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Crowley Was Hitler?

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posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 08:09 PM
In case you're wondering what happens to an Illuminati whistle blower:

posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Getsmart
That Frau Angela Merkel was produced with Hitler's sperm by artificial insemination into Eva Braun's sister Gretl was verified by Stasi records as well as giving her real planified birth date as Adolph's, the 20th of April.

Now you didn't mention it but it does seem that not only did this scenario occur but Angela Merkel's mother "Herlind Kasner" is in fact Gretl herself. Just look at the physical similarities especially the cheekbones and eyes. %3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

[edit on 10-12-2008 by Osiris1953]

posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 05:19 PM
Osiris 1953,

That is one substantial contribution you made, a photo taken by Hugo Jaeger in 1939 and a recent picture of Angela Merkel's mother under the assumed name of Herlind Kasner!

To make the comparison easier, I downsized Gretl to approximately the same size as Herlind, and placed them side by side:

For a view of Angela Merkel and her biological father, here's the twosome:

We can thus better appreciate this image, knowing that Hitler was Crowley's Magic Child and that Georgie is Crowley's grandson, a touching reunion with proper salute:

Let us rest assured that the world is in good hands, given their choice of puppets.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Getsmart]

posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 05:55 PM
reply to post by Getsmart

That is one substantial contribution you made, a photo taken by Hugo Jaeger in 1939 and a recent picture of Angela Merkel's mother under the assumed name of Herlind Kasner!

Is this the same lady featured an another thread (going on today) that went on the record saying that according to her, Hitler was not a bad guy?

posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 10:02 PM
reply to post by Getsmart

Thank you for your compliment. As soon as you had mentioned Gretl, the first thing that popped into my mind was the possibility of Gretl continuing on with an assumed name, and decided to compare photographs. As far as I'm concerned the physical similarities are too similar to be mere coincidence... and yes Angela does look an awful lot like Hitler. This is very rare that I will come right out and say I absolutely believe something that could be considered a fringe theory.... but it does seem that Angela Merkel is the daughter of Hitler.

I'd also like your opinion on this thread:'

Talk to you later.

posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 10:03 PM
reply to post by 12.21.12

Different lady, but the article linked in the thread your are referring to is quite interesting. You should check it out.

posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 07:26 AM

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Is this the same lady featured an another thread (going on today) that went on the record saying that according to her, Hitler was not a bad guy?

The other lady was just one of Hitler's chamber maids who got up at dawn to bring him breakfast and only lived with him for a couple of years in servants quarters (sharing a room with her sister above Hitler's bedroom from which they often heard him crying).

The person we are interested is far more than an anecdote in Hitler's life. Some have even supposed that Eva Braun had an affair with Gretl's husband and that Gretl married him so that Eva could carry on unnoticed. You will notice that much is said. However, there is considerable plausibility to the Stasi records by virtue of their usual reliability in other circumstances, the fact that Angela Merkel's official Stasi birth date is April 20th (Adolph's birth date) and that the main Nazi scientist usually attributed as being the father of artificial insemination was taken to the East with frozen semen and Gretl Braun.

Add to the cocktail of presumed historical accounts, however easy to rebut, the uncanny resemblance of Gretl and Angela's mother, plus that of Merkel and Adolph, and figure it out for yourself. It is of course, like much else of reality, strictly a matter of opinion and conviction. Don't forget the smell test of intuition. Sometimes things that look right don't feel right, something stinks, but who knows what. And the reverse can also hold true, some things (like the Bush family being German born Nazi 5th column infiltrators) don't seem rational, yet somehow it seems evident intuitively. Everything they've said and done rings true with that hypothesis, especially at this date the Nazi continuum metaphor of "Building the Thousand Year Reich upon the Ashes of America". Well, we're not in ashes just yet, but getting pretty close thanks to Herr Bush!

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 04:12 PM
Hi Osiris1953,

Those other threads are indeed interesting and I put up some info there, including your photos of Herlind Kasner and Gretl. This is really an eye opener, although people I meet and tell about this expectedly say "How can you know it is true, people can say anything on the internet and it is all unverifiable". Clearly some have little skill in interfacing conflicting and converging information or creating constructs of reality and testing them in the light of competitive hypotheses. Investigative logic is at least as important, if not more, than fact checking. Of course the later is evidently essential for final validation, but in the absence if this possibility we must at least entertain plausible alternative interpretations rather than buy official lies by virtue of their "official" status, especially as we all know how the official rubber stamp has often served to falsify the facts to preclude effective independent investigation.

Here is a link to another witness from the "good old days", but later when they were tearing each other up in the bunker. The article is in Swedish and the witness was a nurse who says she was attending to Eva Braun who was apparently pregnant, possibly thanks to an intervention by Gretl's husband? The article mentions a love triangle. Apparently Hitler might have had a fertility issue due to a physical handicap (single testicle and lord knows what else) making him an unlikely candidate as the father.

Here is a free online Swedish translator in which you can paste the above URL to get an approximation of the text content. Don't expect perfect English but something somewhat comprehensible if you have sufficient deductive skills (Paste in the above URL link and then Select Swedish in the LEFT box and English in the RIGHT box): h-translator.htm

It is mentioned, and this concords with the testimony of the officer who presided the court martial of Gretl's husband, Hermann Fegelein, and said that they decided to postpone the court martial because he was stinking drunk and even soiled his clothing in their presence, Fegelein was not condemned for desertion according to military law but sentenced to execution by Hitler for other reasons. His revenge may have been total, himself getting Fegelein's wife Gretl pregnant with Angela Merkel, artificial insemination vindication this insult to the Fuhrer.

Thus, not only Angela Merkel is the sole known descendant of Adolph, but she also incarnates his ultimate victory over traitors and deserters, let they be in advance forewarned. What became of Eva and her baby is as unknown as what became of Hitler. One would imagine that one of the few reliable sources would be Herlind Kasner herself, or her daughter who would seemingly be informed of the fate of her Aunt, her Cousin and especially, for any pan Germanic convinced nostalgic of the Reich, her Vater.

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 05:23 PM
Regarding the Thread Topic, for myself (and myself only, of course) I have determined that it is highly unlikely that Hitler was, at least physically, for any extended period of time other than during his early years as an "unknown", a substitute for Hitler.

This does not mean that Crowley did not personally select Hitler for his role, grooming him to his rise through occult secret societies of which he was honorary Grand Master of most. This claim merits examination, that is that Crowley fastidiously screened hundreds if not thousands of potential candidates without their consent or knowledge, to find the ONE who would become his Magic Child and bring forth Hell on Earth. Hitler is said to have been retained for his resemblance with Crowley and his astrological chart.

What might also be interesting, regarding Crowley, is that he is probably the father of Barbara Pierce and thus the Grandfather of the current occupant of the White House.

Barbara Bush was born Barbara Pierce, daughter of Pauline Pierce, but not daughter of Marvin Pierce. After Pauline's first two children, she traveled to Europe and spent several years with Frank harris and Aleister Crowley. Though Pauline was married to Marvin Pierce, Marvin did not accompany her during her long stay with the Occultic, sexually explicit Aleister Crowley...

...Crowley focused his attention on sex magick. Not many years previously, he and a follower named Jeanne Foster (a.k.a. Soror Hilarion) had conducted a sex-magickal rite designed to give birth to a child destined to carry on Crowley's work...

...Pauline no doubt scandalized her social circle by traveling to France on her own and leaving two very young children in the care of nursemaids. However, her correspondence with her friend -- whose life in France with a famous literary figure must have seemed quite glamorous -- can only have inspired a sense of wanderlust. Her husband, increasingly bound to his duties with the McCall Corporation, did not share this spirit of adventure...

...Pauline returned to America in early October of 1924. On June 8, 1925, she gave birth to a girl named Barbara. Barbara Pierce married George H.W. Bush, who eventually became the 41st President of the United States.

Now, more than 80 years later, the story about the Bush's lives connects with the man who claimed to "give birth to the 20th century" inspiring the New World Order and Occultist influence of many of the political leaders today.

Here is a link to the external source:

For many people, this seems hard to believe but sometimes pictures speak louder than words. There is in most people's estimation more than a passing resemblance between Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush. When you cross reference such flagrant similarities in physical appearance with the fact that Barbara's mother became pregnant with another man than her husband and had spent her time with Crowley, things look less wacky.

We can rest assured that Crowley's wishes have been met. His mission has continued well into the 21st Century after he brought the rule of the Beast 666 into the 20th. His daughter, son in law, grandson have labored hard to bring forth his rule. Crowley fancied himself the Anti-Christ. If he did indeed hand pick Hitler, and then produced offspring such as the satanist New World Order Bush legacy, it is difficult to dispute this claim.

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 05:45 PM
Add to this the fact that George Herbert Walker Bush was a practicing Satanist since being tapped as a member of the Occult Secret Society Skull and Bones headquartered on the Campus of Yale University, then you well understand how he would seek social and political advancement in said satanist power structures by marrying the daughter of The Beast 666. As a not so amusing anecdote, if you notice Barbara Crowley's finger in front of her mouth, this is the sign meant to caution to silence respective to ritual human sacrifices. The fountain in the Skull and Bones courtyard shows 2 skeletons above the baptismal blood receptacle both doing the same identical gesture:

In the next picture you can better see the entire fountain and its basin used to collect the blood of sacrificial victims during initiation rituals. Some initiates have been known to be severely traumatized by what goes on there.

There is clearly a multi-generational satanic obedience in the Bush Family which is not difficult to establish from their historical repeat membership in Skull and Bones and their professed public brandishing of the most notorious of all satanic hand signs, also known as the "devil's horns", starting with Bush 41 and his son and daughter-in-law:

We can see that some signal with more gregarious conviction than others:

And this moves along to yet another generation:

In contrast, Dick Cheney who shoots his own guests is starting to look like the nice guy.

But then again, isn't he also one of THEM...?

Let us face it. Crowley may well have been Hitler, at least in terms of designating him initially right after World War I and using Tavistock and the Thule Society to make his creation, his Magic Child, the most famous incarnation of Evil of the 20th Century if not of world history.

Furthermore, let us also take stalk. Aleister Crowley has spread his seed of Evil both in spirit and in body. This has infiltrated the political arena throughout the world. To see only some of those who are not even afraid of broadcasting their satanist convictions and practices by public hand signs, take a look at this external source which shows some people you might not expect. This, of course, is only a tiny sampling of those in positions of power who practice such occult religious practices for the purposes of power, perversion, domination and the furthering of an evil agenda of a New World Order under Satan:

The Cult of Satan: Satanic Hand Signs by World Leaders

It is alarming to find the current President of the European Union, who works hand in hand with Hitler's daughter, as well as the forthcoming First Family in this "good company". There is definitely something very wrong going. And it is up to us to alert others and do something about it.

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 06:19 PM
You guys haven't brought an interesting part of the story, for which there is substantiation.

It was discovered in the files of a deceased American literary agent, a partially completed diary by Hitler's own sister in-in-law, the Irish born Brigit. In it, she tells how Adolph, evading the draft in 1912 or so, showed up on the doorstep of his half brother, in Liverpool. He stayed for a few months, never could get a grasp of the culture or language, had a bad time, and left.

Now one's first inclination is to take this as an obvious fake or hoax, but the manuscript checks out as authentic, given there are verified details only someone very close to the extended family could possibly know. The otherwise undocumented stay in England only takes up 3-4 pages of the prtially completed book, and there's no sensationalism. The deceased literary agent and Brigit H seemingly made little if any attempt to exploit the bombshell nature of this manuscript.

It's available in book form and there's sure to be info on it online.

Mike F

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 07:26 PM
You guys all seem to be very informed. I am impressed with all the research you guy have put fourth and offered in this thread. Whether Crowley was Hitler or not I hope this thread continues until we can piece together the truth about Crowley and his Hitler/Bush connection.

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Getsmart

Let us rest assured that the world is in good hands, given their choice of puppets.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Getsmart]

Wow, their eyes appear to be incredibly similar in this picture.

But oh, by the way guys the "devil's horns" hand signal is actually the VW owners symbol, though Hitler was a fan of Volkswagen I heard, OMG maybe that's where it came from!!!

posted on Dec, 14 2008 @ 10:47 PM
Great post, i was blown away after reading the op's link. It seemed unlikely to me at first but after reading the article it didn't seem so crazy anymore. Hitlers time in the military hospital would have been a perfect opportunity for the switch! Another interesting theory is that MR. Crowley was jack the ripper as a 13 year old boy! Prince Eddy of the British Royal Family (Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale) was sometimes said to visit the Cleveland Street sauna baths. But there was another Little Eddie in the same murky dwelling. He was one of the telegraph messenger "rent boys" or liveried squires that filled the baths and laundered the towels (according to "Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution" by Stephen Knight, published in 1976). As soon as the stabbing rumors started, he changed his name and slipped through the police dragnets. Edward Alexander Crowley changed his name to "Aleister" after he was about 14 years old. ("Edward did not seem to suit me and the diminutives Ted or Ned were even less appropriate.") But he didn't change his handwriting very much:

[edit on 14-12-2008 by neil a]

posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 03:00 AM
Regarding Hitler's heirs in today's geopolitical strategic arena, we can find another interesting connection respective to Angela Merkel's family heritage.

Her mother, Margarethe (Gertl) Braun was, as was her aunt Eva Braun, born of Fritz and Franziska Braun. While Gertl's mother Franziska was the daughter of a veterinary surgeon in Oberpfaltz province, her father Fritz was related to Wernher von Braun who participated in the secret Nazi UFO projects (and of course designed the notorious V1 and V2 rockets which bombed London) and then moved them to the USA during operation Paperclip under the guise of the head of obsolete rocket science at NASA.

There are apparently many blatant mysteries which demand clarification, as so little truth is manifest in the official versions of many chapters of history. Why, of all the fanatically devoted beauties venerating Hitler, did he choose as his companion Eva Braun? Was she held hostage in a gilded cage by the Illuminati bosses behind Hitler and the Nazi movement? What better place than in plain view to keep her within reach, and to keep Von Braun in line, loyal and dedicated?

Also, Eva knew something about Hitler which she was not to reveal. Before their notorious "liaison" she worked for Heinrich Hoffman who was a friend of Hitler and a photographer. He had many pictures of Hitler taken at different dates, something we might today call photographic evidence. In the case of a switch, he would not only know of the subterfuge, but would have undeniable proof in his possession. We will note that despite being a close friend of Hitler and of Eva Braun, Heinrich Hoffman was sent to a certain death on the Russian Front by Hitler (or his replacement) because he apparently had "negatives of some early Hitler photos which were not very flattering". In the case of a switch they would of course be quite compromising.

Also, Hitler latched onto Eva in 1932 immediately after the "suicide" of his niece Geli with whom Hitler was said to have been in love. She would have been the first to notice his replacement with a look alike. She was claimed to have shot herself due to Hitler's lack of attention, quite a likely story if you consider that it was Hitler who is said to have been in love with her! Putting two and two together, her sudden violent death and the almost simultaneous rise to eminence of a key witness to Hitler's earlier years possibly possessing photographic evidence of his early portraits, there is room to envisage that there was indeed a switch.

For ATSers who can travel to Germany and who wish to investigate this very important lead, the nephew of Heinrich Hoffman kept on the photo business and is said to have later found the negatives in his uncle's shop. We can only speculate as to whether these photos show Hitler before and after as being different men, or even if Eva Braun and Heinrich Hoffman were a party to the process, helping identify in detail Hitler's physical traits to help perfect his double, possibly with photographs of the entire duplication process showing each stage of the surgical modifications?

While the official story goes that Hitler and Eva were madly in love, how can you explain the numerous eye witness accounts of Eva's romantic entanglement with Gretl's husband. One can even presume that it is in agreement with the entire power establishment above and behind Hitler that Gretl married Eva's boyfriend so that he could be discretely at her beck and call. One can even go so far as to wonder if, after assisting in the duplication process in Hoffman's photo lab, Eva didn't become the Illuminati secret agent "Handler" of Hitler, given that often times the women behind the scenes are often used to control and orient the actions of puppets.

There is definitely a hidden story which still remains to be fully brought to the light of day. Yet further evidence that the Illuminati, the supposed enlightened ones, are instead the Obscuranti, those who darken the light.

posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:36 PM
I found this guy who was linked to Aleister Crowley and moved to the USA from Germany after the war, died in California in 1962.His name is Karl Germer.

By the end of the war, the only surviving O.T.O. body was Agapé Lodge in California, although there were various initiates in different countries. Very few initiations were being performed. At this time, Karl Germer, who had been Crowley’s representative in Germany, migrated to America after being released from Nazi confinement. On March 14, 1942, Crowley appointed him as his successor as Outer Head of the Order,[12] and Germer filled the office after the death of Crowley in 1947.

Heres a picture

More about him here

EDIT: Link

[edit on 15-8-2009 by 12.21.12]

posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:43 PM
Now look heres another Germer...His name is Adolph Germer. Died in Rockford, IL in 1964.

Adoph Germer (Jan. 15, 1881 — 1964) is best remembered as National Executive Secretary of the Socialist Party of America from 1916 to 1919. It was during this period that the Left Wing Section of the Socialist Party emerged as an organized faction. Germer was instrumental as one of the leaders of the SPA's "Regular" faction in orchestrating a series of suspensions, expulsions, and "reorganizations" of various Left Wing states, branches, and locals and thereby controlling the pivotal 1919 Emergency National Convention of the SPA, and thus forcing the Left Wing to establish new organizations of their own, the Communist Labor Party and the Communist Party of America.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by 12.21.12]

[edit on 15-8-2009 by 12.21.12]

posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:15 PM

Originally posted by KTK
This one is almost as cool as the Crowley being the father of Barbera Bush theory. That would make George W, Hitlers grandson.


Take a Barbara Bush picture, and place it side by side with a picture of Crowley, and see for yourself, it almost looks like Crowley in drag I swear, thing is you start talking about stuff like that, and things start to happen, that's why IMO all the web site stories of it seemed to vanish one by one.

have a look and see for yourself it's uncanny.

[edit on 15/8/2009 by azzllin]

posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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This one is my favorite.

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