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posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
So the masons will have a list of children, where they live, hair color, age, sex, height, and much more.. A pedophiles dream huh???

With all the child sex porn rings and missing children going into these rings, I would be very leary of putting my child ona list that would help a pedophile pick them out like a sears catalog...

THANKS BUT NO THANKS



You are one sick individual, why don't you do some research before you spout your hatred,the masons don't keep ANY of the info, they pay for the packages out of their own lodges money, they work with the police to make these kits and the parents get the ONLY copy. You insinuating that I or the people I meet with that consistently work to better humanity on a local level are child molesters is sickening, and just shows what depths you will stoop to to try to discredit Freemasonry.What good do you do for society? Sit around with paranoid delusions and post blatant lies on a conspiracy website? Way to elevate humanity, we should all be proud of you.




posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:48 PM
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Even though most posters ignored that one of the first things mentioned was that the masonichip would NOT be implanted, but held by the parents in case their child goes missing...It sounds like the first step to have implanted chips come in later. No matter how charitable & altruistic the reasons for such actions, there will be someone to come along & abuse it.

Overall, if anyone tries to implant chips in me or mine, whether it's Masons, Government, Church or anybody, they'll have to wind up implanting our corpses. Far better to become slabs of meat than live like cattle.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:51 PM
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Yeah I ignored that point, sorry, not sure if it was even posted when I was writing my reply. Well the chips are coming anyway and I dont believe the people will stop them. Make life more 'convinient' and 'increase safety' with them and everyone will be happy to get one.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:59 PM
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first off Rockpuck and blaine91555 i never said they were chipping kids i said this could lead to the chipping of people. i also stated they give you a disc that has your childs information on it.

also im not trying to say this is a bad thing because it is a good thing. Im trying to say this could lead to bad things.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Even though most posters ignored that one of the first things mentioned was that the masonichip would NOT be implanted, but held by the parents in case their child goes missing...It sounds like the first step to have implanted chips come in later. No matter how charitable & altruistic the reasons for such actions, there will be someone to come along & abuse it.

Overall, if anyone tries to implant chips in me or mine, whether it's Masons, Government, Church or anybody, they'll have to wind up implanting our corpses. Far better to become slabs of meat than live like cattle.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]


I agree with you wholeheartedly there, the potential abuses of what could be done with an actual implanted microchip by far outweigh any "supposed" benefits that they may have.Could a real microchip control heart rate,breathing,or potentially minds? Could we be on our way to hive mentality and groupthink?Time and time again, today's science fiction has become tomorrows science.


KTK

posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Im not sure i understand how this information would help find a missing child once they have been taken. Or is the information used for identification purposes in a worst case scenario?


Previous posts have said prevention, supervision and education is the best defense and i would agree with that. Could someone enlighten me as to how information gathering helps?


Please note i am not mason bashing, i stongly adhere to the ats respect code. I just would like clarification as to how this works.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:07 PM
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hello,
I run the CHild Id Program for my lodge in NY...

It has nothing to do with any stored info or the alike. Nor does it have to do with micro chipping. The info is put into a format that is directly up loadable to the amber alert system. The benifits of the ChIP program unlike that of some run by law enforcement is that no copy is made beyond the CD that which is given to the parent. In the event that something happends this can be given to an officer and uploaded from his car into the amber alert system as stated above

Also understanding Masonic ideals one might see that chipping in the sense put forth would or may go against personal freedoms we hold dearly as well as the idea of self determination and control of ones own (Path) destiny.





[edit on 7/15/2007 by MikeAtlas]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by KTK
Please note i am not mason bashing, i stongly adhere to the ats respect code. I just would like clarification as to how this works.

I agree with this too. As for me, I have a strong & deep respect for the Constitution & what it stands for...After all, there were Masons with guiding hands involved in the genius of that document.
What I'm against would be the enforced chipping of people as if they're cattle instead of human beings. As long as the chip technology remains voluntary in all respects, then I've got nothing against it...It's when it comes down to enforced chipping is when it violates the very principles that the Constitution stands for.


[edit on 15-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by thesun
Since there is no real expalanation to the missing children phenomenom, why should they not be chipped, i dont see anything evil or bad about this, the only prblem i see here is data protection.


It all depends on Perception. And these sort of issues that we dont really know what their full intentions are, we must assume every possibility, both evil neafarious schemes and also for the benefit of America. These things are hard to debate if their good or bad, good or evil, etc. because its really open to interpretation and based on your perception of things and what you beileive, its all opinion.

But my opinion is that its the predecessor to chipping the whole world for nefarious deeds, either personal gain or NWO-status evil.

Time will tell...........


PS I am too not Mason bashing or putting the blame on the Masons or anything. Its more than likely (or certainly) on the basis of helping kids.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by jar.jock]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:32 PM
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heres the wikipedia link wich has the links to every states masonichip site.

en.wikipedia.org...


note>>> this program is only going on in 13 states.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:34 PM
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The innocence alleged by the fact that the materials are all given to the parents is a hard one to beat. The only down side I see is the conditioning aspect; but as a parent I have to say that I want a picture and prints and blood type, etc, for my kid's at all times just in case the unthinkable happened, and many parents will not take the time to put together all that stuff, a picture, identifying marks, prints or whatever, and have it on a format that can be readily used to help.

Sorry, as cautious as I am about government intrusions and monitoring, in this particular case I have to side with getting the info to the parents for safekeeping in case of an emergency. For sure, I would be totally against any attempt to allow the Mason's or any other entity keeping any part of the records whatsoever, that is a deal breaker. But if it can be proven that the technology that these firms and organizations and agencies use CANNOT keep or duplicate the records, then OK by me.

Does anyone have specific knowledge about the machines and their internal capabilities? Hmmm, as a paranoid type I might wonder what chip's are INSIDE the machine instead of if they are inside the people. Perhaps there is software that shunts a copy of every file into a place where only a certain access will allow viewing? Do we really KNOW that these machines are ' clean ' and UNABLE to retain info? Worth finding out about; another deal breaker.

It is for sure on the edge but for now with no proof of retaining capabilities I would say protect the kid's and get the info out to as many people as possible, just in case. The odds are greater that a truly horrible crime may be prevented or at the very least revenged, than that a lesser crime will occur as a result of misplaced trust. For now, it seem's OK.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by MikeAtlas
hello,
I run the CHild Id Program for my lodge in NY...

It has nothing to do with any stored info or the alike. Nor does it have to do with micro chipping.


We should flatout say NO to these things, you're not doing anyone a favour, you're just scaring people into thinking they need one of these and in the end they're just there to lower the bar on what is acceptable.
Yes you're giving them away, but look at how you're trying to "sell it", by adding a counter that almost a million kids have vanished. That on it's own is utter nonsense without a context and pure fearmongering.
"100 kids a year are murdered".

And you come onhere, acting like you're somehow doing humanity a favour? Either you're trying to fool us or you've been fooled. But I'm sure you thought about that before spewing around this nonsense.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
Hmmm, as a paranoid type I might wonder what chip's are INSIDE the machine instead of if they are inside the people. Perhaps there is software that shunts a copy of every file into a place where only a certain access will allow viewing? Do we really KNOW that these machines are ' clean ' and UNABLE to retain info?

If the software used is in any way related (however distantly) to Microsoft Windows, you would be best to call off the deal; Every version of Windows is systematically imbedded with hidden spyware.
I know, I know...You click on the link & it doesn't work. There is a "four-letter-word" as part of the web address. After you click on the link, you'll need to change the address in your browser direction: The actual link address should say: http://#microsoft.com/content/ms-hidden-files.shtml, but you'll have to replace the ATS-generated number-sign (#) with the four-letter "F" word.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 08:03 PM
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I would like to point something out. the people who thought that this was a chip and said it was a good thing, I personally would question your ability To reason. Why do people want to line up like robots and fall into the trap of so called good intention? I just dont get it i guess. Do any of you remember the movie demolition man. Ill be the guy living down in the sewers eating rat burgers and doing everything possible to disrupt the controlling powers above the ground. Wake up people! your rights are gone and next all your freedom will be also.

The only thing that would help authorities with this packet is to identify your child in case they where found dead. Here is what the packet contains.

1- Digital photographs
2- Digital fingerprints
3-Child information and emergency contact. ( they dont tell you what this info may be on there site.)
4- Dental bite impressions
5- Two (2) laminated i.d. cards

You could get the photos yourself and have digital fingerprints done at most police stations. Why would you risk giving this info to some organization that most likely the people having this service done know nothing about. There is no such thing as free. there is always a catch somewhere along the way.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 08:04 PM
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It is really a ridiculous thought that this very good program is in some ways connected towards a countrywide scheme of micro-chipping everyone even if they are against it. It actually how funny you think weak people are, as if there would not be a complete public outcry for a program of mandatory microchips for all citizens.

I for one would be on the forefront of fighting a program like this, which I do not think would ever happen. No one wants it to happen and there is no reason for it.

You guys who believe this is a big, evil scheme should really pull your .s out of the sand and see what the real world truly is. People would not stand for it, and doesn't make any sense.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Anubis_4400

also im not trying to say this is a bad thing because it is a good thing. Im trying to say this could lead to bad things.


Fair enough. I stand corrected.


KTK

posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 09:23 PM
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I would appreciate if someone can answer me as to how these things help in child abduction cases.

1- Digital photographs
2- Digital fingerprints
3-Child information and emergency contact.
4- Dental bite impressions
5- Two (2) laminated i.d. cards


Im not American and have limited knowlegde about your amber alert system. Perhaps I am missing something????????????????

I would imagine that most parents have photos if not access to photos of their children. If there was a need for finger prints these can be obtained from the childs home at the local investigation. I would have thought child information is given by the parents or care givers when the police are notified. Emergency contacts? Why is this needed?. Dental bite impressions can be obtained if needed during the investigation. Laminated id cards, again, huh??? Why?

All these things seem to cater for worst case scenarios. Maybe the money devoted to this program could be put to better use. Form a commitee to investigate and change the short sentences child abusers receive. Get mason lawyers to give their free time investigating the issues of child abduction. Ask your brothers in government to have a senate inquiry into the vast numbers of children that are missing or are being abused. Ask your brothers in the CIA and FBI to use thier terrorist monitering powers to actually prosecute child porn rings. Ask your brothers in the judicary system to ensure the penalties for owning child porn are the same as child abuse. Get your brothers in the medical field if there is a link between the over sexualisation of children in society and the increase in paedophile activity.

Most importantly bring your brothers together to protect all children all around the world. The masons are the only organisation in the world with the abitlity to create a massive change on this scale. I hope the masons reading this might be inspired enough to take the ideas back to the lodge. If not at least talk about it with your wifes.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 09:44 PM
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mochip - masonichip = *chip... is this some form of disinfo before the (chips = microchips) released after 1 then the other becomes accepted? Sound paranoid? Hell yes It does! Cant they think of something other than the word chip. I know they have nothing to do with implanting chips but sounds so odd hearing either with the word chip at the end. Sounds like wearing out the word chip for when it will become the real thing people accept. Yes call me paranoid but thats the first thing that came to mind with those words. I had to read both articles to calm down a little.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by madmangunradio]
vocabularity corrections.


[edit on 15-7-2007 by madmangunradio]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 10:05 PM
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Masonichip. Masonic Hip.
Now all they have to do is include iPod functionality. It's a sad, sad world we live in when people would rather track all living individuals to feel more powerful in doing so, than to alleviate the problem by targeting "who" would be kidnapping the children and "why" they have the compulsion to commit these acts.

I say we track the Mason, politicians, and government agencies. That would probably eliminate half the world's problems.

I was watching the news the other day and a woman was doing an "undercover" investigation by monitoring odd individuals near playgrounds. One man was sitting in his car masterbating. The reporter and her film crew rushed the car in an attempt to expose (no pun intended) this sick individual on television. It turned out to be a prominate reverend.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 10:05 PM
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Only thing I can think of that would be semi-safe would be their childrens info stored on their parents ID card. I wouldnt trust state or any other organization to keep a file alterable on the fly. I say parents come into (future name of location) and update their cards and look it over - get a print out of what was altered. I cant think of a perfect system for what is being applied there other than that and thats the best I can come up with for now.




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