The Coming Nazification Of America

they started out as a "Worker" party. Now this is interesting in that in historical context, this would also be related to a Democratic system. (Not the Democratic party which has historical ties to unions in the USA) The Nazis had very strong labor ties until Hitler banned labor unions

You know, that was one of the peculiarities of Hitler. It seems, at least to me, that everything he, himself was, he hated. It was almost like he had an embedded self-hatred. I have heard that he was part Jew, but I don't know how true that is... I have never seen anything verifiable in regards to that..

Thanks for clarifying that for me SpeakerofTruth. I feel like an idiot

Being that guns and people that love them are so many in the U.S, don't you think it will be alot harder for a Nazi type of political structure to take root ? I mean we could be talking about a civil war instead of a few insurgents. I hope we can agree that the U.S has far more guns in the hands of the public then what Nazi Germany had.

I agree that we are on "that" road. But there are millions of gun owners and grassroot militia type people that would hear the call to arms and wouldn't let there freedoms go so easily. Yes eventually after millions of Americans lay dead (most likely because of internal conflict) will the people surrender to their new dictator.

The first thing Hitler did when he took over in Germany was ban the private ownership of guns. I think Americans owning guns will go a long way to preventing either extremist side from taking the country too far of course. It will at least give the citizens some impact on how things play out.

What I am watching for is which side tries to take away our 2nd ammendment rights first.

Interesting, although yesterday on the Michael Savage show, he almost stated what you just posted word for word, the part about losing the wars was spot on. Some credit may be in order.

The government can think what it wants in accordance to its citizens. You wont see americans giving back guns to anyone. They can push and push but eventually people will see that something has to change. People often choose extremes to find balance within. I would bet the farm that most individuals in our great nation have a limit. How far can they be pushed? If you believe in a new era is coming or escaping our old school stance nationally, then I would just get ready for your wet ride down the slide of disapointment.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
As a side note to all of this, everyone here is quite aware of the rumors about a NAU being formed. Well, all of this actually fits quite nicely with what I have just said.

IF there is really an effort to form an NAU, America could be strategically divided much like Germany was and like Russia was in the 1980s... Now, with that being said, you are talking about many,many newly formed nations placing their hands in the world situation at that point. It doesn't paint a very pretty picture.

Wait, how in the hell does forming a North American Union form more countries? Exactly what kind of logic are you using?

Also who do you personally think the "scape goat" is going to be for us? Muslims? The Muslim population is too low here it wouldn't be really that big of a thing.

I can't really see anyone else, Jews are out of the question really. They are too integrated here.

Originally posted by Esoterica
In Iraq we have a similar problem, but it's compounded by the fact that the enemy aren't external, they're internal. You can't even consider the carpetbomb approach, because you'd be destroying exactly what you're trying to protect. But I also don't think things over there are nearly as bad as they're portrayed, and it's nto a hopeless situation from the start as Vietnam was.

But anyway, victory or failure in Vietnam or Iraq is nto as simple as peopel not being willing to see somethign through. See what through?

Back then, you had people in America willing to protest and fight for what they believed in. Nowadays, you have that generation wilting away playing Playstation 3 or listening to death metal on their iPods. Then again, we also have something we didn't have back then -- the internet. It's this generation who is either going to be influenced by corporate America via the internet, or hopefully websites like ATS and informative videos on YouTube. The teenagers today are going to have to make a choice soon, for it is they that will decide the fate of our nation.

Nazism in America? Nah, Fascism in America? Yes. There is a difference.

Though both systems rely on a strengthened state apparatus and repressive rolls of state power, I dont see SS like formations marching through the streets of New York rounding up and executing impurities in the American bloodlines happening anytime soon.

The reason Hitler used the labour movement in Germany as a platform for election is a pretty simple one. The people of Germany were agitating for social reforms, Hitler saw their demands and fed them what they wanted. When he took over state power, he simply cut the spin and did what he and the affluent german community wanted, privatized the whole shebang. He conciously used the Left to support the Right.

Just a quick question for you. From what I've read you seem to think that as a response to "the soon to be socialist government", the government or the people are going to agitate for a fascist resurgence? I think im just reading this all wrong, at least I hope I am.

I need to remind you people that well maybe Fascism might happen but not Nazism.

The primary difference between the two is well Nazism is Fascism with racism/anti-semitism/eugenics added. Now admittedly being a racist is not against Fascism but there is nothing inherently racist about it ether. Fascist Italy had no racial laws in it until Hitler forced them on Mussolini and even then they were poorly enforced. Mussolini even had a positive opinion of Jewish people. In his biography he mentioned they had always been good soldiers to Italy. There were even Jewish Blackshirts (Fascist soldiers).

Also still even Fascism is unrealistic the communist threat is over and the primary reason Fascism happened in Italy under Mussolini, Spain under Franco, Greece under Metaxas, and Chile under Pinochet was fear of Communism.

Basic authoritarianism is more accurate.

I've read quiet a few books on Hitler, Nazi Germany, Pre-Nazi Germany and so on.

This thread could have easily been called : The Continued Nazification Of America

Originally posted by highfreq
Thanks for clarifying that for me SpeakerofTruth.

I feel like an idiot

Being that guns and people that love them are so many in the U.S, don't you think it will be alot harder for a Nazi type of political structure to take root ? I mean we could be talking about a civil war instead of a few insurgents. I hope we can agree that the U.S has far more guns in the hands of the public then what Nazi Germany had.

I agree that we are on "that" road. But there are millions of gun owners and grassroot militia type people that would hear the call to arms and wouldn't let there freedoms go so easily. Yes eventually after millions of Americans lay dead (most likely because of internal conflict) will the people surrender to their new dictator.

Highfreq, that is true. However, there is something that must be understood here. All of these is approached from the angle, at least by me, of Nazism being a response to the socialization of America... So, what one has to realize is that many moderate conservatives and pure conservatives may be drawn to radical ideology.

So, really, considering that it is generally conservatives that our gun owners, there movement to radical ideology would tip any balance that may have existed previously. Also, most militias are of a right wing mindset already, who is not to say they wouldn't agree with the extremists, maybe not in ideology, but from the perspective of gaining back control of the U.S....

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Just a quick question for you. From what I've read you seem to think that as a response to "the soon to be socialist government", the government or the people are going to agitate for a fascist resurgence? I think im just reading this all wrong, at least I hope I am.

Well, naturally not all people will revolt against the socialist form of government we are headed towards. However, Socialism is something, at least in my opinion, that doesn't work and never will. Yet,particularly the youth of this country, seem to be hell bent to develop such a system in this country... And they will... They just need to realize that when they do, and the system hits rock bottom, as it will, there will be consequences for them ever developing such a system here in the United States.



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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, naturally not all people will revolt against the socialist form of government we are headed towards.

I gotcha now, sorry i just wasnt to clear on this issue.

However, Socialism is something, at least in my opinion, that doesn't work and never will.

Tell that to the netherlands, and the former Yugoslavia. History is ripe with examples of successful socialism. And generally when it decays, its because of embargo's, subterfuge, attacks, sactions, and foreign capital penetration. Its not that socialism cant work, its that the upper echelons dont want it too work.

IMO, fascism may very well hit the US and it may be a reaction to socialist agitation, but as with Italy or Germany, those arguing for fascist control will be at the heads of business, banks, and the high level land owners, not the population.

InSpiteof, well, I am talking more from the perspective of the after effects of Socialism... While socialism may be good and well for people in the Netherlands and Yugoslavia, for Americans, I don't think it will ever wash.

Americans are used to owning massive quantities of things...You take that ownership away from them, there are going to be problems. For better or worse, Americans are very materialistic... I personally think it is very unfortunate really, but it's a fact.



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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
InSpiteof, well, I am talking more from the perspective of the after effects of Socialism.

I see, well IMO there has to come a point in life where matrialism just wont cut it. Its great that people can own 2 cars and 4 TV's, but when their neighbours are starving and barely scrapping by, somethings got to give.

Besides, there's no reason you cant connect socialism and democracy. The people in (the former) Yugoslavia and the people in the netherlands dont just own the clothes on their backs, they have luxury items aswell. The only differance is, one system puts the emphasis on teh betterment of society and its people as a whole, and the other puts the emphasis on grab what you can regardless of the cost.


but im off topic. Personally i think if Fascism is take the US by storm, i think it would happen well before any social revolution. I think socialism would be the response to such fascism, not the other way around.

Originaly posted by SpeakerofTruth
So, really, considering that it is generally conservatives that our gun owners, there movement to radical ideology would tip any balance that may have existed previously. Also, most militias are of a right wing mindset already, who is not to say they wouldn't agree with the extremists, maybe not in ideology, but from the perspective of gaining back control of the U.S....

Sure, I agree with that. The N.R.A is one of the biggest right leanning organizations in the country. So basically I understand , that the Government would need to find away to demonize someone/something ect... to the point that they would win over the populace , including the gun waving militias.? If that were the case, I suppose the the Govt could use the militias and such to there advantage. I guess it's not like it hasn't happened before
FBI/MOB CIA/Contras?

Well, I think this is still America, but it is crazy America. Some people are living in the Past -- thus the real reason for the NAU is because some people went to Canada during Vietnam, while some others lately nowadays have moved to Mexico. It goes like this:

Democrats are you going to clean up your mess in this Country?
The answer usually probably given is - what mess - people are free and we have police - usually some like others like lawyers and doctors are more political also on the job - which they claim can be done - while others state that it is discrimination that is too crazy.

The Republicans state that they go to Church then sit on their rear-ends while preaching how foreign Countries may do this or do that and that the USA needs the money to defend its self - while usually probably designing unneeded weapon systems stating that it will lead to not a N - War, while it may still. (I mean a scientist stated lately – liquid metal robots?)

Both sides do not really listen, and both sides are to me guilty of providing only Adverse discrimination to the mix while both sides declare that the other side is wrong and has been wrong while in the News we all get to read about it.
But again, these Adverse Conditions when it starts affecting the food supply is nothing more then Spite and Revenge out of either Political Party and it is -- Stupid.

This really has been going on for the whatever last 40 years and all of it is because both political parties think the USA people are stupid instead of their Church being Stupid or that some people make mistakes and think Religion is in the Person as Individual.

Their insanity does not have to affect you as a person even though it probably will not do you any good, because there are many others who state their opinions also.

www.fas.org...

www.cdc.gov...

Botulism

Clostridium botulinum

www.cdc.gov...

It now seems that one category is not reported on out of either political party:

"The Spooks of the Nazis!" and perhaps that should be "The Spooks of the Fascists!"

And young girls and boys like some of yous do not want to be like they were or some other people still may be.

It does no good to have a Country where the Leaders think everybody else should be the Leaders while not getting paid for any of it except to continue this kind of insanity in this World while affecting other foreign Countries because all of the time -- it is them or it is some others doing this.

Well, FE, FI, FO, FUM!







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A Pizza place doesn't have the jurisdiction to charge you for something they have nothing to do with. Just because someone is tapped into the system, if their line of business has nothing to do with certain info , they just won't be able to look for it.

I think people are over reacting about all this stuff.

I agree S.O.T.that this country is headed for a fall.I fear it will start econmically.The blame will be pointed at left and right wing advocates.Like Lincoln said"A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND".This in fact WOULD perfectly set up the same conditions here as in pre WWII germany making a desperate people eager for any monster promising them an end to their misery.God help us.

I have been reading a lot of threads lately, and haven't had much reason to reply recently, but I had to jump in on this one. I want you all to read a quote from a famous Nazi military leader, Hermann Göring:

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Think about it..