New evidence about Crop Circles

Check out my blog today to see a video clip that may just be the best proof yet that crop circles aren't just made by young farmers!

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On Friday's show, the maker of the DVD Gary King will be my guest on the first hour of the programme. Tune in from 9 p.m. UK time Friday at www.glastonburyradio.net...

Ross

No it proves nothing and has and is being debated on another thread.
Your clip shows absolutley NOTHING and provides no further evidence.



AHHHHHH thats the REAL reason for the post? To romote your 'show'


[edit on 25/7/07 by Chorlton]

Well ... considering that this forum, NowTHATSWeird, is DEDICATED to his show and the discussion thereof ... might seem a likely reason, too. no?

That, or perhaps someone stumbled through the wrong door thinking it were the loo.


 

Hmmm, perhaps he/she didn't read the title of the forum?

Actually, whether or not it "proves" or just "adds evidence" it is most interesting that cameras caught no-one moving and saw no evidence of the circle being constructed, it just seemed to appear!

Now THAT'S Weird (open plug for show title! lol)

Ross

No it isnt weird at all.

IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

Well said that person!!!

Anyhow Crop Circles..

Mmm...

The clip vid doesn't say much to me. As for the heightened EMF and radiation readings at these gigs, they could be some residual evidence of their construction...but as we don't know how they are constructed that don't say much either.

Could be the readings are deliberately placed artifacts to give some degree of "fake" authenticity to the circles.

Maybe some would consider me an over skeptic but why are they always occurring at night and witnessed by believers? These things seem to be so prolific, why are not more skeptical minds coming across them? Give me observational footage from a Police/Army/Press helicopter in broad daylight I would become less a skeptic.

It could be that some of these "happenings" are merely constructs to sale a DVD / book (not directed at you Nomad!!!) or maybe it is Zarg from Planet Anthrax leaving a calling card. Perhaps the Earth is crying out for help or maybe some specially trained rabbits are having a laugh

I feel that too many in the para-science field are too gullible. Belief is one thing, but blind acceptance leads us to dodgy decisions...and the ridicule of the para-science field when the hoax is revealed!!!

Well said that person!!!

Anyhow Crop Circles..

Mmm...

The clip vid doesn't say much to me. As for the heightened EMF and radiation readings at these gigs, they could be some residual evidence of their construction...but as we don't know how they are constructed that don't say much either.

Could be the readings are deliberately placed artifacts to give some degree of "fake" authenticity to the circles.

Maybe some would consider me an over skeptic but why are they always occurring at night and witnessed by believers? These things seem to be so prolific, why are not more skeptical minds coming across them? Give me observational footage from a Police/Army/Press helicopter in broad daylight I would become less a skeptic.

It could be that some of these "happenings" are merely constructs to sale a DVD / book (not directed at you Nomad!!!) or maybe it is Zarg from Planet Anthrax leaving a calling card. Perhaps the Earth is crying out for help or maybe some specially trained rabbits are having a laugh

I feel that too many in the para-science field are too gullible. Belief is one thing, but blind acceptance leads us to dodgy decisions...and the ridicule of the para-science field when the hoax is revealed!!!

Chorlton

Even in the "middle of the night" - good night vision cameras would have seen if anyone was in the field cutting out the circle.

It will be interesting to see what the author has to say in the show on Friday and I suggest you send these questions into the show.

I certainly am not believer in that these things are made by "aliens", after all, why fly billions of light years across a galaxy to mow someone's field for them? That said, I have learned to discount nothing as strange things do happen and not everything has a rational and logical explanation.

I tend to go with the Hamish Miller theory that energies BENEATH the Earth's surface may be the cause of some crop circles.

Ross

Sorry about the double post ADSL ain't really tha saviour I thought it was.






An excellent description.....mow someones field...do they prune roses too

The thing is that "night" is less than 5 hours of total darkness in summer time in the south of England; the region where most crop circles appear. Farmer's fields in circle hotspots are already monitored and manned by watchers; they have been for years.

I don't dispute that some crop cirles are made by the plankers, but I do dispute the notion that the entire phenomenon can be explained in this way.

Yes this is true - which is why I though Gary King may be on to something with his new DVD but I reserve judgement until I have spoken to him on tonight's show and watched the DVD.

Ross

Yes fair point. It is not a lot of time for plankers to accomplish their acts. But what is so special about a certain location, at a certain time that ET, Earth forces or Bright Eyes find special enough to mow the lawn (thanks Nomad!!)?

But there again we do not know what technology is being used to fake stuff. Again, to me the fact that most appear at specific UK locations possible means either a special geological physicality or a local based hoax phenomena. I would like to know proportionately, how many of these things occur in the UK from all the worldwide events.

Thing is, all the time people are hoaxing it makes it difficult to sort wheat from the chaff and the usual problem that those watching are biased in their belief and may "load" the evidence...of course the problem here is that non-believers could load things the other way.

Personally, I still do not believe there is much to it....but who knows, I have been wrong before...like I was with my missus

Nice point Nomad.

Thing is, with today's video editing technology I tend to treat all video evidence suspiciously....you only got to look at the Alien and UFO forum to see why.

I really believe that what we should be doing is looking at methods to prove such things...methods other than good old video. I don't have the answers but good science relies on good method and that is the only way to sway sceptics like me....but who cares about sceptics??

Well there's no doubt that many are man-made. There are some quite well-known characters who make them and some of their designs are very elaborate. Somene told me that the "lattice" crop circles are probably all man-made. Like the one at Windmill Hill in 2003. But nobody has suggested a fool-proof method, other than laboratory analysis. The quality of the lay is a good indicator. It's often possible to see the way that the crop has been pushed down and crushed if plankers did it.

Hi Hagbard,

As I see it whoever or whatever is making them we don't know the mechanism of creation. Referring to hoaxers as plankers tends to lead to the assumption of them just stomping on the crop.

As I see it, even if we could examine crops in a lab and say "..This was not stamped on" it doesn't prove none hoaxer creation. We need to know the method and who or what is using that method.

Time will tell if there is 'owt to it...and hopefully I will be about to hear of it.

Yes of course video and photographic evidence can and HAS been faked in the past, but when a whole team of investigators witness something like this, it is difficult to lie on a DVD as at least one is likely to come forward and "spill the beans"!

I think Gary King seems to have integrity and was genuinely surprised by what happened. He was there initially on a UFO watch and openly said in the interview that crop circles weren't "his thing" but he was amazed by what happened that night. Now whilst this isn't proof in itself, it does throw some new possible evidence into the pot.

Ross

For sure, for sure Boss.

If enough reasonably sound findings turn up, then maybe we can formulate a sound method of detection / investigation...One to convert an old sceptic like me.

As I see it the main tool is time. Whatever the truth...time will seek it out!!

I may go to my grave disappointed at not knowing many things. To be honest, I think sometimes things are best unknown.

How many times in life have I aspired to or for something and been disappointed with expectations exceeding the reality.

There is a polarisation of cynics and believers....with a few of us sceptics in between. The two poles of any argument may never accept the reality of the others argument...regardless of evidence. It is almost fanatical in some fields.

Thats why I have a high burden of proof with most things. Humans lie. They get off on hoaxes...I have been a prankster in my time too. I cannot explain the psychology of the hoaxer...even with self-analysis. Why do people do it?

The UFO forum is so full of it, people accepting pictures of birds in flight as alien invasion craft or fleets.....then in comes the pedantics. "Oh well it is still a UFO because we can't tell what kind of bird it is!!"

I am cautious because I know people "Have a laugh!!" If I wanted to destroy or ridicule any of this para stuff, I would have thought the process would be to create a believable hoax, let all the believers fall for it...then come up with the truth. I think that Randi bloke put some guys up so something similar a while back.

Mind you, even then, some would say it was a black op gig and the authorities got them to change the story on "Pain of death" to keep the secret!!!

In some ways that is the beauty of a lot of this stuff. No rights and wrongs, just opinions and speculation. With almost as many theories as there are observers / believers.

I believe that it is mostly an experiential thing...you had to be there.....I am aware of the fallabilities of the Human animal. Our senses and perception ain't perfect..our memories can be even worse!!! But even with those accepted failings, I have seen, heard and felt things that have no logical explanation.

Does that mean that they are paranormal in nature? I don't know. It could be that things are occurring that current science doesn't understand...which is some peoples idea of what the paranormal is, I believe.

Maybe it is faulty brain processing or maybe they are real happenings. Lets hope humanity lasts long enough to find out.