BT....
"Scott Ritter sure has been fully vetted, huh? I mean, there were a ton of allegations out of the woodwork when he called it straight."

"Called it straight".....when was that BT....just after his 1998 departure from UNSCOM and his reports to them and the US or after he received his $400,000 and then he changes his tune? You may think nothing of it BT, but its called lacking credibility. What, he and others wake up in the morning and flip a coin to figure on what 'story' they going to tell today or next year?
Yeah....Ritter definitely "called it straight".....wow.



regards
seekerof

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Originally posted by Djarums

I personally would still like to know why the treasury secretary was being handed all of these memos marked "secret" regarding foreign policy. The cabinet is a fairly large group, do you think each of them gets all the "secret" memos that aren't relevant to their positions?

He was on the National Security Council.

Oh, I see. Basically what you are saying is that it is ok for a democrat to engage in military action. It is OK for a democrat to actually pass a law that requires the United States to install a democratic government in Iraq. (conveniently near the end of his term in office) It is not OK for a conservative politician to do the same though. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by Seapeople
Oh, I see. Basically what you are saying is that it is ok for a democrat to engage in military action. It is OK for a democrat to actually pass a law that requires the United States to install a democratic government in Iraq. (conveniently near the end of his term in office) It is not OK for a conservative politician to do the same though. Thanks for clearing that up.

You missed the part about lying about nation building just to win. I'm sure you missed it on purpose, so I won't bother to drill it in. Had he campaigned on how soft Clinton was, and a PROMISE to invade Iraq... then you'd have a better point. If he clearly knew job one was removing Saddam, don't you think that should be on the freaking platform? It's kind of important considering we're paying for it. He can 'win' saying I'll cut taxes, but hiding the real agenda to actually increase spending is okay with you?

Thank you for clearing that up. You like being lied to.

I'll even stand back from that statement a bit in light of the revelations confirming rampant suspicions that Bush isn't bright enough to lie. He believed his promises, but wasn't strong enough a leader to not allow his administration to be usurped.

After all, how could Bush know the PNAC had his whole administration planned for him. His first mistake was sitting in Crawford after a hard fought "victory" and letting Cheney cherry pick his cabinet. If you really like how things are going, don't even vote for Bush... write in Cheney/Rumsfeld.

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somehow, I feel this will be old news soon, Paul O'Niell will be investigated, his credibility will be shot down and Bush will remain on top.

Is there any way to ensure that the media and Congress actually follow up on this issue.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
somehow, I feel this will be old news soon, Paul O'Niell will be investigated, his credibility will be shot down and Bush will remain on top.

Is there any way to ensure that the media and Congress actually follow up on this issue.

Absolutely not. If public outrage mattered, then someone that 259 million Americans think should be in jail wouldn't be broadcasting to the 21 million that don't.

Posted originally by rant:

"Thank you for clearing that up. You like being lied to."


Another quote comes to mind when I hear that.

"I did not have sexual relations with that women"


Now as I recall, back then, a presidents character had no bearing on his leadership skills. I am not defending Georgy. I am attacking the liberal double standards. Liberals follow there masters like sheep. Campaign on the issues. Never solve them. Instigate racism to gain political power. Then make claims of racism from elsewhere. (just one example) Never questioning. Never understanding.

Originally posted by Seapeople
Posted originally by rant:

"Thank you for clearing that up. You like being lied to."


Another quote comes to mind when I hear that.

"I did not have sexual relations with that women"


Now as I recall, back then, a presidents character had no bearing on his leadership skills. I am not defending Georgy. I am attacking the liberal double standards. Liberals follow there masters like sheep. Campaign on the issues. Never solve them. Instigate racism to gain political power. Then make claims of racism from elsewhere. (just one example) Never questioning. Never understanding.

How absolutely perfect and predictable of you. As I was typing "you must like being lied to" I almost typed your knee jerk Clinton response for you knowing it was sure to follow... the fact that you bring up Clinton's penis (like a well trained intern) and accusations of being SHEEPISH in the same kool-aid soaked breath is astounding. Yes, yes.... thank you oh non-sheep one for quoting Rush and Coulter to me. For you and you alone have lifted the veil of propaganda exposing who the REAL sheep are, who the REAL racists are, nay, the REAL nazis. Now awaken the rest of the masses from their dream... tell us about the War on Christianity... and how simple minded liberals are for spewing the rhetoric of their masters.

Got to run, I must go worship Al Franken and Mike Moore. Sheep that I be. If you had a clue what an idependent thought was, you'd realize most liberals don't give a damn about Hillary, George Clooney or any other straw man you erect to speak for me. Yet it seems I know your every argument and rebuttal by heart? Now how could THAT be?

B-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a...

Oh I know, my savior Barbara Streisand told me. Best not speak to me of sheep. I like mutton, and will grill you.

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It was predictable for one reason. I am right. No use denying the truth.

Originally posted by Seapeople
It was predictable for one reason. I am right. No use denying the truth.

Yes, Clinton lied as did "No new taxes" Bush 41 before him, and "I can't recall" Reagen before him. "I have lusted in my heart" Carter's problem was NOT lying, but Ford and Nixon did it too well.

So what? I understand you said you aren't defending George (because he's indefensible) but how are Republicans any better historically at breaking from the herd and not having double standards?

Sorry to have flamed, but this SHOULD be about Bush... not Clinton's penis, not all liberals.... Bush.

If you'd like to discuss the rest, I'd be happy to join you in the mudpit.

It is about time that someone from the adminstration started speaking the truth. Have seen an article this week on truthout.org about a Pentagon insider who says how things have become there since the Bush admin. Wish more would come out in the US media though. More is reported elsewhere. Wish more would come out about the Carlyle Group and Daddy Bush making a mint on munitions etc. Can only hope that the upcoming election isnt fixed (again) and we get a regime change!!!