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Topic started on 15-7-2007 @ 12:35 PM by UM_Gazz

Marine: Unit Was Ordered to 'Crank Up Violence Level' in Iraq


www.foxnews.com
CAMP PENDLETON, California — A Marine corporal said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to "crank up the violence level," the Los Angeles Times reported.

Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas.

"We were told to crank up the violence level," the newspaper quoted Lopezromo as saying in testimony for the defense.
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 01:23 PM by UM_Gazz
Other testimony from this Marine which is worthy of highlighting here from the above linked news article:


"I don't see it as an execution, sir," he told the judge, according to the newspaper. "I see it as killing the enemy."

He said Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency.

"Because of the way they live, the clans, they're all in it together," he said.

Source


They see all Iraqi men as part of the insurgency?

The failure to make any distinction between friendly Iraqis and the enemy, leaves me also wondering how many soldiers are thinking this way, and are they conditioned to think this way?

If so then ALL Iraqi men would be legitimate targets in this "war". Right?


reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 02:22 PM by Comforter
There are a few cases against the little pink pill that keeps giving. Lariam used for malaria by the troops are laced with a chemical that lowers a person’s kill threshold. It was designed for about six months use. Depending on the individual they can experience flash backs and extreme anger and hallucinations up to five years from the last dose.
Suggest anyone coming back invest in a private sauna.

I pushed a senator into investigating contractor money be directed to insurgent supporters. Decided to take the money I was offered not to release electronic files proving this seeing as many of the people I was working with specialize in shallow graves. It was that or stand once again in unemployment with only my integrity to keep me company. I look on it as at least costing the “company” a little money.

How has the story of the Ukrainians half hearted effort to blow up the largest weapons depot in Iraq never made it out? From the start of the war and even a year later you could see mounds of 40mm mortar ammo with the guts removed for improvised explosives all around the area.
Now of course state of the art is brought in by camel caravans.

Pushing up the violence is no surprise to me. The powers that be did not start this war and invest money back into expanding it just to bring it to an end. There are large profits being made and will continue to be made until someone gets enough solid evidence to shut the operation down. Or the US over extends and breaks down.

PS the Iron Mountain Think Tank in 1962 suggested several "Bush Wars" to keep the economy afloat just before "environmental restitution".
Odd choice of words I thought.


reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 03:08 PM by 12m8keall2c
Originally posted by Comforter
There are a few cases against the little pink pill that keeps giving. Lariam used for malaria by the troops are laced with a chemical that lowers a person’s kill threshold. It was designed for about six months use. Depending on the individual they can experience flash backs and extreme anger and hallucinations up to five years from the last dose.
Suggest anyone coming back invest in a private sauna.


Larium is one thing, but What's this chemical that lowers a person’s kill threshold?

I pushed a senator into investigating contractor money be directed to insurgent supporters. Decided to take the money I was offered not to release electronic files proving this seeing as many of the people I was working with specialize in shallow graves. It was that or stand once again in unemployment with only my integrity to keep me company. I look on it as at least costing the “company” a little money.


Any chance you could elaborate on Your claims of "contractor funds" being diverted to support of Insurgnet activities? ... it'd be most appreciated.


How has the story of the Ukrainians half hearted effort to blow up the largest weapons depot in Iraq never made it out? From the start of the war and even a year later you could see mounds of 40mm mortar ammo with the guts removed for improvised explosives all around the area.
Now of course state of the art is brought in by camel caravans.


Not that I'm lazy, but I'm having a bit of difficulty finding any reference(s) to your claims of Ukranian attempts at blowing up munitions depots. (?)

Care to clarify?

Pushing up the violence is no surprise to me. The powers that be did not start this war and invest money back into expanding it just to bring it to an end. There are large profits being made and will continue to be made until someone gets enough solid evidence to shut the operation down. Or the US over extends and breaks down.


I can't really argue with you on most of the above, but it would seem that the "solid evidence" is held in the same realm as that of the KFC recipe. (?)

PS the Iron Mountain Think Tank in 1962 suggested several "Bush Wars" to keep the economy afloat just before "environmental restitution".
Odd choice of words I thought.


Again ... I'd be interested to see/read more supportive documentation for such claims.


Thanks for the post, Comforter.

 


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[edit on 15-7-2007 by 12m8keall2c]


reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 03:33 PM by UM_Gazz
Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Larium is one thing, but What's this chemical that lowers a person’s kill threshold?


Something that could actually lend some credibility to Comforter's claim from the FDA article you linked to:


..but in rare instances it has been associated with serious psychiatric adverse events.


And more significantly:


Specifically, the Lariam Medication Guide instructs patients who experience a sudden onset of certain psychiatric adverse events – anxiety, depression, restlessness or confusion – to contact a doctor or other healthcare provider because it may be necessary to stop taking Lariam and use another malaria prevention medicine.

Sometimes these psychiatric adverse events may persist even after stopping the medication. Some rare reports have claimed that Lariam users think about killing themselves. There have been rarer reports of suicides, although FDA does not know if Lariam use was related to these suicides.


This from a drug designed to help prevent malaria?

Wow!

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