SCI/TECH: What Color Is Mars, Really?, page 4
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reply posted on 11-1-2004 @ 08:42 PM by SkepticOverlord
For ease of comparison, here are the images Valhall found for us:




reply posted on 11-1-2004 @ 09:45 PM by ArchAngel
NASA has know since Viking that there is life on Mars.

It has simply been covered up. The 'Life' detecting experiments were positive. It was just pooh-poohed everywhere, and left to be forgotten.
_____________________________________________
Reprinted from:
Proceedings of Spie, SPIE-The International Society for Optical Engineering,
"Instruments, Methods, and Missions for the Investigation of Extraterrestrial Microorganisms.
29 July-1 August 1997, San Diego, California

The Viking Labeled Release Experiment and Life on Mars

Gilbert V. Levin*
Biospherics Incorporated

SNIP

3. CONCLUSION


Many hypotheses have been advanced and tested in attempts to account for the well-characterized activity detected in the surface material of Mars by the LR experiment. As shown above, these hypotheses have themselves been found wanting. The demonstrated success of the LR and the exquisite sensitivity with which it has detected microorganisms during its extensive test program with its record of no false positives can no longer be denied. No non-biological approach published, or known to the author, has duplicated the LR Mars data. Some laboratory experiments have produced positive responses, but the detailed thermal sensitivity exhibited by the variety of controls conducted on Mars has remained elusive in all such tests compatible with martian conditions. On the other hand, a combination of known properties of microorganisms, perhaps even those possessed by single species, could reproduce all aspects of the LR data. The biological interpretation of the Mars LR results is left standing alone. Recent discoveries of life forms thriving in extraordinarily severe environments on Earth strongly indicate that any alien organisms arriving on Mars might well and widely adapt to their new home. Application of the scientific principle leads to a conclusion: the Viking LR experiment detected living microorganisms in the soil of Mars.

www.biospherics.com...

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by ArchAngel]

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by ArchAngel]



reply posted on 11-1-2004 @ 10:24 PM by Kano
Pay attention!

Getting back to the original topic of this thread. I emailed Dr. Jim Bell, Assoc. Professor of Astronomy at Cornell University. Who is also the Pancam Payload Element Lead for the Athena Science Team.

Dr. Bell has returned my email (for which I am extremely grateful, as I'm sure he is incredibly busy at present). Explaining what causes this quirk we see in the processed panorama image.

The contents of the email response are below:

Thanks for writing. The answer is that the color chips on the sundial have different colors in the near-infrared range of Pancam filters. For example, the blue chip is dark near 600 nm, where humans see red light, but is especially bright at 750 nm, which is used as "red" for many Pancam images. So it appears pink in RGB composites. We chose the pigments for the chips on purpose this way, so they could provide different patterns of brightnesses regardless of which filters we used. The details of the colors of the pigments are published in a paper I wrote in the December issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research (Planets), in case you want more details...


All of us tired folks on the team are really happy that so many people around the world are following the mission and sending their support and encouragement...


Thanks,


Jim Bell
Cornell U.


As far as the Journal of Geophysical Research (Planets). It seems you have to be a member to gain access to them from the AGU website. Perhaps a member who is or has access to a university library can look it up for further information.

Or maybe they are available elsewhere online and I'm just unable to find it.

I believe the paper referred to is this one:
www.agu.org...
Mars Exploration Rover Engineering Cameras

Or perhaps
www.agu.org...
Athena Mars rover science investigation

But at least we can put the paranoid theories back in the closet for now.


reply posted on 12-1-2004 @ 04:17 AM by John bull 1
Personally,I do not ascribe to the hoax theory,however to be fair,and because this is a conspiracy site,I will outline one hoax scenario that is at least in part plausable.

Beagle 2 had already lost contact without sending back any message.Spirit might have suffered the same fate and a quick decision was taken to hoax.A duplicate rover took panoramic shots of a desert area in the US(a military base) and the colour was shifted to eliminate blue and green from the shots to give an image that the public expected.
The panoramic view is not 360 degrees(the landscape doesn't match at either end) and by looking at the rock shadows it appears to be much less than 180 and nearer 90 degrees(unless the time to readjust for each shot has distorted the shadow graduation).
Now as I said I do not believe it but simple oversight could explain why the calibrator has not been changed or the technical difficulty in producing the images as perceived as live downloads.

My own view is there must be a problem with retaining the colour calibration when moving(oversensitivity).The only interesting and genuine question is the scientific on raised by the title of this thread.What colour is Mars,Really?

I do not think it's ignorant to raise the question of elaborate hoax though.
The green pixels shown on the image William has posted are probably just natural spectrum prism effect exagerated by the pixel size(natural light contains all colours and reflecting of off quartz would show some green.are the green pixels on opposite sides to the shadows?) but another explanation is simply green rocks/minerals.Not emeralds(though that would be nice) copper oxidisation,some types of marble.

If the green was better defined and was shown to be plantlife then I think the hoax theory actually gains credibility.There is no reason to hide terraforming(as it would be popular anyway apart from a few cosmic enviromentalists who believe the solar system should be a "international park")and there is no reason to hide indigenous plantlife(It would be Kudos to anyone involved in finding it)
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