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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 02:40 AM
Seems once again we're searching for excuses to launch war against an arab nation.
You think people would of gotten tired of obvious lies...
Well either way, the US Government believes they still work.

Why is it, we are so activley plastering the news with reports of Iranian actions in Iraq, stopping our Iraqi-occupational dreams?
We're having meetings with Iran, ordering them to STOP FUNDING militia, or else.

Why is it I never see the following plastered on the news?
OR used as an excuse to Sanction Saudi Arabia?

AP) Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.

Overall, the Iraqi officials said, money has been pouring into Iraq from oil-rich Saudi Arabia, a Sunni bastion, since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq toppled the Sunni-controlled regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Seems we only pick and chose whoi's an enemy at the right time.

Afghan, check
Iraq, check
Iran, check

Hows about Pakistan? Saudi Arabia?.. nah theyre allies, we can allow them to assist in the murder of military men

posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 03:44 AM
I agree with you mate 100%. The hypocricy within this war on terror is unbeleivable. If the USA was really serious they would have hit Saudi Arabia and Pakistan first.

Any day now, there'll be a military coup in Pakistan and the extremists will hold power.....with nukes.....then what?

I think the US may be in a way helping this to happen as an excuse to go "all out" in the middle east and use it as a precedence.

Im so over the double speak going on everywhere!

posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 08:42 AM
Your confusing governments of countries and individuals of countries. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan both have governments that formally agree with the stated goals of the United States.

This does not mean that there are individuals in the countries that despise the USA and her allies. These individuals do not represent the government of these countries. It is up to the individual government to handle the citizens of those countries. This is not the policy nor the job of the USA to police the population of "friendly" countries.

As to pick and choose. This has gone on since mankind has established organized groups with represented speakers for the total group.

Iran has been a rogue state since it invaded US territory (it's embassy) in 1979. Yes, embassies are sovereign property of the nation it represents. Iran has had total disregard of international law since that time.

International law is important as it has a common basis for all nations to act on. To not have this common basis would result in anarchy on a global scale. Without international law, the Soviet Union and the USA would never have survived the cold war. The USA had one thought of how things should be in the world and the USSR had a totally different view of the same planet. International law gave both players the same base line to work from.

A case could be made about the USA and it's policies on terrorism in regards to Iraq. This case would lose in the blind eyes of justice with the USA prevailing. I know not everyone will agree with this statement. The USA went before the UN and presented a case on terrorism AND the UN granted action. Whether you agree or disagree, this is what happened. Forget the argument about lies and false data on WMD's. This was not known before hand by any legitimate sources. This became known only after the fact of warfare and forced inspections within IRAQ by inspectors and the military. The UN gave the government of Iraq more than several times to comply with terms of a treaty and Iraq refused. The UN finally didn't bluff.

Have you noticed that North Korea has let inspectors in to check it's nuclear program. This rogue state is now playing within the international legal system. It will receive much needed aid in food and energy supplies from surrounding nations. This is not a reward for doing the right thing. This is nations helping nations that believe in the same legal framework.

Libya gave up it's nuclear program in favor of removing sanctions that were imposed. This happened several years ago.

The system of international laws does work, although many people do not like the idea of a common law for everyone applied. Many people state the loss of governmental power to a higher authority. People who live in countries that have a history of following laws have no fear of action. Only people who follow rogue leaders of lawless states have anything to fear.

This brings Pakistan into focus. There is a current legal form of government in this country that is recognized by all nations. A terrorist take over of this nation would result in action that would restore a legal government. Such as what happened in Afghanistan, which now has a legal government again.

Once again, people will disagree violently about this action. The USA and her allies placed a legal government in place in Afghanistan and has let the citizens of this country determine who it's leaders will be. The same will happen in Pakistan when a coup is attempted.

posted on Jul, 26 2007 @ 07:32 PM
Irans persion not arab so its not another arab country

also Saudi basicaly have the US and UK goverment in their pockets.

look at the UK, BAE bribes saudi prince into getting multibillion dollor contract
investigation droped

large chunk of the US with trillions in investment.

this is all Money

who he controls the money controls the fate of others

[edit on 26-7-2007 by bodrul]

posted on Jul, 27 2007 @ 07:20 AM

Originally posted by hinky
Iran has been a rogue state since it invaded US territory (it's embassy) in 1979. Yes, embassies are sovereign property of the nation it represents. Iran has had total disregard of international law since that time.

The same rogue state that the CIA aided in overthrowing in 1953 which at the time had a democratically elected government? And we wonder why they're pissed.

Let's face it. The majority of 9/11 terrorists were of Saudi decent yet absolutely nothing has happened to that nation in terms of any recourse or military action. Why is that. The Saudi's next to the Israeli's are the most heinous nations working these days and they've both got the blessing and ass kissing of the good ol US of A to back them up.


[edit on 27-7-2007 by brill]

posted on Jul, 27 2007 @ 10:51 AM
Yeah I think "rouge state" can be defined as any state whose government doesn't do the US's bidding

A case could be made about the USA and it's policies on terrorism in regards to Iraq. This case would lose in the blind eyes of justice with the USA prevailing.

I think the vast majority of the planet would disagree with this.

As an American myself, we need to get over this delusional idea that our government is some fine noble institution out doing justice around the world. Our government is simply one corrupt state among many other corrupt states jockeying for power & economic gain, and our invasion of Iraq is proof of that.

Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism or WMD's, and everything to do with securing resources.

The current US attempts to foment a war with Iran are much the same.

As pointed out by Brill, the theocracy in Iran wouldn't even exist today if we hadn't overthrown Iran's democratic governemt back in 1953, because they had the unmitigated gall to act as if Iran's oil actually belonged to Iran

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