The Coming Nazification Of America

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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 01:41 PM
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Anyone who is familiar with history realizes that there is a reason why Nazism came to power in Germany. Much of it was dues to the economic and moral condition of the average German after WWII.

The Treaty of Versailles did much harm to the Germany and its economy.

The Treaty of Versailles blamed Germany for the First World War. As a result of this Germany was also held accountable for the cost of the war and the Treaty dictated that compensation would have to be paid to the Allies. These payments, called reparations, would be paid monthly and would total some £6,600 million (This figure was agreed by the Allies in 1921). It is important not to take this figure in isolation though. remember that the economic might of Germany had been stretched to the limits during the war, and she would have to reconstruct her own economy at the same time as paying Reparations. In addition, Germany had lost some of her most precious sources of Raw materials as her colonies, and some of the areas ceded to other countries, were rich sources of income. These factors would make it harder for the German economy to cope. Further to this it is important to note the casualties suffered during the war. Germany lost some 1.7 million men during the war, and a further 4.2 million are listed as being wounded.
The Political Impact of the Treaty

The Treaty triggered a number of political reactions. Firstly the government of the day resigned, having refused to sign it. The incoming government had no choice but to sign the Treaty but was accused by some, General Ludendorff for example, of stabbing the Germany people in the back. This Theory grew in popularity as the economy suffered and many, former soldiers in particular, believed that the politicians had lost the war rather than the army. (For some it was hard to accept that they could have lost the war whilst troops were still stationed in France, having not lost the ground that they had taken in 1914.) This, amongst other things, led to a growth in the number of people who distrusted the Weimar Republic and were unwilling to support it. This manifests itself in uprisings such as the Kapp Putsch and the Munich Putsch, though there are other factors which led to these uprisings.

The Treaty also called for the trial of the former Kaiser. This never happened as the Dutch government refused to hand him over, but this effectively stopped any chance of a restoration of the monarchy in Germany. In Western Europe the Treaty signaled the beginning of a period of isolation for Germany. She became an outcast in international politics and was feared and distrusted by the Allies. This had a significant impact on the role that Germany would, and potentially could, play in European and World affairs in the early post war climate. However, whilst it is evident that Germany became politically isolated in the West, some historians would point out that their isolation has been exaggerated by Westerners. The Treaty of Rapello for example shows that there was scope for Germany to develop relations in the east, in this case with the Soviet Union, and, they would point out, the newly formed nations were in need of economic partners - with Germany being a likely dominant partner in that sphere.
Selected Links on the Treaty of Versailles

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If one takes a good look at the current direction of America, one will see that America is setting itself up for a renewed extreme rightist movement in this country.. What did the Nazis do? Well, they certainly found someone to blame for the hardship of the German people, the Jews, and it found its firebrand leader to pull the country out of the doldrums, Adolph Hitler.

Now, look at the present situation in America. America lost Vietnam, and it's going to lose Iraq because it does not have the testicular fortitude to see anything through. Will this have an effect on the future of America, certainly.

The socialists in this country, I am not going to call them liberals because that's not what we have n this country anymore, are going to get their way. When they do, and the plan isn't exactly peaches and cream like they promise, watch what happens.

There will be an extreme right political group that will come to the forefront with their firebrand, a Hitler type figure, who will dominate the political scene.
They will make it, much like the Nazis did, so that you won't even be able to obtain a job without being a card carrying member of the political party.

You mark my words, it's coming,America... We've made our own bed and we will be made to lay upon it... I weep for the future of this country..




posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 01:49 PM
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Here is an example of what happened to Germany






Now, I have heard people remark that the Texas territory should be given back to Mexico.... Do you even know how much of America the Texas territory constitutes?

Parts of Colorado,Kansas, Oklahoma...Arkansas... Here is a map




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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 02:27 PM
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As a side note to all of this, everyone here is quite aware of the rumors about a NAU being formed. Well, all of this actually fits quite nicely with what I have just said.

IF there is really an effort to form an NAU, America could be strategically divided much like Germany was and like Russia was in the 1980s... Now, with that being said, you are talking about many,many newly formed nations placing their hands in the world situation at that point. It doesn't paint a very pretty picture.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 02:48 PM
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I have been saying this for quite a while now and it has been pushed off just as fast as I could push it on. People choose to not accept this, but when it starts to happen then what? I too feel sorry for those who cannot make their minds up for themselves, and rely on others to make it for them.

What times we are in....



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by parry noid
I have been saying this for quite a while now and it has been pushed off just as fast as I could push it on. People choose to not accept this, but when it starts to happen then what? I too feel sorry for those who cannot make their minds up for themselves, and rely on others to make it for them.

What times we are in....


Something you must understand, there are many liberals,socialists really, on this board... If they find a thread that some how points towards socialist or liberal complicity, they have nothing to say. Hell, this thread is more about extreme rightism than about socialism, yet, because I stated that because of socialism, Nazism would rise here in the U.S, no one has anything to say.

That is typical... They have no way of denying it, so they choose to not respond at all. I find it rather humorous, yet, really, really sad.




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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Now, look at the present situation in America. America lost Vietnam, and it's going to lose Iraq because it does not have the testicular fortitude to see anything through. Will this have an effect on the future of America, certainly.

No, America lost Vietnam because you can't win a war without objectives. "Kill the enemy" is not an objective, it's a means to reaching an objective. And you can't just carpetbomb and kill the North Vietnamese, because it was an ideological war (in our eyes) or the West vs. Communism. Kinda hard to prove that your way is "right" and "moral" when you're killing civilians.

In Iraq we have a similar problem, but it's compounded by the fact that the enemy aren't external, they're internal. You can't even consider the carpetbomb approach, because you'd be destroying exactly what you're trying to protect. But I also don't think things over there are nearly as bad as they're portrayed, and it's nto a hopeless situation from the start as Vietnam was.

But anyway, victory or failure in Vietnam or Iraq is nto as simple as peopel not being willing to see somethign through. See what through?



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Esoterica

In Iraq we have a similar problem, but it's compounded by the fact that the enemy aren't external, they're internal. You can't even consider the carpetbomb approach, because you'd be destroying exactly what you're trying to protect. But I also don't think things over there are nearly as bad as they're portrayed, and it's nto a hopeless situation from the start as Vietnam was.

See what through?


See victory through..
Anyway, the comparison that many demopukes try to make between Iraq and Vietnam are laughable to me. We'd have to be in Iraq another forty years to ever reach the number of casualties we experienced in Vietnam.


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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 03:45 PM
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My question is, who actually wins in the Iraq war? How can America win something, where the only opposition are a people fighting back to preserve their own way of life? Its commonly known the Iraq war isnt on "terrorism" but on oil. "Nazi-ism" has already infiltrated America, and that "Hitler" like figure is none other then the head of state himself. ( Cue the hand sign similarities ) Bush has opened pandoras box, and like the pawns he made us, we followed him in. So yeah, I fear for the future of this country.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 03:51 PM
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Anyway, I don't want the thread to stray away from the topic. The topic is what is going to lead to the Nazification of America. It is something that we all fear, at least I would hope. However, I can see us leading right into that direction.

It started with the moral decline that probably began in the early to mid 1960s... The right in this country tried to tell us then that they didn't like the direction the country was headed. Did anyone listen? Nope.

Then, we had the whole "nuclear family" hit us in the 80s when the powers that be made it to where a family had to have a two incomes just to survive. Of course, this created the whole "latch key" crap, which apparently led to the current situation we have with the youth in this country.

Then, in the 1990s we had the whole "I feel your pain" political correctness crap... This particular movement has made it to where people can't even say what's really on their mind. We all have to walk on proverbial egg shells.

I am telling you, I am willing to bet you anything you want, that 20-30 years down the road when all hell breaks loose in this country, there will be a rightist revolt that has probably never been seen. Revived Nazism is the only thing of which I can compare it to.

Many may think, "Well, all of this is speculation." No. It's based upon what happened in Germany before there was a revolt there... We all know the story. Hitler promises the populaces that he will clean the mess up and make Germany great again.. Well, to make a long story short, he probably did save Germany in some respects and possibly Europe, but not before creating havoc and death.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 04:04 PM
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First, I disagree with this idea.
After WW1, Germany was in a huge depression.
The U.S., as I see it, is nowhere close to this.


Well, they certainly found someone to blame for the hardship of the German people, the Jews


Please review the history of Nazi Germany.

Persecution began long before the Jews were targeted.

I'm not Pro-Nazi.
I'm Pro-Truth.

Regards,
Lex



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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 04:12 PM
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I don't even know where to start....

America will not become the next Nazi Germany. If anything, it will turn more towards Sweden with liberal politics and socialistic give-a-way schemes by the Democrats in power. We will go broke with huge government spending before we have anything like the right wing fascists government you describe.

As far as America losing the Vietnam war, technically we tied. There was a peace treaty. What brought this about, the same democratic crap being pulled today with a congress that wants to micro-manage a war while tying the hands of the military. Been there, done that, seen it, lived it...

Iraq is not a no win solution. we already won the war, now we just have to win the peace. Oddly enough, the same thing happened in Germany after WW2. There was acts of terrorism by former Nazis against the occupiers. These acts were considered a crime against the state and when they were caught, they were given fair trials before they were hung. It took time, but the resistance did die down.

To all the cut cut and run democrats and the "we can't possibly win but I support the troops" gutless citizens; all I ask is what was the pull out strategy for the US military after WW2 in Europe? We are still there +60 years after the fact.

What about the withdraw strategy in regards to Korea? We happen to still be there also after +50 years.

Peace is not won at the conclusion of a war, unless you happen to kill everyone in the occupied territory. Peace takes time. WW2 and Korea has taught us that. Why does the Democrats want to pull out of Iraq and show the world how cowardly they are. I just don't understand it.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 04:14 PM
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Lexion, you have every right to disagree.

Naturally, not everything that is going on in America corresponds with what happened in Nazi Germany. However, if you look at the social affairs and much of the politics that is currently being played out in America, it's not hard to see where a extreme rightist revolt could very well happen, especially if we get some socialist in office, the like of a Hilary Clinton.

When I look at the socio-political map of this country right now, I see a mess. You have Americans that fall under every political title under the sun. You have libs, ultra libs, greens, independent, Republipukes,Demopukes, et cetera....

Part of what happened in Germany is that too many different groups got their hands in the proverbial cookie jar. The same is taking place right here in the U.S..



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by hinky

America will not become the next Nazi Germany. If anything, it will turn more towards Sweden with liberal politics and socialistic give-a-way schemes by the Democrats in power.


Do you honestly think the right is going to sit by idly and watch this happen? I don't. I think at some point in time the right will say, "Enough is enough," and there will be some real trouble in this country.

Whether or not the scenario will play out as I describe, I don't know. I certainly hope not, but I just don't see the right willfully sitting back and watching the wholesale destruction of the country without there being some lash back.

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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 04:43 PM
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After reading a post, I realize that some people don't understand politics and the meanings of the terms. Words have meanings. You just can't mix and match as it makes no sense.

A Nazi is a right wing fascist which is a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

A Liberal advocates or associates with the principles of political liberalism; this is associated with the ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives. But, they also believe that only the government can operate anything better than private industry and the government also has the right to infringe on all areas of the private life of an individual. This sounds like double speak, but in the eyes of a liberal, it makes perfect sense.

A Socialist believes in various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. There is an unequal relationship between people who have property and those who do not.

A Communist has a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.


The Clinton's are Democratic liberals with substantial socialist beliefs. This means high taxes and huge government programs. Not everyone will like this.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 05:22 PM
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I see what your saying SpeakerofTruth.

What exactly do you mean by extreme rightism? Are you reffering to "right wing"? Sorry just not familiar with the term.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by highfreq
I see what your saying SpeakerofTruth.

What exactly do you mean by extreme rightism? Are you reffering to "right wing"? Sorry just not familiar with the term.


Well, yeah... lol

With both the right and left wings, you have extremes. The extremes of the right wing are fascism and Nazism, and the extremes of the left are Marxism and Communism..



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 06:32 PM
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Hinky, apparently you don't understand what I am saying at all. You are making it out like I am trying to equate Socialism with Nazism.. I'm not... However, I do think that Nazism will essentially be the response to the socialistic state that we are moving towards.. By the way, what is ironic is that the NAZIS were supposedly the socialist party in Germany... I never quite understood how they called themselves socialists when Hitler was fervently anti-Communist.

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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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Speakeroftruth, not in the slightest. You seem to have a firm understanding of the proper terms. I find that refreshing.

In the question of the Nazis, they started out as a "Worker" party. Now this is interesting in that in historical context, this would also be related to a Democratic system. (Not the Democratic party which has historical ties to unions in the USA) The Nazis had very strong labor ties until Hitler banned labor unions. Just kind of weird that their leadership developed into elected dictators.

I once made a comment that Pat Buchanan was so far to the right that he could pat Ted Kennedy's back. This was at a Republican fund raiser in the city I live in. Everyone had a chuckle about it.



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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Speakeroftruth, not in the slightest. You seem to have a firm understanding of the proper terms. I find that refreshing.



Oh, I must have misunderstood your post then... LOL
Sorry about that, Hinky.. By the way, thank you for the kind words.

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