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reply posted on 28-7-2007 @ 01:33 AM by 0ivae
Originally posted by bsbray11
Simple question: do you or don't you think that an energy beam from space could effectively be intelligent enough to know to completely destroy some columns but leave all the others perfectly intact?



The idea is that devices developed as part of the "Star Wars" weapons programs were used, not necessarily that these weapons were deployed from space. Judy Wood elaborates on this
point. She also emphasizes that DEWs are a broad class of possible weapon systems, each of which presumedly can be deployed in any number of ways, whether from satelites, or installed right there in the basements and/or along the cores of the towers.

The initial evidence that Judy Wood cites as leading her towards the DEW hypothesis is the intact bathtub following the collapse of the towers. She argues in fact that the towers really didn't collapse, as most of their mass was pulverized on the way down, before the impact of their collapse would likely have ruptured the bathtub and have caused much of lower Manhattan to be flooded.

Demolishing these structures posed a real problem for those who set out to do it: how to cleanly take out the entire WTC complex without allowing the towers in particular to damage nearby buildings and infrastructure from above (falling debris) or from below (flooding from the bathtub). They were successful for the most part. Judy Wood attributes this success to the use of some agent that dustified most of the towers before they could hit the ground, and she considers DEWs the most likely candidate... of course, it is an easy candidate insofar as it includes such a broad range of technologies and possible means of deployment. Zeroing in on the exact kind of device and means of deployment is necessarily difficult, however, because most of the information is classified. Nevertheless, so far it is the only hypothesis that can account for the soundness of the bathtub along with all of the other anomalies (the toasted cars in particular) that other accounts have not adequately explained.

In summary, this is Judy Wood's rational. If all of this has been explained in other ways, please tell me how & where.

It is true that there is a good deal of evidence to suggest the use of conventional explosives, e.g. in the photos of the cut steel you cited and in the diagonal sequence of squibs made apparent in this video.
Perhaps the collapse was intitiated conventionally and then immediately the collapse (i.e. the impact onto the ground and bathtub) was so-to-speak prevented by dustification.

So there's one scenario.... then there's the other scenario, explosives implanted at "birth"... Yes, that one takes the cake.


reply posted on 31-7-2007 @ 03:49 PM by Griff
Originally posted by bsbray11
Since it's somewhat on-topic, here's an image of what looks like the concrete base of a large elevator, maybe the freight elevator of this particular building:



This photo is interesting. Especially if what Gottago says about it not being reinforced concrete.

Let me get this straight. A concrete "shell" (if you will) is going to withstand the collapse but steel would not. This is what we are to believe for the official story to be true.

A few points to make. What made this concrete perform better than steel?

Compressive strength? Nope, concrete has far less strength than steel. Most concrete is 4,000 psi. It may be up to 6,000 psi (they have come along way since the 70's and now can make pretty high strength, but still not as high as steel). So, that rules out compressive strength.

A36 steel has a compressive strength of 36,000 psi. Just for comparrison.

Torsional strength. Nope, see above. It's the same with torsional strength.

Tension strength. Again, no. Concrete breaks apart and has very little tension strength, while steel elongates way before it snaps.

Fire resistance. Now, concrete has greater fire resistance but are we to believe there were raging infernos in this area of the stairways/elevators to weaken all the steel around it? I don't remember that report. So, fire is rulled out.

Last thing I can think of would be blast resistance. I would imagine concrete being better than gypsum/steel in blast resistance.

Am I missing anything?

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reply posted on 5-8-2007 @ 04:58 AM by 0ivae
Originally posted by bsbray11
0ivae, please, I asked you if it makes sense to you that there are no partially vaporized columns, and a great number of columns in pristine condition, failures at the bolts for the perimeter columns. I don't want a rehashing of Wood's pages, just think over the question I'm asking.


Oi veh, I can't begin to sort this out.... I'm no expert on these things, I admit. What you say and the photos you cited would indeed suggest deliberately placed conventional explosives (thermate cutters perhaps).

But then I ask: what about the lack of a debris pile? - relative to the size of the buildings...
Whither did these towers go? Apparently they were overwhelmingly dustified...

Originally posted by gottago
Originally posted by Griff
Actually, I remember a quote from a rescue worker saying that the biggest thing he found was a keypad from a phone that fit in the palm of his hand. Something to think about.



Yes that is a well-known quote by one of the clean-up workers at Ground Zero; you can find it on several videos, and it's not taken out of context. Similar remarks by other witnesses are very easy to come by and groups of workers discussed this freely. The building contents were pulverized with the concrete; it seems virtually nothing survived but the snowfall of paper.

Analysis of the concrete dust showed that it had exotic metals that were traced to computer components, etc. Thousands of people simply vanished or turned into tiny shards.


Does this kind of pulverization happen normally during conventional demolitions? How might one explain this?

It seems to me that something very unusual is going on... maybe micro-nukes could do this, maybe DEWs, I don't know... but certainly if explosives were mixed into the concrete during construction, well then it would be completely pulverized.

In any case, the evidence seems to my novitiate judgement to suggest a combination of conventional and unconventional devices....

Pull (conventional thermate &/or other)
Pulverize (micro-nuke &/or DEW &/or self-exploding concrete)
Preserve (the bathtub)


reply posted on 5-8-2007 @ 11:44 AM by bsbray11
Originally posted by 0ivae
Oi veh, I can't begin to sort this out.... I'm no expert on these things, I admit. What you say and the photos you cited would indeed suggest deliberately placed conventional explosives (thermate cutters perhaps).

But then I ask: what about the lack of a debris pile? - relative to the size of the buildings...


Think of it this way.

The building's weren't solid, they were like steel skeletons, with steel members stretched out in such a way to make a lot of space available for tenants.




Those look awfully big, but especially for the one on the left, if you disconnected all the columns and beams and just let them land where they may, they probably wouldn't fill the basement.


The perimeter walls were like thin skins on the building, relative to their widths. And when they fell, the columns went everywhere around Ground Zero and are laying around in piles in places, which is hard to get a feel for in photos, especially aerial ones.





Try to get a grasp of all the columns in these photos. They're little tiny pieces in some of them:










And at any rate, saying you don't think there's enough steel laying on the ground, isn't really something you can back up with numbers very easily. It's very subjective. Without more solid reasoning behind it, it's hardly even worth addressing.

Personally, I see plenty enough of them to be convinced the columns are still there by and large. There's just more steel concentrated into smaller areas, just like when you build anything and then knock it into pieces.

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