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Originally posted by The Vagabond
I don't want to give you the wrong idea; I've got some serious problems with Ron Paul. I disagree with him on the place of religion in politics, I disagree with him on taxes, I disagree with him on the environment, on Healthcare, on school vouchers, on his nearly pacifist views, etc.
But considering the field right now, Ron Paul balanced by a Democrat-controlled Senate is easily one of the three best results a guy like me could hope for in this election.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
DJ- I get the impression you didn't read the whole post.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
I just don't think you should be throwing around such a hurtful loaded label like "Democrat" so haphazardly.
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life."
Originally posted by The Vagabond
There are many people around here who have followed Ron Paul for longer than I have and know considerably more about him than I do, and for the most part I would defer to them for matters of fact (I believe a lot of the info on him is spread over several threads around here).
A cursory but reasonably well sourced overview of his positions is available on wikipedia.
here.
On the subject of separation of church and state, Congressman Paul wrote in his "Texas Straight Talk" column,
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life."
To make a very long and irate rant very short and civil, I will say that a quick glance at Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and other writings of both Jefferson and Madison blows his interpretation right out of the water. In fact Madison used the words "perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters" (1822 letter to Livingston), and "line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority... entire abstinence of the government" (1832 letter Rev. Adams). Preferential treatment of a single religion is not less egregious than the prejudicial treatment of others, and his characterization is either ignorant or dishonest. Were more relevant constitutional rights not under more pressing threat, he'd be off my list over this.
Last but not least Ron Paul, as I understand it, does not believe in violence except for the explicit purpose of self defense. This is commendable. The problem is that I believe in international law, and I believe that force is foundational to law. If we didn't have cops, what kind of protection would our laws offer? I like him because I think I can count on him to get us out of Iraq, but at the same time I wouldn't want him if things were different because I couldn't count on him to get us into a fight that really needed fighting.
This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?
I want to close just by making sure I'm not misunderstood. I do have a beef with religion. I think it's ridiculous, has done at least as much harm as good in this world, and is one of the most dangerous forces humanity will ever know, right up there with racism, because it deals in absolutes not governed by reason.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
No, that wasn't a mistake. Yes, I know there's an "R" next to his name. Hear me out.
So far it's been a hell of a millenium for moderates.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
I don't want to give you the wrong idea; I've got some serious problems with Ron Paul.