U.S. referred to as The Homeland, connection to Nazi Germany?

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posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 08:47 AM
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I've been noticing over the past few months that many news articles dealing with terrorist threats and such have been referring to the United States as The Homeland. I can't help but be curious that perhaps those in power are slowly bringing this term into widespread circulation in preparation for a major move to suppress, perhaps violently, our basic rights, just as Adolph Hitler did when he started referring to Germany as the Motherland.

Here is just one example (and the one that got me thinking):

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and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the homeland.


Is there a connection? I hope not...




posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 09:10 AM
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Well with the demise of the nazis in germany they went to - north and south america. They had a lot of cash and most of the scientists ended up in top posts in the US. If you have lots of cash sitting in a bank could you groom future leaders of the US and given sufficient time and patience to carry out a plan (60+ years) could you see it through.

You would need highly placed politicians with links to the nazis to prove it.

The one thing about the U S of A is that money talks its the guy with the most bucks who usually wins the election, scary eh.

The true power is always just behind the throne with the ones pulling the strings. Who says germany lost the war they just adopted to a different strategy .



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 09:31 AM
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i thought Germany referred to itself as the 'Fatherland'
not the homeland.

and America always had a dichotomy as to its identity...
the Motherland=because of Lady Liberty
and a male identity =Uncle Sam, whenever strength was the point at hand

but 'Homeland' is a neutral identity



the only link or connection i see is the neocons that have this obsession with following a neo-fascist model...which is a rebirth of the older Nixon era, neo-nazi zealots...which grew from the operation paperclip elites from post WWII nazi germany setting up shop here



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio...but 'Homeland' is a neutral identity


I've always found the term 'Homeland' to be uncomfortably close to the German equivalent 'Heimat'...not that I have a problem with Germans, far from it. What does give me pause is that an increasingly militarised American regime chose a phrasology whose nuances reflect a fascist military dicatorship. I find it creepy...

The specific aspects of Heimat — love and attachment to homeland and the rejection of anything foreign — left the idea vulnerable to easy assimilation into the fascist "blood and soil" literature of the National Socialists.
en.wikipedia.org...
...but it's probably nothing...just something I ate.



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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I think you all are over thinking this by far. The term homeland is a general reference and has Nothing to do with Germany. All in means is the collection of core states and areas that make up the United States of America (50 States plus Washington, DC.) It doesn't include territories such as Puerto Rico or Guam.

Tim



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:32 AM
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Yes in Nazi Germany it was the Fatherland.

Homeland seems to be used pretty commonly by governments today in association with security.



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:36 AM
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Russia is the Motherland, Germany the fatherland, hope that clears that up. Now to the issue, there is a lot more than that term that lines up with Nazi Fascism. Look at the Enabling Act that Hitler had passed that gave him his powers, same as the Patrit Act. Look at hitler's Speeches about GOD and GOOD vs EVIL, sounds a lot like Bushler don't it? As hitler said, "How fortunate it is for leaders that MEN DO NOT THINK".

I think we are heading towards a GLOBAL NAZI / FASCIST state at least thats what they have in the plans for us...



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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Why not refer to us as a REPUBLIC instead of HOMELAND?
Phrasology always reeks of agenda.



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by shadow watcher
Why not refer to us as a REPUBLIC instead of HOMELAND?
Phrasology always reeks of agenda.


Yah...you ready for "The Department of Republican Security"?
I'm kidding...but then again I'm not, eh?



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by shadow watcher
Why not refer to us as a REPUBLIC instead of HOMELAND?
Phrasology always reeks of agenda.


Yah...you ready for "The Department of Republican Security"?
I'm kidding...but then again I'm not, eh?

Now that sounds a heck of a lot more fascist then the Department of Homeland Security, it sounds like one of Saddam's secret police forces.



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 02:45 PM
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lol I didnt think much of this topic when I first seen it until the next website I visted yahoo news I see this as the first artical..

"Report: Al-Qaida May Use Iraqi Network to Hit Homeland "

I about fell out of my seat... Isnt it Ironic dont ya think. funny.

source artical



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 02:53 PM
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wow they are fast... They changed the heading. I had my browser window still open see LINK for the origional.



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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As a US citizen who has spent over 50 years in the US, I don't ever remember growing up hearing the word "homeland" in reference to the US. Growing up after WW2, when I did hear "homeland" it was usually in reference to Germany.

Here is what I mean

The term is rarely used by common United States citizens to refer to their country, which made the chosen name sound odd to many. In a June 2002 column, Republican consultant and speechwriter Peggy Noonan expressed the hope that the Bush administration would change the name of the department, writing that "The name Homeland Security grates on a lot of people, understandably. Homeland isn't really an American word, it's not something we used to say or say now."

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And this is Peggy Noonan saying this! That says something right there!

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posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by GameSetMatch
wow they are fast... They changed the heading. I had my browser window still open see LINK for the origional.


I guess yahoo news is following ATS now. Talk about weird huh?

I bet they find their great sources from posters here in the 'breaking news' forum.


A 'homeland' is merely a place you come from. However, the 'Department of Homeland Security' does sound like an American version of the fascist secret police. Bush will now be known as Fuhrer and you are to refer to Cheney as Heinz Himmler!

Homeland Insecurity


The Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) was the main division of the Nazi SS, and the parent organization of the Gestapo. The German word "Reich" is untranslatable, but you couldn't come closer in contemporary English than the emotionally-laden Bush-era term "homeland." "Sicherheit" is always translated as "security," and "Hauptamt" literally means "main office," which could be reasonably translated as "department."

In 1967 Jim Garrison concluded that "In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society."


Homeland Security Act: Rise of US Police State


Homeland Security Act

The concerns of civil libertarians about incursions on civil liberties under the U.S.A. PATRIOT Act or Homeland Security Act do not begin to make a dent on public awareness (or in Bush policy-making) because they do not consider the Cheney Plan for Global Dominance. The Plan supersedes all.

Global domination is the universal dream of every secret warrior. As one of my students wrote in class a few years ago: "The two major Universal Drives seem to be Dominance (survival) and Sex (love). As long as these two conflicts don't arise, there is peace in the world." [10]

But, while everyone may share such drives, not everyone has "an inordinate sense of his own entitlement" [11] like Bush and those in his inner circle have.

If you have the underlying belief that you must dominate in order to survive, you are unlikely to have much concern for civil liberties.

The Homeland Security Act, like the PATRIOT Act, is a further incursion on American civil liberties. Both of these Acts arose out of a deeper background policy of global domination and disregard for the sanctity of individual human rights.





Hahah, what a joke. It seems I don't follow any of those rules.

I swear allegiance to no man or country.






Nazification of Germany vs Nazification of America (I don't know if 'nazification' is a word, but that's what the source says
).


Nazification of America


Early Warning



A voice from Nazi Germany


You think we live in a democracy? Looks like Bush wants you to 'heil' him!




The eagles in the background remind you of something? Rome, Nazi Germany anyone?


We're all prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

Doesn't sound very free to me!


One of the more interesting sources I found:

Fascist America in 10 steps


"Whenever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship."
-Harry S. Truman



Doesn't the truth hurt?



Here, do your own research. Click google



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:49 PM
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As an American I cant stand the idea of a Department of Homeland Security The entire term doesnt feel right or sound right.

It is a Department we didnt need before 9/11 and dont need it after 9/11.

All that was need was to beef up the anti terror units in the CIA and FBI and beef up border security. There was never any need for for some overwhelming beauricratic behemoth that wont work anyway.

Truth is if a group of individuals decide they are gonna carry out an attack and they are smart about it DHS nor anyone else in the FEDGOV are gonna be able to do a bloody thing about it. You cant stop a nutter or a group of nutters bent on destrction Oklahoma City and a bunch of assassinations throughout history have proved that.

Tommorrow if I park beside a car bomb and it goes off is there really anything that Homeland Security could have done, in short no, because anyone who can read instructions and keep his/her mouth shut will get the job done.

In short dont worry about Al Queda because if it happens it happens worry about Al Gonzales because thats something that can be fixed.



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
As an American I cant stand the idea of a Department of Homeland Security The entire term doesnt feel right or sound right.

It is a Department we didnt need before 9/11 and dont need it after 9/11.

All that was need was to beef up the anti terror units in the CIA and FBI and beef up border security. There was never any need for for some overwhelming beauricratic behemoth that wont work anyway.


I'll agree in this! More berocracy to drive us nuts. If the mission of the the Department of Homeland Security is "supposed" to be protecting us from attack, how is that different from what the Pentagon is "supposed" to be doing? I was under the impression that protecting the country was the job of the Department of Defense. If one DoD can't protect us, why the hell would we want two?


Let's do the smart thing and just overhaul what we've got, instead of creating more junk to fix.

Tim



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 02:32 PM
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I know what you mean, Ghost

I thought about why the choice of "homeland". If you used national and security, you'ld get the D of National Security, which sounds like the National Security Agency, which didn't protect us, despite billions and billions of $.

If you used Interior, you'ld get D of Interior Security, which would probably have to answer phone calls about campground reservations.

If you used Federal and security, one might wonder why the FBI couldn't protect us.

Territory would make people think about all the Territories the US has: American Samoa, Baker Island, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Guam, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Palmyra Atoll, Petrel Islands, Puerto Rico, Saipan, Serranilla Bank, U.S. Virgin Islands, Wake Island.
Citizens might understand why an item made in these places could be labeled Made In America. Or, why do we have these territories, etc.
Or, worse yet
, are we becoming part of Canada?

I think it was chosen either by A) someone in the administration who remembers his/her European heritage or B) someone who wants to make sure that many Americans forget their heritage once and for all and make America the new "homeland". Or possibly a C) someone in the administration thought it sounded good, without looking up a definition, and everyone else said "Yes".



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Russia is the Motherland, Germany the fatherland, hope that clears that up.


While it is traditional and customary for Germans to refer to Germany as The Fatherland, Hitler referred to Germany as The Motherland.

Example:


Again I must say here that we must always be guided by the fundamental principle that, as a preliminary to winning back lost provinces, the political independence and strength of the motherland must first be restored.

Mein Kampf - Volume II, Chapter XIII



Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
What does give me pause is that an increasingly militarised American regime chose a phrasology whose nuances reflect a fascist military dicatorship. I find it creepy...


Very well put, Johnny - you totally got across what I was attempting to say!





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