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Clinton? Obama? or Edwards? Who Will It Be?

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posted on May, 14 2008 @ 09:26 AM
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The only way I can see McCain winning is if Nader splits the democratic vote like he usually does. Ugh!


'08 is not '00. Assuming most of the Green votes for Nader would have gone to the Dems, his 3,000,000 votes nationwide and most especially the 65,000 Green votes in Florida cost Al Gore the election and America the world. Not to mention 4,000 KIA soldiers and counting. Who would have ever expected a faith based ninny would become America’s 43rd president? GOD must surely be punishing America for some humongous muck up. Aside: I also attribute this to Voltaire: A man overheard praying. “Oh God, if there be One, save my soul, if I have one.” End.

I like Ralph. But he is too old, out of date, and his message while I understand him and it, is not resonating in century21. Like so many species, he is the last of his kind. R.I.P.




posted on May, 14 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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Some day, we might see a higher vote count for the Libertarians. If they could run a national-level candidate with enough backing--somebody with a lot of charisma and money--we could see a real change. Until that happens...


Pat Buchanan, a very likable fellow is a perennial presidential candidate. He calls himself a “classical” Libertarian on the McLaughlin Report. That's when he’s not claiming his undying allegiance to Reaganism. Smarter than all the other fringe candidates, he horns waggled Ross Perot’s Reform Party in 2000 and made what I’d say was the highpoint in the Libertarian’s forlorn hope at achieving national prominence. See Note 1.

Confusing though it is, with Harry Browne as the “official” Libertarian Party nominee - he polled 384,000 votes - I nevertheless accuse Buchanan of being the TRUE Libertarian candidate - he polled 449,000 votes - in the 2000 election. By way of comparison, the Green party polled 2.8 million votes, as opposed to the 2 “Libertarian” parties combined total of 830,000 votes.

Note 1. The Reform Party got a few million dollars from the US Campaign Committee based on its past performance in 1992 and 1996. No other fringe party qualified for Federal dollars. Buchanan saw that opportunity and he took full advantage of it. All perfectly legal.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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Hi, Don. What did you think of the West Virginia primary, and what is your projection for Kentucky? 67% is a good win for anyone, regardless of party.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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As you all know, John Edwards has just come out to endorse Barack Obama. There can be no doubt that this 'event' was arranged in an effort to take momentum away from Senator Clinton.

In the weeks to come, we may see Edwards become Obama's running mate. If Edwards tracks well in the polls, he might have a shot at it. If he appears to be taking away Hillary's mojo, you'll see a ground swell in his favor.

So, the question is, can an Obama-Edwards ticket beat John McCain?



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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Well it would be understandable if on a personal and professional level Edwards wanted to reverse the result of four years . An Obama - Edwards ticket is certainly very possible I wouldn't be to surprised by such a development. In fact I rate both the Obama - Edwards or Richardsons has being more likely then the so called dream ticket . While I am no way saying that an Obama - Edwards ticket would lose in November I don't know enough about the geography of the US to comment on exactly what states Edwards would be likely to bring on board .

I am aware that Edwards would appeal to those areas who have been hit hardest by globalization .



posted on May, 15 2008 @ 01:18 AM
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I would agree. Edwards has a message that resonates with blue-collar voters who have been ousted by the large corporations moving operations overseas. I also think that Edwards has a better shot at softening the elitist perception of Obama. Hillary just now found her voice on those matters, and it's not a very strong voice. Edwards has been doing this for many years now, and I personally believe that, had he stayed in the race, he would have been a great alternative to those who got fed up with the constant squabbling between Hil and Obama.

Of course, I was an Edwards supporter from the start, so I admit that my opinion on this matter is somewhat biased.



posted on May, 15 2008 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by scarlett1125
Of course, I was an Edwards supporter from the start, so I admit that my opinion on this matter is somewhat biased.


Alright, then. Here's a question for you. How does Edwards keep Hillary Clinton from robbing him of the VP option? If she wants it, she might just push him aside and take it by force.



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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Justin,

I think that he has been on the same talking points for so long that those who are supporters are avid supporters. Hillary just found that part of her voice and the polls show that it hasn't even done her that much good because her plans are seen as pandering, rather than being serious plans to fix the problems we face.

On the other hand, I saw something last night that might make me rethink my position on this. Someone mentioned that Edwards is a Bilderburger (sp?). Is that true? And if so, do you think that would be brought up against him to prove that he is just as elitist as Obama has been portrayed to be?

Scarlett



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 01:28 AM
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I have not encountered any eviddence to suggst that Edwards is a Builderberger. He is, however, quite a wealthy man. His own net worth vastly excedes that of Barack Obama. The Republicans shouldn't have any trouble portraying him as an elitist...if...they can get their own house in order.



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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We may see Edwards become Obama's running mate. If Edwards tracks well in the polls, he might have a shot at it. If he appears to be taking away Hillary's mojo, you'll see a ground swell in his favor. So, the question is, can an Obama - Edwards ticket beat John McCain?


A McCain - Crist ticket?

Despite the fact the GOP starts with a substantial lead in FL, Crist is attractive addition to any ticket in his own right. He is visibly much younger. He is very articulate and there is NO badmouthing of him here. Although Charlie was the hand picked successor to James Earl Bush a/k/a JEB, he is not being associated with the broken Bush Dynasty by the local media. You know also Limbaugh holes up in Miami where drugs are easily available without sending out your unreliable housemaid.



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 05:40 PM
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Hi, Don. What did you think of the West Virginia primary, and what is your projection for Kentucky? 67% is a good win for anyone, regardless of party.


No, 67% is a very disappointing vote. But we all "knew" it was coming. WV is the white off-set to SC. But the SC voters have more going for them than the WV voters. The patriarch of the Senate stayed in W-DC. Jay Rockefeller is the new wave of democracy. I don't know when his term expires but his backing of Obama will not carry over to the advantage of any ambitious GOP type, IMO.

Dems were happy to see Geraldine Ferraro on the Mondale ticket. Dems will be happy to see Obama - my choice - or Hillary - faltering fast - on the Dems ticket. WV is a "throwback" state. I've compared WV as a sundown state to the old time sundown towns. Nowadays we call sundown towns gated communities.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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I understand what you are saying. When, where, and how does Hillary Clinton leave the race? Seems pretty obvious to me that she's going to finish it, no matter what. Will she fight for the VP nomination?



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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When, where, and how does Hillary Clinton leave the race? Seems pretty obvious to me that she's going to finish it, no matter what. Will she fight for the VP nomination?


All she has to do is watch the tv show of Obama in Oregon! Hillary is TOO much the image of the inveterate insider. Unfortunately for women Hillary's time has PAST. I do think that she has opened the door for ANY woman to make a real run in either party. For that she will be rightly honored.

I have never seen the slightest evidence in her personality to be Number Two to anybody. I do not see her wanting that job. I remind you of John Nance Garner and his appraisal of the job. Nixon and Cheney were unique due to the men they "served."

She will have to bow out gracefully when the last superdelegate to vote puts Obama over the top. June 4, IMO.

[edit on 05/05/2008 by donwhite]



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 10:20 PM
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Kentucky was no surprise. They look a lot like West "By God" Virginians. I am pleased for 2 reasons.

1) The count was 97% complete by 9:30 PM, barely 3 1/2 hours after the polls closed at 6 PM. Ky uses a 30 year old opti-scan system which saves the actual ballot for future recounting.

2) 650,000 voted in the Dems primary. Ky pop is 4 mil. 15% of the people cared enough to go to the polls when the issue is no longer in doubt! That is enthusiasm that will prove decisive in the Fall.



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 12:12 AM
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Seems clear to me that Hillary is gambling that she can soak up just enough delegates to prevent Obama from getting the 2025 he needs for the nomination. the odds are long, but she COULD do that.



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 07:08 AM
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Seems clear to me that Hillary is gambling that she can soak up just enough delegates to prevent Obama from getting the 2025 he needs for the nomination.


From CNN at 8:10 AM EDT Wednesday

Democratic Primary Update
Barack has 1,648 elected delegates, 305 superdelegates and a total of 1,953 of the needed to win 2,025.

Hillary has 1,493 elected delegates, 277 superdelegates and a total of 1,770.

The CNN Poll of Polls shows Dems favor Obama 49% to Hillary’s 42%. 9% remain undecided.

Yesterday’s popular vote in KY was, 459,000 for Hillary to 210,000 for Obama. She carried all but 2 of KY’s 120 counties. He carried the 2 most populous, Jefferson (Louisville) and Fayette - yes, for Lafayette - (Lexington).

John McCain polled 262,000 votes to Ron Paul’s 45,000 votes.

In Oregon, Obama won 330,000 votes to Hillary’s 236,000. Again, Obama carried the metropolitan counties and Hillary the rural counties.

John McCain polled 142,000 votes to Ron Paul’s 13,000 and to Huckabee’s 16,000 votes.

NOTE: Compare Ron Paul’s vote in KY with his vote in OR. This gives you a sense of the relative conservativeness of the 2 states.



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 05:28 PM
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Senator Clinton has drastically toned down her remarks toward Senator Obama. I think it's fiar to say that she can't do any more damage to him. Only one question remains. Will she push to be on the ticket as his Vice President? I think the upcoming rules committee meeting on the 31st will play some role in her choice to push for it, or walk away.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 04:06 AM
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What exactly does the rules committee do ?
It sounds like the body that would deal with the Primary's that were cancelled due to conflicting dates . My position on Hillary possible VP candidacy hasn't changed.

Cheers xpert11.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 08:23 AM
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What exactly does the rules committee do? It sounds like the body that would deal with the Primary's that were canceled due to conflicting dates. My position on Hillary possible VP candidacy hasn't changed.


As the name implies, they are the RULE MAKERS for the DNC. As you need to keep in mind X11, this is a private undertaking. Only in America do we let private people run PUBLIC elections.

The dates conflicted but the primaries were not canceled. Both MI and FL went “forward” as we love to express it.

Speaker Nancy Polsi was on the tv yesterday. She implied without saying so that the 2 state’s delegates - MI and FL - would be divided 50/50. If that is the decision, then that puts Obama WAY OVER the top! He needs only 72 delegates to win outright. 2025. When you think about it, there is no other way to do it. In one POV it removes the advantage one got over the other.

Clinton is on shaky ground to claim any other division of the votes because she and Obama ought to have been off the ballot in FL as Obama did in MI. Don’t forget this problem was the INTENTIONAL product of James Earl Bush, ex-governor and his 2 to 1 Republican Florida legislature. Karl Rove may be out of a job but he was not dead!

At the risk of repeating myself, I have never seen any flicker in Hillary’s personality that would make her want the No. 2 spot anywhere. She’s a “go for broke” player. She is still regarded by pundits outside the Dem Party as a lightning rod for Dem-haters.

We would not want Obama spending time defending his VP choice. Far better to have a UNITER on his ticket like your old favorite Bill Richardson (and mine too). John Edwards is too much a New Deal left-over. No one has the advantages nor does anyone have fewer disadvantages than the NM governor.

[edit on 05/05/2008 by donwhite]



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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If Senator Obama picked anyone else but Senator Clinton, I think he would spend most of his time defending his Veep...unless....He picks a white Southerner like Edwards.

It's true that he's going to take a hard ration of flak from the women's groups. He might be able to overcome that.

In my mind's eye, I can see the 60 day hard sell that they'd have to do in an effor to welld broken fences and generate some good buzz. I can also see it working, too.

[edit on 23-5-2008 by Justin Oldham]




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