation.

Until we evolve to communicate telepathically over great distances (if ever), ATS is the next best thing to sharing our brainpower with each other...

Thus, we persevere...

posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 04:52 PM
Thank you Outrageo..You make me feel I did a rabid tour de force while I am still lathering and foaming at the mouth . Every time I look in the mirror I am so impressed with the twinkle of ignorance that has become a legendary part of my repertoire. I say to myself must be the one..

Thank you all for your kind words and invaluable input..
You have all gotten me this Schuyler and Kaminski..Yuefo
take those syringes you have in your hands..and put me to sleep.. can sing Amazing Grace....there thats better..

:Cyas Soon
I am going to dinner.
Aug 18 was supposed to..supposed to...they didnt say..I assume end.
Went roller skating with my Grand..had a great time..I hope I get a bunch more of Aug 18's

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posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 05:48 PM
Saw a link about this on the C2C website under the news section...

LA Times article about the Haiti/D.R. UFO

From page 2:

arzolff814? Why, he was the person who had posted the No. 1 Haiti video!

Barzolff, Sam said, wished to remain anonymous, but he was prepared to share the full story of the videos. I agreed not to reveal his real name. Then I was all ears as Sam began parroting into the phone the words I could hear Barzolff saying in the background.

The 35-year-old Barzolff is a professional animator who attended one of the most prestigious art schools in France and has a decade of experience with computer graphics and commercial animation.

It took Barzolff a total of 17 hours to make both the Haiti and Dominican Republic videos. He did it all by himself using a MacBook Pro and a suite of commercially available 3-D animation programs, including Vue 6. The videos are 100% computer-generated.

The videos, he said, were intended as research for a feature film project he's been working on with Partizan, the France-based production company responsible for, among others, Michel Gondry's "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind."

When contacted to verify the story, "Eternal Sunshine" producer Georges Bermann said it was all true, and that Barzolff was "an absolute genius" who could "make anything look entirely real."

To prove that he was truly behind the videos, Barzolff agreed to provide the L.A. Times with a new spacecraft video. Called "Proof," the video depicts a small version of one of the spacecraft floating above a Paris street. As the camera pans over, the viewer sees two elderly women at a cafe, one of whom is holding a remote control device. Humorously, of course, this video makes use of computer graphics as well.

The movie Barzolff is working on for the big screen is about two guys who create a UFO hoax so realistic that it spirals out of their control. "For better or worse," said Barzolff, who cited being "overwhelmed" by the response to his video as one of the reasons he didn't want to go public with his name.

Barzolff stressed the videos were not intended as a viral marketing ploy. His movie is still in the idea phase, and he created the hoax strictly as a "sociological experiment" -- in other words, just to see what would happen.

What happened far exceeded his expectations.

There is discussion in as to the Haiti UFO Thread about who Barzolff is really, but I think that defeates the purpose. Barzolff is writing a movie about a hoax ufo story gony viral.... Wow, sounds like the Drone/Caret/Haiti craft stories all mixed into one. The article actually quotes a user on page 1, and even implies that LATimes has been keeping tabs on ATS for a while.

So what does this say about the 'meme'?

It is doubtful that we will ever receive any more Drone/Caret carrots unless it is we see some 'intellectual property' being marketed that is the long awaited viral campaign. The Haiti video steps up the bar from still images to motion pictures, but still plays the old 'War of the Worlds' plotline. Barzolff has out hyped Issac, so unless Issac can out hype Barzolff, I think the great C2C drone/Issac Caret Earthfiles case is closed.

I now think that perhaps we will see a few movies come out in the next few years regarding Viral Hoaxes gone wrong. Maybe we will see a copyright battle regarding the 'memes' and who created what. Maybe Issac will come out of hiding to try to get a slice of a Blockbuster Sci Fi film? Then again maybe Barzolff is Issac/Chad/Raj, and has been slowly nuturing the hype, and redirecting it to the crescendo where he comes out to the LATimes....

Panic in the streets and internet buzz, ufo cointelpro or merry hoaxsters.
Doesn't really matter in the end, as long as ignorance is denied.


posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 06:23 PM
Wouldn't that be ironic? Here Isaac & Co. have crafted this lengthy droino hoaxarama complete with multiple hidden witnesses, pics plus docs, alphabet soup and pipeline parts, all waiting for the final moment or perhaps more teasers, then up pops this French uostart who in 17 hours out droinos them all and runs away with the prize. It would be like working on an invention for twenty years, filing a patent and discovering someone files the exact same thing twenty minutes before you got there.

The horror and disappointment! And I don't mind saying the same. It has been a summer of unproductivity, I think, and for me, anyway, the wheels are still turning in the same place. This place is strangely addictive, something which likely brings smiles to the amigos, I'm sure. I have been between projects: one book done to the publishers, we hope, and not another one started. If they accept I'll have revisions, of course. But I'm feeling the need to do something that contributes more to the bottom line--mine, not theirs. Though posting is practice and there's nothing wrong with that.

Just mulling it over. I kinda like the Sith Lord and his international partners in crime. On the other hand, it might be time to leave the theatre. The popcorn is getting kind of stale.

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posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 06:51 PM
Mssrs Doc Moreu Schuyler
Mon Freres,
That is a great read..and quite germane to everything behind and ahead of us, that alone should strike fear in the hearts of many a good men in these forums.. I can hear the gnashing of teeth from the congregation of true believers already. Once snickering at truth, the sniveling cowards whine and tremble in the shadows. Where are they now! they had lined up like lemmings eager to jump over a precipice for their new god. And where is their machine God.? .somewhere on dvd , in a drawer..waiting to be resurrected like a Lazarus....unfortunately..his three days have long been up...and the believers are lost somewhere in the desert..looking for a new Golden Calf to worship.

The light shone forth but the darkness comprehendeth it not and fled..


Ps. Doc I posted your clip as best I could at the main caret thread and I told them courtesy of You..its amazing sometimes the left hand just doesn't know what the....

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posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 08:53 PM
Indeed, it has been a summer of wheels turning. I guess the drone viral meme saga was the vacation that I could not take due to high gas prices and a saturated market for freelance designers.

Too bad it feels like a trip to a tropical isle, but it rained the whole time....

Salutations to those who have been even keeled throughout the whole affair.


P.S. The next question, will the onslaught of hoaxes continue, or will they cease now that one cat is out of the bag? Someone will have to out hype these hoaxsters, right? WHat next, CGI Bigfoot videos? Sea Monsters? Ghosts?

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 09:35 PM

...about two guys who create a UFO hoax so realistic that it spirals out of their control. "For better or worse," said Barzolff, who cited being "overwhelmed" by the response...

And thus spake Barzloff. Well, isn't that a little fine hot spittle in the eye? My friends, as I've suggested and others as well: we are writing (or at least contributing toward) the screenplay of the decade. Gratis to boot.

Some keenly observant entrepreneurial vagabond is not about to watch thousands of postings of spectrum-wide testimony go by the wayside with a yield unrealized and unclaimed. Whether the perpetrator is in cahoots or a newcomer with a flash-in-the-pants enterprising mentality and merely an opportunist, the capitalistic bourgeois materialism is irresistible and oh, so tempting. Someone is going to make a buck with this, come Hell or knee-high water. Maybe our man Barzie is it...

And what about us, Barz? Are we the Eternal Sunshine or the Spotless Mind?

I love this self-contradiction:

Barzolff stressed the videos were not intended as a viral marketing ploy ... he created the hoax strictly as a "sociological experiment" -- in other words, just to see what would happen.

What happened far exceeded his expectations.

"...were NOT intended as viral marketing"??!?!? Muhuhuhahahahaaa

Translation: "Please don't think of my "sociological experiment" as viral marketing - but viral marketing is exactly what it was and what had happened - and it far exceeded my most wild expectations. And man oh man, am I gonna rake in some serious nickel because of it! Thank You ATS! You guys are doing all the work for me!"

Thanks Doc, Sys, Schuyler, Vic - you guys are all on top of your "A" game...

posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 04:58 AM
What is evident to answer Doc's question is yes that low level hoaxters have access to high grade technology. People have virtual publishing and sound and graphics programs.the temptation among teens is a group putting a volkswagon beetle on the side walk. you tubes contributers are for the most part very young people, as in myspace, where they can paint whatever picture of themselves the tech limits will allow.
Older individuals motives may be a bit more sinister, to exploit a particular audience, that one out of 1000 believer that will buy in, or just simply forge someting to promote his/her side or the fabrication of evidence.all groups have that potential.

The possibilities are endless.
Corporations need the services of virals to spark interest for their product like the meme of Volvos running 10 years while everyone elses has broken down. The same studio like Partizan may do a short film and post it to bring attention to the plight of the homeless in Japan., and another crew levis, playstations and xboxes.
Partizan website one of dozens, but the recognized best at all I recommend read thoroughly as they do great things..Also do a google Partizan virals and you see how many areas of our life they touch.

Tv is dying as are newspapers. Radio has survived because it has some level of audience feedback built in ..That leaves the internet..that sociological response was important to any person gauging how much strong a market we are for an infinite variety of products.

Yes it will continue to rain ceiling fans, bigfoots, and sofas that swallow your people..

Ths bridge between fiction and reality is buckling .but fortunately we were able to cross it safely back this time, so we prepare for the next and listen carefully as well to that little voice within us. If its too good to be true...

Oh Grandmama I miss you..You were so wise.


posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 12:01 PM
I feel that the drone saga is over for me, but I do believe my worst case scenario is about to be realized.

On the recent thread Anyone seen this pentagon strike video? the OP provides a link to a youtube video showing a missle hit the pentagon. The replies debunk the video as a hoax, but one poster, Nola213, hits something square on the head:

Originally posted by Nola213
(edited for size)...But yea, that video --to me-- at least seems obviously fake. Good thing too, because if someone with some real experience took a go at fakeing some 9/11 stuff they could really swing alot of people's beliefs on what really happened.

This unfortunately would hurt the movement terribly, because we are after the TRUTH, afterall.....NO matter where it leads us. At least I would hope so (I shouldn't speak for other people, but i think we can all agree with that, at least I hope so.)

[edit on 27-8-2007 by Nola213]

After reading that post, and watching the hoax video myself, I had a very strange chill run down my spine.

What if the Drone meme was to prepare "us" (specifically us and those like ourselves) in the event that with the ease of technology, of course unscrupulous types will try to make fake 9-11 videos. But what if that is not the whole story.

Lets say the events of 9-11 happened today. In the short 6 years since, celluar telephones with cameras have exploded on the market in order for the companies involved to have new customers to replace a telephone that already works fine for most users. Access to video editing and 3-d cgi modelling technologies are more available than ever before. So now you have a far greater percentage of 'journalists' and less passive witnessing. Of the percentage of those 'journalists' a certain amount may have access to the 3-d cgi stuff to facilitate a hoax. The ability to create a hoax has improved, as have the abilities to thwart them.

I have spoken in the past of my discussions via U2U with members of the military skunk works boards here at ATS, and presented some of their beliefs here, that the Caret documents look like they were made by someone who knew what documents like that should look like. But we must remember that C2C is the source of all the original documentation, LMH/Earthfiles has just been acting in the role of hatchet journalist. The Haiti Hoax is someone capitalizing on the sensational sheeple nature of a viral meme.

So is it not possible that C2C, or agents of ATS might have fascilitated the initial hoax of the Chadsquito in order to prepare us for future events they forsaw because of knowledge that they cannot release out and out?

I am not sure exactly what I am alluding to, except that perhaps we have been looking too hard to disprove certain things, and find their origin, when maybe those things (drones or whatever) are actually the 'proof' of something more sinister and reconciled to the shadows.

There is nothing in life I hate worse than being led somewhere I don't know, or feeling like I have been taken advantage of. That is how this whole thing has made me feel with all the twists and turns and doubling back upon itself.

Up until now that is, after looking at the whole thing from a different perspective, imagine if certain agents for "Truth" had the forethought to actively engage the hive mind of the internet in order to prepare us for the onslaught of hoax after hoax. Or for the same cgi types debunking the drone photos taking a crack at the supposed noseout videos on 9-11. I personally don't even really go to the 911 threads because of the overall sniping that goes on. The only thing similar I have found here are the mini battles waged in the drone threads. But imagine if the right 'teams' of ATS members pro and con really took a look at what is presented to the public as real video documentation.

I am currently doing research for a thread involving the history of photographic trickery, I will keep you all posted.


PS... Check out my slightly older thread Mark Echo did it... So did Dick Cheney. to see a youtube viral hoax that some of you all might remember involving spraying graffiti on AirForceOne. All it needed was some money to pay someone to paint up a plane to look like Air Force One, and some creative editing, and the balls to put it out there... No CGI.

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 02:29 PM
Doc, you are so on point..On the apollo 20 moon hoax thing I found a loose affiliation with a military vendor and neuro cognitive psych specialist..On the Titor hoax..another one with cognitive psyc and AI, with Darpa funding ,on the haiti ufo..the movie compay partizan is spread out all over the place..with crews that will work for the highest them an all in one package for the right price..research,viral,film, and distribution. That includes the gov. On caret..that Keith edwards fella, slipperry eel he was..but worked at Parc and Georgia tec. again group and individual behaviour computer adaptive studies .heavily Darpa funded....whats the odds that happening 4 of 4 all having people like that in the wings all in the same fields
We are being softened for something.. But where are we going to run. Its not just shaping behaviour they are looking at..its how intelligent people think and who the intelligent people are..and where to find them. They can turn an innocent person or group into public enemy 1, and if they don't have their own studio they are screwed.

I enjoyed watching an old movie with Al Puccino called Sim0ne..about a digitally created believable that when the movie director went to dump evidence of his hoax..he was charged with murder because the never found her body..his worst acting..but the storyline was good..and just about where we are at now. They actually have computer generated story feed being used, literally doing a few people out of work, I wonder what the actors guild will do..once the digital actors are perfected..without need of dubbing..all AI, why we may be even substitute a few government leaders that..most people don't see them out in the open anyway...whats incredible..even the middle class working stiff will have this manufacture a hoax..that can trigger a war..or mass panic...Confucious was right..these indeed are interesting times. Perhaps we need a new warning label : This movie may be hazardous to your mind.
I will go check out your threads..thanx


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posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 01:18 PM
Hi guys and dolls ..One of our very resourceful members Klatuberrataniktu posted this and I thought it was intriguing its the dreamtime village..please visit . one photo in particular pay attention if you can blow it up..on the one that looks like a soviet building, I swear it looks like all of isaacs pieces are there even on the ground ..and also read Dr Evermores hypermedia ..and tell me whether or not the hand fits the glove..remember always.".if it don't fit you must acquit"

Hope to hear soon I miss y'as

posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 01:40 PM
Hi Sys - thanks for the photo link...

I'll admit some of the junk this 'artist' has used to assemble his creations look similar to some of the Isaac components. Not sure which photo you were specifically referring to (soviet building), but a few of the assemblages had some interesting "parts". I couldn't find a real close match though, at least not one that was conspicuously an Isaac/drone near-enough equivalent; though I may have missed it (some of those pics have A LOT of junk (er, I mean atristic components) on, in, and around the 'main event'.

In any case, still following closely anything that comes up (not much new of late), and we thank you for posting and keeping us alert.

p.s. Isaac - where are you?

[edit on 9/4/2007 by Outrageo]

posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 01:45 PM
Hi Outrageo!!!
Its the photo with the Russian spiral tower looking architecture..You have to blow it up..perhaps i can get a link where they did..

I will be back


posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 01:57 PM
This is a link with a blowup of the pic In question
scroll down thru will not miss it..larger blowup

look at the tower top..look at fan assemblies and note circular pieces on ground..

This at least serves as several sources of inspiration as opposed to unique technology..its really retro..

The reason for silence may very well be is that caret is just an expression of art , like a crop one has claimed any of the recent elaborate ones and I came across an article , that did discuss the internet as one huge canvass..On another hoax I am working on one of my suspects (only one too) is an industrial artist..

but that hypermedia part of the site..really is thought provoking..


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posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 02:02 PM
You mean the photo titled "DSCN0511"? (your link, above, is broken)

Yeah - I see what you mean. Though, I must beg off on a real close match, in my eyes at least. The artist seems to relish the same affinity for symmetry and curvature, that's for sure. Maybe they're related?

Yup - the "meme-ness" of our perpetrators is expounded by their absence, and compounded weekly, of course...

Thanks... keep up the good work!

posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Outrageo
You mean the photo titled "DSCN0511"? (your link, above, is broken)

It's being blocked by ats with a "#" replacing the link. I've seen this happen before. perhaps they have some rule on what sites can be linked, and some on a punch list which cannot. If you go to the first link and click on the picture, it will zoom in nicely. Yup, looks droinish. It's called the "Forevertron"

[edit on 9/4/2007 by schuyler]

posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 02:30 PM
Yup. I saw it (and zoomed in to view detail of all the other pics on the site as well - was just informing Sys his link wasn't navigable).

Still, the similarities in construct, symmetry, etc, though interesting, not obvious enough to establish the needed correlation with Isaac. Possible one inspired the other though. The rusty artworks look like they've been manifested over several years if not decades, however.

Like the pipeline pigs, ceiling fan parts, and other jetsam and flotsam of society, maybe the Isaac/CARET/drones and related bric-a-brac will simply end up as artsy fodder in the not-too-distant future.

Do, Re, MeMe...

posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 02:44 PM
This is a blessing Schuyler And Outrageo! Lightning does strike twice in one place!
So good to see you both, and I just wanted to say what a fabulous person is behind each of your Avatars.. Where is Kaminski and Doc..have they been hitting the old Jim Beam over the weekend?

Yes ..if the owner doesn't show up..we all own this piece of "ArT"


posted on Sep, 4 2007 @ 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Sys_Config
Where is Kaminski and Doc..have they been hitting the old Jim Beam over the weekend?

Kaminski's probably out sailing again. It's been slow. No droinos. Fruit as nutty as ever. Perhaps we should draft an official letter to LMH asking for some more action.

posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 10:19 PM
Greetz again, I hope Kaminsky returns with some interesting stuff he was working on. In the meantime..the full spectrum information control and disinfo vectoring operations continue as planned. Yes, I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus!


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