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Government Official Says 9/11 Directed Energy Weapon Research "Worthy"

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posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 08:05 AM
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The Director of Public Affairs at the Directed Energy Directorate, Air Force Research Laboratory/DEO-PA, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, says Dr Judy Wood's research on directed energy weapon usage at the World Trade Center is "interesting and worthy of further consideration".

See here for an image of the FAX sheet sent to Dr Wood's attorney, Jerry Leaphart: drjudywood.com...

The above FAX followed a letter sent by Dr Wood to a number of directed energy professionals: drjudywood.com...



Also of note: NIST emailed Dr Wood stating they need more time to respond to her Request for Correction: drjudywood.com...




posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 08:22 PM
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interesting. i just want this thread to show up in my 'my ats' page, so i'm responding.
the bump won't hurt, either.

i personally think beam weapons are a pretty good fit for the destruction observed.



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
i personally think beam weapons are a pretty good fit for the destruction observed.


How? What's the failure mechanism? Does it superheat the steel or what?



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by billybob
i personally think beam weapons are a pretty good fit for the destruction observed.


How? What's the failure mechanism? Does it superheat the steel or what?



See my blog below. Also see Dr Wood's site.

The Twin Towers did not "collapse", they were pulverized:

forum.911movement.org...




posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 12:37 AM
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For easier viewing, Dr Wood put the FAX gif image in an html page:

drjudywood.com...



posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by billybob
i personally think beam weapons are a pretty good fit for the destruction observed.


How? What's the failure mechanism? Does it superheat the steel or what?


well. i think of a piece of metal in the microwave.
i don't know what a beam weapon could do. would depend on the portion of the energy spectrum that was being excited, i guess.
don't get me wrong.

i am 'bad', because i don't throw arguments out just because they don't make complete sense to me.

i think a beam weapon could be 'tuned' to affect certain materials, like metal, MAYBE.
i don't think it has to be in space though. like any kind of 'bomb', it could be parked on the loading dock inside a truck.

there is simply too much we don't know about advances in science, in my opinion, to rule out nearly ANYTHING simply because it is 'beyond our ken'.

i just am pretty sure that there was an incredible force of destruction, and only a heavily preloaded building, or an exotic weapon can account for the DISSOLUTION of the towers.

i don't know, though. those 'demolition waves' really look like conventional weaponry. it's the 'sparkling', 'flashes', 'exploding cars', and 'steel turning to dust'(along with all the filing cabinets and people that were evaporated) and whatnot that, to me, don't really fit a conventional demolition scenario.



posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 01:35 PM
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CB, reread my post, and then try to answer my question, please. In other words, please be coherent. Thanks.


Originally posted by billybob
well. i think of a piece of metal in the microwave.
i don't know what a beam weapon could do. [...] there is simply too much we don't know about advances in science, in my opinion, to rule out nearly ANYTHING simply because it is 'beyond our ken'.


Well the reason I asked is because I can post pictures showing exactly where most of the columns failed, and therefore give a rough idea as to how most of them failed, and I'm pretty confused as to how any of it lines up with molecular excitation of any kind.

They look more like some kind of explosive was set into the floor (smooth, even cuts into the steel at locations other than the welds), and a small portion of core columns are warped and twisted around smooth curves that I've heard (non-conspiracy theory) experts say could only result from exposure to unbelievable ambient temperatures. Same goes for a massive beam covered in sulfidation recovered from WTC7.







Most of the perimeter columns, for example, failed right at the bolts, still in groups of three by the spandrel plate, and no visible damage at all to the bolt holes. How is this consistent with any kind of molecular excitation being the failure mechanism of these columns? I think we'd agree that it's an unnecessary reach. Those columns probably didn't need any devices for the most part once they started failing when the floors and core was being destroyed, because the bolts were being snapped when the columns started rotating on top of each other, unsupported by their neighbors when the corner connections and spandrel plates were failed. I'm not saying this was the case with all perimeter columns, but it looks like most of them. I have an aerial or satellite photo that even shows a large grid that appears to be still connected.







Judy Wood also claims that some upper percentage of the towers were completely vaporized. She also claims that the towers fell at the acceleration of gravity, which is ridiculously easy to disprove, but nonetheless, here is an image debunking the former claim:




Doesn't debunk it on its own, but it does coupled with any video showing WTC1's collapse from the North: these columns were ejected laterally some 600 feet from one of the upper floors of WTC1 as it collapsed, and after they came to rest photos were taken that show the same kinds of failures at the bolts as most other perimeter columns. In other words, the steel wasn't vaporized. It's still sitting right there, and it came from an upper floor.

A big chunk of WTC1's steel antenna is still intact, too, btw, for what it's worth:




So we have intact columns in almost pristine condition laying all around Ground Zero. Allegedly some percentage of the total steel was vaporized. Where are the partially vaporized columns? Was the beam smart enough to only vaporize whole structural units at a time?

Specifically, if anyone can lend credibility to this theory, I'd like to see partially vaporized steel from a perimeter column that isn't sulfidated or hasn't been contaminated in the process by another nearby chemical, as if there were extreme ambient temperatures doing the work and not a beam that only excites steel or etc. The reason I ask this condition is because I wouldn't be surprised if a miniature nuclear reaction was generated in the cores to cause instantaneous failures, even if a controlled, stable reaction that was simply used to generate some form of radiation that could fail the core instantly (and in reality, if any such beam weapons exist as Judy Wood half-describes, they would probably at least have to be powered by that kind of technology, if not better, because the energy required to vaporize the amount of steel Wood alleges is greater than the entire instantaneous power output of the entire world combined).

I've looked through thousands of Ground Zero debris images in maintaining the image library at Studyof911.com; to date I haven't seen a single such image. But I would be very interested if anyone has such evidence, which I don't think is too unreasonable to ask for given the theory being proposed here.

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posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 08:37 PM
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Some of the videos of the collapse repay repeated viewing. The following link to a video on another thread illustrates the point.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you look at the debris plummeting down as the tower collapses you will notice it trailing smoke all the way down. No flames. Just smoke. What's going on?

Also, note the pillar of black smoke that remains behind where the central core of the building should be standing. Why does that smoke remain at a higher altitude than the smoke cloud which follows the rest of the building down to the ground? Obviously the central core has not yet collapsed completely. We can see remnants of it finally fall in some clips. But why the smoke in the central core? And more importantly why no flames?

When we come to the final remnants of the central core that we do see going down, some bits of them seem to actually turn into wisps of smoke as they go down. No flames. What process is causing this? I have viewed these clips over and over carefully. I don't think I'm being confused by a lot of dust. There is something very strange going on. Kudos to Judy Wood for jumping on it.

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posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 04:36 AM
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bsbray11:

You ask questions that are not very relevant.

i.e. "Failure mechanism"? What's the purpose of getting into details such as this when the weapons in question are classified?

[edit on 19-7-2007 by CB_Brooklyn]



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 11:02 AM
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Well, CB, I'm going to claim that Jesus brought both towers down by some classified Israeli ritual, and that's the TRUTH! And Steven Jones is DISINFO! Because he's MORMON! Wake up and see the TRUTH!! But I can't prove it of course. What's the point in trying to prove it? It's the truth anyway. It couldn't have been anything else, even though I don't really have an idea of what I'm talking about.


I ask again, show me a partially vaporized column.



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 12:51 PM
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Not allowed to disclose some of the technology used. Original scenario, towers were full, tipped over sideways, killing more than 70,000 people. We took them down with a combination of maser(s) and conventional explosives. My concern is true motive. Was the primary purpose robbery? Greatest heist of gold and silver in history.
Islamic perps were funded by neo nazis. Same guys who tried to take out the federal reserve bank some years prior? Whom we let get away?
And is there a link to the Bush family? Want to see bank accounts.



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
If you look at the debris plummeting down as the tower collapses you will notice it trailing smoke all the way down. No flames. Just smoke. What's going on?


Does it look like this?:






The steel in the first image could possibly be "smoldering" because of neutron activation, but not much is actually vaporizing, and that wouldn't come in a beam from space, but more likely from some kind of nuclear device. The cloud left standing would be explained by that too, especially since it was more brown in color, which could be explained by sulfur reactions in the air that are also associated with nuclear reactions, and the sulfidated steel and steel with smooth, fracture-less curves that appear to have been created during exposure to extreme ambient temperatures.



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 06:45 PM
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Part of the problem is that most people are not aware of what is going on in the area of advanced explosive designs like mini nukes or scalar weapons. The average person is grasping to explain what he sees in the photos or videos.

I looked over the article by the Finnish military expert who suggested the use of mini nukes.

www.shoutwire.com...

The observed phenomena seem to fit his paradigm. A lot of the technical questions about radiation and presence or lack of steel in the dust at ground zero are beyond me, but one thing is very clear. The wreckage as it falls is emitting streams of smoke, not dust, smoke. Something, nuke or beam, I don't know what, generated a tremendous amount of heat during that "collapse".

For the curious here is a link to a video of the collapse of the skyscraper in Madrid that is so often cited in discussions about 911. Scroll to the bottom of the page.

oceanmirage.homestead.com...

It's quite a different picture from what was seen on 911. The video is worth a thousand words.



posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
Well, CB, I'm going to claim that Jesus brought both towers down by some classified Israeli ritual, and that's the TRUTH! And Steven Jones is DISINFO! Because he's MORMON! Wake up and see the TRUTH!! But I can't prove it of course. What's the point in trying to prove it? It's the truth anyway. It couldn't have been anything else, even though I don't really have an idea of what I'm talking about.



Perhaps if you rephrase the above without the double talk, people would understand what it is you're trying to say.



Originally posted by bsbray11
I ask again, show me a partially vaporized column.


I can't show something that did not exist.



posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 10:42 AM
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Some Evidence for Weapons using Energy that is Directed on 9/11




Round cylindrical holes in WTC 5 and WTC 6:




Clean vertical cut on north wing of WTC 4, where all material on other side of cut is missing:




WTC 4 cut in direct path of South Tower's north wall:




Cars with missing engine blocks and unexploded gas tanks:




Front of police car toasted while rear in pristine condition. Plastic red light on top survived:




Front of fire truck wilted. Where did its engine go?




Tower's steel core turned to dust: [Video 1], [Video 2], [Video 3]



posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 02:33 PM
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On the subject of beams:

Here are some links to photos of odd looking beams on the pile. What caused the oddities is anybody's guess. The "legal" authorities on the day prevented a thorough examination of the crime scene that might answer that question.

At lower right the connecting plate between beams. Note the jagged, almost snow-drift-like point at the edge of the plate:

army.firststrike.net...


Look at the edge of the perimeter beam at center. The lip on the edge of the beam seems to be gone:

army.firststrike.net...


The buckled beam at foreground appears to have bean eaten away on the inner side of the buckle. Not all of the beam's original material seems to be present:

army.firststrike.net...



The end of the beam at right, foreground. Are those welder's cuts made after a nice liquid lunch? Could be:

army.firststrike.net...


Structural steel bending like toffee rather than bending to a point and
snapping or cracking argues for the application of heat, a large amount of heat. Anyone who has worked with metal or who has seen photos of steel being rolled in a mill at a foundry will know that steel must be heated close to white hot to get it to behave that way, even wth massive pressure applied.

During that process much of the heat applied would be led away from the point of it's application. To get the steel to fail at one point you might have to have hundreds of feet of interconnected beams heated to red hot because of heat conduction. Look at the video of Madrid. There's an example of it. That's not what happened on 9/11.

Something else was going on, something unusual in the world of funny business. Something, a directed energy beam, a mini-nuke, something, very very rapidly applied tremendous heat to parts of that building leading to failure at points in advance of conduction of the heat along the length of the beams.



[edit on 21-7-2007 by ipsedixit]



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
Specifically, if anyone can lend credibility to this theory, I'd like to see partially vaporized steel from a perimeter column that isn't sulfidated or hasn't been contaminated in the process by another nearby chemical, as if there were extreme ambient temperatures doing the work and not a beam that only excites steel or etc.


Did ipsedixit's photos qualify?

One thing about your photos: the cuts look too clean... could these have been made after the fact by the clean-up crews with thermite cutters?

And, a question I would pose to Dr. Wood, since she is apparently a molten-metal denier (that & the no-plane sympathies, I really don't understand why she goes there)...
Insofar as Mr. Garcia writes...


we have conducted laboratory tests to evaluate the effects of laser energy on different materials. For the most part, those materials have been metals, not concrete structures. Effects on metals are from the heat generated by an intense beam of coherent light, which cause the metals to weaken and split. Given sufficient heat, metals would melt (become liquids) and, given significantly more heat, could turn to gases.


there are your molten metals. So, will she be changing her views on this issue?



posted on Jul, 24 2007 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by 0ivae
Did ipsedixit's photos qualify?


No. Look at them and look at what I'm asking for. The closest thing was a smoothly buckled set of three perimeter columns, as if they were heated to being soft. The rest showed failures as I described them, failures at the bolts for perimeter columns. I saw in one image shearing at the spandrel plate on one set of columns.



One thing about your photos: the cuts look too clean... could these have been made after the fact by the clean-up crews with thermite cutters?


No, believe it or not, most of the core columns apparently failed that way. And there's evidence to suggest that it wasn't at the welds, either.





we have conducted laboratory tests to evaluate the effects of laser energy on different materials. For the most part, those materials have been metals, not concrete structures. Effects on metals are from the heat generated by an intense beam of coherent light, which cause the metals to weaken and split. Given sufficient heat, metals would melt (become liquids) and, given significantly more heat, could turn to gases.



The problem is that generating a beam with 100% energy efficiency (ALL energy going ONLY towards failing the steel in the towers), then you still have to generate more instantaneous power than all of the generators in the world combined could produce.

And the lasers aren't able to go through steel, to cut other steel, without cutting the first steel that it went through! Ie, there aren't failures on the roof or the floors in between, but one floor of the towers gives way and just up and drops onto everything below. If it was a space beam then why the hell were the top floors still intact with such a incomprehensibly power-consuming beam going through them?

Not to mention, as I'm trying to show, there is no physical evidence left over from the tower rubble to suggest the towers were brought down by immense energy in a beam. Generally speaking, perimeter columns failed at the bolts and core columns were cut evenly at the floors.


Out of all the leftover steel columns and beams, not one is partially vaporized? Who thinks its very likely that a space beam came down and 100% obliterated some columns, and didn't even scratch any others? CB put it best himself when he said "I can't show something that did not exist." That's kind of science's major underlying principle thus far: to be able to show things that do exist. That's science.

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