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Originally posted by uberarcanist
IA, in light of your response, I keep flashing back to the stories of catastrophes that various religions reported happening to man in the distant past because they thought they could be like the gods. If there's any truth to this whatsoever AND there is a link between Masons and outsiders (I'm almost certain both can be answered in the affirmative), then the Masons are well justified in using secrecy to prevent repeats of these incidents in the past.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
If you don't know much about the Gnostic texts, alot of the focus is on reincarnation and everyone is subject to it unless you know what to say to the toll collector's during your escorted trip through the various levels of Heaven. Not only do you need to know what to say to these beings, there is also a sign that gets you past the 6th Heaven. It's all pretty creepy stuff with souls getting whipped and hurled back down to earth and the ultimate goal is to not have to reincarnate, but to go to the place of rest. Jesus is said to have said in the opening text of the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas - Let one who seeks, not stop seeking, until they find. Upon finding the person will be disturbed, and being disturbed he will marvel, then he will reign, and then rest.
Originally posted by an3rkist
May I ask, since you didn't in fact tell me any specific knowledge or wisdom that is taught, (not that I would expect you to), if there are any specific books you recommend in this area?
What exactly gives Freemasons the authority to say that a person is not worthy of a certain knowledge without going through certain initiations? I mean, it's all well and good that the knowledge is fairly available to all now, but the message this act is sending to me is that the Masons feel as if they have ownership of certain truths and that they get to decide who will be privy to those things. Is there any religious text, (i.e. scripture), that claims that only certain people should hear the truth? Shouldn't it be that the truth is what should lead people to live a virtuous life?
And one last question, if you don't mind: Do you ever think that perhaps there are Masons in levels above you that have access to knowledge you do not? (I'm of course assuming there are "higher levels" above your own.)
Originally posted by interestedalways
Don't you think for some to decide themselves who is or isn't worthy is in a way acting like they believe themselves as gods.
Originally posted by estar
How come women aren't allowed within Freemasonry is it to do with the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and the three pillars? or am i way off
Originally posted by Masonic Light
5. "Magick Without Tears" by Aleister Crowley A collection of letters written by Crowley to various occult students. Get this one quick, as I hear it's going out of print.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
For example, it is obvious to common sense that Gandhi is worthy instead of Hitler, Mother Teresa instead of Stalin, the Dalai Lama instead of Charles Manson.
Originally posted by an3rkist
See this is where you and I disagree, and perhaps it is because I'm coming from an atheistic point of view. I believe that all men, even the worst of the worst, are deserving of the truth. I believe that all truths are the sole property of all mankind, no matter how wicked they might be. I also disagree with the quotes you gave me from the Bible which argued your point...I'm still of the philosophy that no man is unworthy of the truth.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I didn't mean that such persons were unworthy of the truth, only unworthy of initiation.
The truth is available to everyone, without exception. The important question in this regard is not if the truth is available, but what do they actually do with it?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
3. "The Kybalion" by Three Initiates One of the "Three Initiates", and the principle author, was Dr. Paul Foster Case, a Scottish Rite Mason, former member of the Golden Dawn and O.T.O., and founder of Builders of the Adytum, a non-Masonic "School of the Mysteries", of which I am also a member.
Originally posted by an3rkist
I guess this is where my "anarchistic" ideals come in. I don't believe in institutions that claim to know whether a person is worthy of them or not.
It seems to me that many would argue that a person whose books you've recommended would not be worthy of these things. I speak, of course, of Aleister Crowley, who many refer to as the "wickedest man in the world". Now I suppose it's possible that this stigma was fathered by the Church or something, an organization which apparently has had quite the opposing view of Masonry in history, but for a man who referred to himself as "the Beast", it would be justified to say that he was not quite the most "righteous" person in the world, even from a Masonic standard.
Now I'm not here to argue whether Crowley was worthy or not, but I'm interested in knowing exactly who or what is the standard whereby it's decided a person is worthy or not.
I know that as an atheist I would not be considered worthy, but who or what says whether even a theist is worthy?
Originally posted by Cug
I missed this on first reading. When was Case a member of the O.T.O.? I don't recall reading anything about this.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Case was a III° Master Magician. Most sources agree that he received the III° directly from Crowley. This source claims he received all three from Crowley.