What If Bush Decides He Is Not Ready To Leave Office In 2009?(My Crazy Conspiracy Theory), page 2
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reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 09:34 AM by lightseeker
Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Even if this were to happen which is totally unlikely; I believe there would be a mass revolt and violence toward the government the likes that have not been seen before. It would make the civil war look like kid and play. People here are already pretty ticked off at the government as it is. Between this monkey we have in office as President to the idiot and just plain criminal senate and house.


Which is exactly why, in my scenario, Bush declares marshall law and as Commander-in-Chief orders the military, (Army & National Guard), to keep order by any means necessary which, if your prediction of mass revolt and violence were actually present, deadly force. Now a lot of Army and National Guardsmen, may disagree with their orders and either flee the scene altogether or join the opposition and turn on their former freinds and
comrades.

Loyalties would be split in every quarter of our country; Congress, the miltary, fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, brothers and sisters. Sounds a little like the Civil War, doesn't it? That is in essence what we would have, IMO, a civil war between those who support Bush and the right-wing, neo-con position and those who feel betrayed and crapped on for having their civil liberties and lives shattered.

I can see it happening. The pendulem is already swinging in that direction, it wouldn't take much to bring about a full blown takeover by Bush and those who either pull his strings or whose strings he pulls; different people have different ideas about who is really in control. Also, bear in mind that Bush can get away with a lot of this becuase when he pulls the switch, he is still the sitting president, still several weeks or maybe even months from the takeover by a successor.


A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed. Here are just a few Executive Orders that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER



As you can see, I have way too much time on my hands, these days!

[edit on 7/19/2007 by lightseeker]


reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 10:44 AM by lightseeker
Originally posted by kyanther
This isn't what I wanted to see when I first woke up. The last thing I did last night was have an argument with my significant other about this exact same situation! Now I'm just kinda creeped out. She told me this "couldn't happen", so I asked her "who would stop him? It's not like anyone is able to stop him right now, you know?" Her response was "The constitution doesn't allow it." So I quoted the prez and told her "remember, the constitution is "just a damn piece of paper". Then I rolled over and went to sleep.


Thanks for your post, Kyanther and sorry to be the cause of an argument between you and your SO. I have a funny feeling though that this same discussion is occurring all over the country and people are starting to, if not worry, at least wonder what's around the corner for our country and the meglomaniacs that use words like "homeland security" to explain why they are systematically stripping away our civil liberties, one at a time.

When you are talking about a President who feels he is above the Constitution and is not obligated to follow what our forefathers intended and in fact mandated, then your talking about unknown territory, uncharted waters; remember the legend that used to be printed on all of the old maps in the middle ages to describe what lied beyound the known borders of the world? " Here Be Dragons "



reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 06:14 PM by lightseeker
Originally posted by Masonic Light
If the Supreme Court upheld an Executive Order, Congress would have to amend the Constitution to overturn it, a long and drawn out process. By the time they even began getting the paperwork in order, another Executive Order could dissolve Congress.


Well, unfortunately once an executive order is recorded in the federal registry it becomes the law of the land; it totally bypasses Congess. If the Supremes do not find the new "law" unconstitutional, then Congress would have to bring a new bill to the floor to create an Amendment to the Constitution, which requires a 2/3 majority vote in both the House and Senate. They could just pass a new law that supercedes the executive order law and makes it invalid; however, if Bush vetos the law then Congress is back to a 2/3 majority to override the veto. So, Bush has all the cards stacked in his favor.

Add to this the fact that the majority of executive orders already on the books for the last 30 years, the ones I copied into a previous post,( and the ones which if enacted would be especially onerus), were all signed by JFK, who is a national icon. It might be difficult to get enough votes to enact a new law that makes him look bad.

Further, keep in mind that all of those executive orders signed by Kennedy are already on the books; they are already law, in the sense that all Bush has to do is write a letter to Congress stating that he was declaring Executive Order ____ (fill in the blank), in effect due to a threat to the security of The United States and was directing _______ and/or _______ to take immediate action to see that the order was enforced.

He has done this in the past with other executive orders and he can do so again.


reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 07:48 PM by dgtempe
Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
There is precedent for this

Franklin D. Roosevelt

He actually served four terms.


THAT wont cut it now. This is 2007, people are a tad more intelligent and they are well aware of what a dictatorship IS. Having said that and in answer to the thread, i beleive he will do whatever it takes to stay, along with his bulldog Cheney.
It will take an invasion to get him the heck out of Dodge or in his case Washington and the White HOuse.

Its hard to beat dictators, but it can be done.


reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 10:32 PM by lightseeker
Originally posted by Justin Oldham
Lightseeker:

You may want to have a look at
THIS.


Hey, thanks Justin for spreading the word. What's your comission schedule like? I might be able to use you in my organization.
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