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posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 06:50 PM
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The question i am proposing to ask is a question that leave's a lump in my throat and fustrate's my mind, i am a researcher and believer at heart, i have watched over 300hr''s of video evidence and documentarys and even confession's on the UFO and government secrecey issue's and i have just this one important question to ask...Waht are we going to do? how are we all going to reveal the trueth and bring the govenment to justice when everything is so deep underground and hidden from the public's knowlege?
sohuld we all wait till 2021 just to see if what the profecey and sourc's say will come true? it's abit of a hard thing to do just to sit back and keep upto date with the happening's of the world and the government's project's and lie's. Pine gap australia is believed to be the Area 51 of australia yet it is one of the most un spoken and researched millitary installment's in the world, John Howard "the current prime minister of australia" has taken away worker's right's such as panalty rate's and holiday pay and slo thing's like overtime pay and sick leave, if worker's do not sign a contract from there employer's allowing this to happen then they loose there job's yet john howard say's it's for the benifett of australia in the long run. This is a lie all over and seeing john howard follow in geoge bush's step's it's a big concern, could the New industrial relation's law's that have taken away worker's right's and pay rate's be a way of funding the black project's of the world govenment's and be used to fund Pine Gap and the underground installation's? i think that they might be! what do we do i do not know. i feel sorry for all of us who are being lied to and i am doing my best to research what i can but i need help down hear in australia there arnt many people like me who believe and research what i do and what all of you at ATS do... And what is going on with the disclosure project? i have not heard anything on that movement for a while now and it's progress is rather slugish considering how long ago it was established...
I would like to thank my dear love of my life Codie for her support and tell her i am proud of her open minded thought's as even she is becoming a believer and know's how to see the obvios thing's that us believer's and researcher's know and see...
So i leave this question to YOU the ATS member's and profesional's...What Doo we Do? feel free to reply to this and email me.

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posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 07:15 PM
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well im not knowlegeable of austrailia or its politics, but i know that secrecy is secrecy. you see, at some point there will be atleast one individual on the inside, that will find his morals to hard to ignore, at some point he or she may decide its time to say something, what will he/she say? what could they even be able to know in order to expose any truth at all? who knows. i know this though, when sensitive information does get out, and it will, if its brought here, it will first have to verified to be authentic and if it is and there is efforts to hamper the people from seeking truth it will only piss us all off more, it will only reaffirm our devotion to exposing the truths some wish to keep hidden. it is through the internet that the real conspiracies of earth will be revealed because in a way our internet is a global link to every mind willing to consider our evidence and views and there is nothing on this earth aside from maybe aliens and perhaps their technology (heh), that is more powerful than the human mind and motivation. the harder they try to keep us in the dark, the harder it will be to do so.



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by juggaloco

i am a researcher and believer at heart, i have watched over 300hr''s of video evidence and documentarys and even confession's on the UFO and government secrecey issue's


First, welcome to ATS !!

I'm a "want to believer".
Skeptic if you will. Been called worse.

In my mind, the problem with a "believer" doing research
will have any findings fit the belief.


Waht are we going to do? how are we all going to reveal the trueth and bring the govenment to justice when everything is so deep underground and hidden from the public's knowlege?


Are you asking how we (the public) can force the PTB to reveal
their secrets ?
We can't. But, we can keep a close eye on them.


sohuld we all wait till 2021 just to see if what the profecey and sourc's say will come true?


IMO, 2012 is a great way to sell books. nothing else.


Pine gap australia is believed to be the Area 51 of australia yet it is one of the most un spoken and researched millitary installment's in the world,


Pine Gap IS interesting...See Here.
But, hardly unspoken of, or researched.


John Howard "the current prime minister of australia" has taken away worker's right's such as panalty rate's and holiday pay and slo thing's like overtime pay and sick leave, if worker's do not sign a contract from there employer's allowing this to happen then they loose there job's


I'm not familiar with Australian law. Do you have any links to back
these statements ?


This is a lie all over and seeing john howard follow in geoge bush's step's it's a big concern,


This statement concerns me. Especially in a UFO forum.
Political agendas belong in a political forum.
Unless, you have proof of the political angle directly related
to UFO's. (would surprise me)


could the New industrial relation's law's that have taken away worker's right's and pay rate's be a way of funding the black project's of the world govenment's and be used to fund Pine Gap and the underground installation's? i think that they might be!


I'm sorry. Even if pay and insurance were cut, you'd come no where
NEAR a black budget.
I'm getting the feeling you've recently lost a job.


in australia there arnt many people like me who believe and research what i do and what all of you at ATS do...


That my friend, is untrue.


And what is going on with the disclosure project? i have not heard anything on that movement for a while now and it's progress is rather slugish considering how long ago it was established...


Do a search for Greer, here at ATS.

My opinion.

You seem to be looking for some sort of vindicating response.
I can't provide that.

What do we do ? We stay alert.
We search docs.
We scour pics.
We watch vids.

Regards,
Lex



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 07:41 PM
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nice lex. very thorough. and your exactly right, we watch and we research anything worth talking about. the black budget point was pretty much on target with my mind as i read the quote too. i dont know anything about austrailian politics current events or the job issues he stated but if they have an agenda it can only be discovered through careful observation and research of facts.



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 07:55 PM
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Pine Gap US Military Base
Satellite Photo

www.satellite-sightseer.com...



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 08:05 PM
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There isn't much anyone can do but wait. This subject will remain the secret that it is now until our governments can no longer keep it secret for one reason or another. Whether that reason is government collapse or a UFO/ET event that is so big that it can't be covered up is what we'll all have to wait for.

A lie this big cannot be hidden forever no matter how much our governments would wish it were so. I'm quite certain its extremely expensive to maintain the conspiracy as it is today. Economic systems can only take so much before they collapse. Some UFO reports are of objects that are quite massive in size. Any slip-up with one of the big objects, like a Phoenix Lights event during the day instead of night, would cause far too many problems for our governments to contain.



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Lexion
Originally posted by juggaloco

John Howard "the current prime minister of australia" has taken away worker's right's such as panalty rate's and holiday pay and slo thing's like overtime pay and sick leave, if worker's do not sign a contract from there employer's allowing this to happen then they loose there job's


I'm not familiar with Australian law. Do you have any links to back
these statements ?

Lex, over the past year or so, the Howard government has slashed and burned most of the ordinary workers' rights. We have an unstable system now, that is heading more towards individual contracts, in an attempt to shatter the power of Unions and collective bargaining. It's no longer a world of 'fair play' in Australian workplaces.

What juggaloco typed is essentially correct. If you refuse to sign a workplace agreement, then the workplace would turn to someone else who will sign, so you're out of a job. My workplace is still operating under the current certified agreement. It's up for negotiation by the end of this year. My workplace has assured us that all of our old awards and entitlements will still be in place, however, there is very little that can be done, should they chose to play hard-ball at the negotiating table. The only recourse for workers now, is to unite and threaten to quit, en-mass, to really stuff the workplace. They can't hire THAT many people in such a short time to continue to operate profitably. However, with a one-third Union membership and a fragmented staff, there will be no rallying of the troops.

Basically, it's now a divide and conquor scenario for lots of workplaces. The average worker is (or will be) getting screwed, while executives still gain multiple-million dollar bonuses, even when their companies suffer share drops. Equality in the workplace does not exist and never really has.

Sorry for the topic drift...



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 07:29 AM
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No i havent recently lost a job, yes it's true that there might not be many believer's in australia but i sed that because i felt at the time i dont know many of them and also in reguard's to political laws in australia im sure if you try Australian work place relation's or IR law's despute you will find something also try workers right's the liberal government is responsable for taking these right's away and the Labor government is fighting to get those right's back...



posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 07:50 AM
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Pertaining to this portion of your initial post:


Waht are we going to do? how are we all going to reveal the trueth and bring the govenment to justice when everything is so deep underground and hidden from the public's knowlege?


As hard as it might be for some, we need to get past the idea of lynching those holding the secrets. I think that it will be necessary for all of us in the public arena and judicial systems to provide those in government and in the private sector responsible for holding any secrets regarding UFOs, exotic tech, aliens and the like, amnesty from prosecution upon the public release of the secrets, if they indeed exist. It is the only way these people, who have jobs/careers, families, pensions, futures will even begin to feel safe enough to turn loose of what they know - without repercussions. Self preservation is a very powerful reason to keep your mouth shut....these people need to be publically released from their security oaths.

There would need to be a global process developed to initiate this release and it would take the combined efforts of many differing governments to accomplish this. I dont see it happening anytime soon, but I could be wrong.

And only if they do not jeopordize national security in any way. Some secrets are absolutely necessary, this isnt a very friendly world at the governmental level and any given govmnt needs to keep precious what advantages they may have over thier enemies.

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posted on Jul, 25 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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i agree with lost mind. very well articulated and pretty straight forward. anyone disagree?




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