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# Classified Antigravity Craft Using Back-Engineered ET Technology?

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posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 08:18 AM
Right now NASA with Boeing has a modified F-18 with an Active Aero-Elastic "Twist" wing and are working towards some "Morph-Wing" tech - and have been for a while.

On this NASA "Twist-Wing" page there is a pic near the bottom of the morph-wing concept here. Morph-wing is far more advanced conceptually... there is a video clip of the concept animated at NASA which I have seen before on NASA-TV but couldn't find on NASA's website. It's there somewhere and I'll post it's URL if and when I can find it.

The morph wing concept has some "bird-wing" and other "biologically-inspired" design cues... the material science for morph wing tech does exist and would seem a "natural" for development in the not-so-distant future but wouldn't (at first blush) suggest A-G tech...

Cheers,

Vic

EDIT: Here's a NASA Dryden link to a fair-sized artist concept drawing of the morph wing here.

[edit on 16-7-2007 by V Kaminski]

posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 10:21 AM
Thanks Vic
That was interesting!

The equations in the paper (Link below) describe a negative mass object behaving as a positive mass object in a gravitational field. To see how close to zero mass we can get using current technology with the DeAquino equation, get a load of this…

jlnlabs.imars.com...

So what happens when the mass of a space craft could be reduced to almost zero? Remember Einstein's equation E=mc2 ? So if one 'reduces' the 'm' to almost zero, then the energy required to attain light speed will be minimal. Negative mass would probably push you into the hyper dimension where the equation wouldn't count! And the barrier of light speed will cease to exist. But the crunch issue is reducing the mass.

And that's where esoteric physics/maths comes into play! Like gravitational weight reduction with ELF EM radiation.

Yikes! My brain is turning to pop corn! Gotta cool off. Where's the beer bar?

Cheers!

[edit on 18-7-2007 by mikesingh]

posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 12:18 PM

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Zorgon ... I like reading your posts, I commend you on all your efforts and site ... BUT ... to take a pot shot at Mac computers for no reason really irks me a bit.

Sorry we all have our pet peeves... Mac is mine.. nothing personal

Anyone who believes that what you can learn is all that we know is being quite foolish. If we knew half of how advanced we are, half the people would be shocked speechless,

John Lear has a scale... If all the secret stuff in the world at all levels was on this scale starting at 1 going to 100... John and I had figured our research had us at between 3 and 5... We were just told it was closer to 1...

posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 12:23 PM

Originally posted by mikesingh

jlnlabs.imars.com...

Ah yes isn't discovery grande? Welcome to our sandbox

You have mail Mike

posted on Jul, 18 2007 @ 09:10 PM

Originally posted by mikesingh
Here are some of the research papers from LANL (Los Alomos National Lab) concerning Gravity Shielding. So what are they up to? I’ll be darned if they haven’t applied this in practice already. Probably they have – years ago!

Title: Gravitational Shielding Effects in Gauge Theory of Gravity
Authors: Ning Wu

Now Now Mikey you should know better than to send people to a federal government computer archive without that little warning that they WILL be tracked

Now then as you say interesting read especially the one that mentions WARP DRIVE

And you will see that paper by Ning Wu about gravity sheilding... well it is also cited in a patent that has been issued and was presented in our Stargate thread by Tungus...

You asked what they are up to? Well sit down and hold onto your hat...

Its none other than an antigravity spacecraft... and it has a patent issued.

Originally posted by tungus
Can someone make head or tail of this?
source

Boris Volfson. Remember that name, because it will go down in history. He is the inventor of the "space vehicle propelled by the pressure of inflationary vacuum state." Translation: Anti-grav spaceship. And it looks an awful lot like that device from Stargate. I've read a lot of science-fiction in my day, and the abstract to this filing is some of the best in recent memory:

A cooled hollow superconductive shield is energized by an electromagnetic field resulting in the quantized vortices of lattice ions projecting a gravitomagnetic field that forms a spacetime curvature anomaly outside the space vehicle. The spacetime curvature imbalance, the spacetime curvature being the same as gravity, provides for the space vehicle's propulsion. The space vehicle, surrounded by the spacetime anomaly, may move at a speed approaching the light-speed characteristic for the modified locale.

The US Patent Office granted Volfson his patent on November 1. Since it is powered from a nuclear reactor, I don't expect to see this competing in the next X-Prize Cup or anything.

Check your emails Mike I have sent you a present

posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 12:38 AM

Originally posted by zorgon

Boris Volfson. Remember that name, because it will go down in history. He is the inventor of the "space vehicle propelled by the pressure of inflationary vacuum state." Translation: Anti-grav spaceship. And it looks an awful lot like that device from Stargate. I've read a lot of science-fiction in my day, and the abstract to this filing is some of the best in recent memory:

A cooled hollow superconductive shield is energized by an electromagnetic field resulting in the quantized vortices of lattice ions projecting a .....

Check your emails Mike I have sent you a present

Hell's bells!!
Now we're getting somewhere!! Amazing stuff Ron! OK, now to catch up with my mails, especially the one you sent!

NSA/CIA/FBI/DSA? Bring 'em on!! LANL research is on the net. So what's the big deal? Where's it said that I cannot pry into their secret archives? Just says one cannot download the research papers for public distribution without their permission! So...

Cheers!

posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 01:12 AM

Originally posted by mikesingh
NSA/CIA/FBI/DSA? Bring 'em on!! LANL research is on the net. So what's the big deal?

LOL That is true, but I have had a few people get mad at me for linking them to a controlled site... I wonder what they were afraid of?

On that note I just had someone from one of those 3 letter clubs stop by for a visit
He brought me some real pretty pictures

Hell's bells!!
Now we're getting somewhere!! Amazing stuff Ron! OK, now to catch up with my mails, especially the one you sent!

Yeah but I still haven't found the Lockheed saucer or the Tesla saucer patents yet Dagnabbit!!

[edit on 19-7-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 12:44 PM

by Zorgon:
On that note I just had someone from one of those 3 letter clubs stop by for a visit He brought me some real pretty pictures...

Really? Assuming you're not just pulling our leg(s), can you elaborate, Z? Which 3-letter club? How many came calling? Did they identify themselves? What did they ask you? Can you tell us what was on the pictures they showed you?

posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Outrageo
Really? Assuming you're not just pulling our leg(s), can you elaborate, Z?

Well no I am not pulling your leg, though that was an inside comment to Mike

Which 3-letter club?

Need to know basis... and you don't

How many came calling?

One

Did they identify themselves?

Most certainly...though it wasn't necessary...

Hmmmm lessee... oh yeah I guess I can say it was a "comparing of notes"

Can you tell us what was on the pictures they showed you?

Sure why not? Nothing top secret if thats what you were expecting

On that I will just say that is interesting how many people assume something from such meetings. They never seem to understand that maybe one has friends with interesting jobs

[edit on 19-7-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 08:55 PM
Thanks, Z...

For what it's worth, I was making no assumptions. Nice pics...

BTW - I share your sentiments re: Macs

Take care...

posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 12:33 AM
Well, you know pictures can be faked. But formulae can not be. Now, one can read the same science papers here (from scientists across the entire world -- and if any indication where the USA is at - most of the papers from Asia are actually ahead of anything the USA is doing -- which is Plasma):

arxiv.org...

This is the second site where the science paper are at, but does not include all of the journal descriptions either a person can buy copies of (like for \$30) but and here is the big but:

The formulae are only preliminary formulae and on several different theories because ususally none of it is proved. Now if anyone has read about Superstring Theory, the scientists (Princeton Quartet) which has Edward Witten on it, is so difficult they had to hire Mathematicans to help solve the problems and still are not very far along. When there is 248 levels or something like that of an equation for just one equation, the science papers up above are just that -- very preliminary thought-out theory that does not really yet prove anything since experiments have to be done to find out which theory out of several competing theories even make any sense.

Sorry, but I do not see any anti-gravity (gravity-shielding) anything being done. First they have not even found out yet what really gravity is and Gravity Probe B did not actually do all that much and there is all the data yet to be looked at. Then it has to be programmed into a computer -- which right now is only simulated models (which are only so accurate and not all that much accurate) so they can decide if the Models computerized even make sense.

I rather go off on a Spacealien's UFO because at least it got here, if there is even that, and I know it would work.

posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 12:57 AM

Originally posted by AmoebaSized
I rather go off on a Spacealien's UFO because at least it got here, if there is even that, and I know it would work.

Exactly, AS! What you're seeing in those papers is mainstream science which probably is half a century behind the exotic science available to the notorious Black Projects Inc.! And THAT is where the rub lies. All these have perhaps been tried and tested decades ago!

And probably these guys have meshed this science with UFO technology and back engineered it to produce some sort of hybrid crafts that work on the gravity shielding principle. And that's what Dr Boylan describes. Or what the heck are the black projects up to? Billions of dollars for what? Not poodle-faking or producing porn, I'm sure!!

Cheers!

posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 04:34 AM

Originally posted by AmoebaSized
Sorry, but I do not see any anti-gravity (gravity-shielding) anything being done.

LOL your clearance level is not high enough

posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 07:48 AM
they might be working on something new because they are building a new building on area 51.
www.lasvegasnow.com...

New Top Secret Construction at Area 51
is the name of the story .

[edit on 20-7-2007 by MarkLuitzen]

posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 12:16 PM
I have also read the prints of so-called scientists claiming what was going on also at those places, but they do not work there anymore either. And what they claim and what actually can be done may be two different things entirely. Yes, there is new technology developed and new planes and new stealth and whatever, but the fact that certain people will believe anything is still got the propanganda machine going only. And then the other Countries like Russia would be doing the same things.

Then although gleaming occuring thoughts that may or may not be true can also lead to this:

www.americanantigravity.com...

But those theories seem to lead to Time Travel.
But then, Titor was a real time traveller and most of us died in WWIII then first.

It takes billions of dollars to develop a prototype, and although it may help if the world was nice, I am sure that they are leaving you and me out of anything they actually are doing. But reaching for the Stars or Mars takes -- that anti-gravity (gravity shielding) device and first it seems to indicate from the theories that it leads to -- time travelling - which may be what the Spacealiens are Doing and needed first to develop those anti-gravity (gravity-shielding) devices.

It all looks good on paper so more money can be sought for the companies involved.

Now perhaps technology is needed for:

"The Spooks of the Nazis!"

And what kind of technology would that take!

Mach 5 will not get you or me to Mars!
Flying to Japan in an Hour will not get anyone to Mars either.

Yes, there are mysterious things going on in those places.

But still I rather be in a spacealien's UFO, because I know it got here. Take me to your Leader, but they probably dump me back out on this Planet and leave.

posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 12:57 AM
OK. Take a peek at this....

Electrogravitic (antigravity) technology, under development in U.S. Air Force black R&D programs since late 1954, may now have been put to practical use in the B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber to provide an exotic auxiliary mode of propulsion.

This inference is based on the recent disclosure that the B-2 charges both its wing leading edge and jet exhaust stream to a high voltage. Positive ions emitted from its wing leading edge would produce a positively charged parabolic ion sheath ahead of the craft while negative ions injected into it's exhaust stream would set up a trailing negative space charge with a potential difference in excess of 15 million volts.

According to electrogravitic research carried out by physicist T. Townsend Brown, such a differential space charge would set up an artificial gravity field that would induce a reactionless force on the aircraft in the direction of the positive pole. An electrogravitic drive of this sort could allow the B-2 to function with over-unity propulsion efficiency when cruising at supersonic velocities.

Hmmm..antigravity technology, was under development in U.S. Air Force black R&D programs since late 1954?? That's more than half a friggin' century ago! What are they up to now? [With a little help from our 'friends', I guess they may be having a base on the Moon (And Mars?) by now?
]

Cheers!

www.etheric.com...

posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 04:07 AM

Originally posted by MarkLuitzen
they might be working on something new because they are building a new building on area 51.

So ummm whats up with all you spies in the Netherlands snooping in my back yard??

posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 04:46 AM

Originally posted by AmoebaSized
Yes, there is new technology developed and new planes and new stealth and whatever,

You are correct... take a look at this concept drawing... what makes it fly? No engine visible and no ailerons for steering... so what makes it fly?

Plasma... Many still think of anti gravity as a new force that we need to create or discover... when all we need to do is overcome the EFFECTS of gravity, hence the term gravity shielding... The above image is from the Air Force Research Lab several years ago...

This is the working model, and they even took away the tail and rudder

And then the other Countries like Russia would be doing the same things.

Russia and America have been working "together" since the beginning of the Cold War... We got Nazi scientists, they got Nazi scientists... we built a shuttle , they built a shuttle better than ours with a bigger payload... they beat us into space... the whole cold war thing was a ruse to fund the war machine on both sides... just ask von Braun

didn't have that one

But those theories seem to lead to Time Travel.

Yes they do... I was linked to Defense Department documents that include this section by LANL and the AFRL

Teleportation via Wormhole-Stargates
U.S. Air Force Teleportation Physics Study
Teleportation Physics Study
DTIC Copy - AFRL-PR-ED-TR-2003-0034
APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE; DISTRIBUTION UNLIMITED

AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY
AIR FORCE MATERIEL COMMAND
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE CA 93524-7048

Two Kinds of vm-Teleportation Identified for the Air Force Study

• Traversable Wormhole engineered as a “STARGATE”
(via Einstein’s General Relativity Theory field equations, 1915)

• Faster-Than-Light (FTL) solutions of the Polarizable-Vacuum Representation of General Relativity (Davis,Puthoff, Maccone, 2003; , Puthoff, 1999, 2000) induce a flat-spacetime version of the Stargate via engineering the vacuum EM parameters

Part 1: What are Traversable Wormholes?

• Hyperspace tunnels thru spacetime, which can:

1. connect together remote regions within our universe
2. connect together different universes
3. connect together different space dimensions (for higher dimensional wormholes)
4. connect together different chronological periods within the same space region (backwards time travel!)

Part 2 - What are Traversable Wormholes?

• Traversable Wormholes possess:

1. normal or backwards time flow
2. normal or nonexistent gravitational stresses on space travelers
3. entry/exit openings (or throats) that can be made to be spherically shaped, cubic shaped,polyhedral shaped, generic shaped, etc.
4. flat entry/exit openings are possible – a true STARGATE or flat doorway through spacetime &dimensions!

SOURCE

The Montauk Project
The Philidelphia Experiment

It takes billions of dollars to develop a prototype,

Several trillion dollars were "missing" from the treasury... google that!

and although it may help if the world was nice, I am sure that they are leaving you and me out of anything they actually are doing.

Speak for yourself LOL I am working on connections that would make your jaw drop
After all Area 51 is just a few minutes drive from here

But reaching for the Stars or Mars takes -- that anti-gravity (gravity shielding) device and first it seems to indicate from the theories that it leads to -- time travelling - which may be what the Spacealiens are Doing and needed first to develop those anti-gravity (gravity-shielding) devices.

The gravity generator actually warps space, hard to explain but take my word for it for now
Put two dots on a dollar bill and fold a that dollar bill in half until the dots touch... you then move your ship the short distance to the other dot and turn off the generator. That is the effect... it doesn't need new laws of physics nor break old ones

The mere fact that those documents on the wormholes I just showed you even EXIST and are released for the public, screams volumes on how far they actually are

It all looks good on paper so more money can be sought for the companies involved.

You would be surprised at how much money some of those companies are already making

Here is my opinion and I will be putting together a presentation in the next few weeks to back it up...

The Russians know about it and are in on it
We have an outpost on Mars, as close as we can figure from about the same time
There are mines on the moon, some that were either the Ancients or Aliens, that we have taken over
Yes Aliens are here... they made a treaty with Eisenhower... then broke it so all bets are off
Yes we have saucers at Area 51 and they have been reverse engineered with some success

That is a short summary... those are my opinions... but I have data to back it up coming soon

(for those who can't wait, I suggest you go ahead and get it yourself... its all out there
)

And just as a side note from the Moon thread...

A few days ago I was out strolling in the Nevada Desert near Johns house and I stumbled across THIS... Its amazing what you find lying around these "special" areas around here... recognize it?

[edit on 21-7-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 11:08 AM
I thought I would throw this in. Which is a U.S. Patent that was granted on November 10, 2005 for anti-gravity propulsion.

patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50& s1=6,960,975,.PN.&OS=PN/6,960,975,&RS=PN/6,960,975,

I hope the link works. Its alot to read, but it does prove we have the knowledge to understand how anti-gravity works. The question is, have we already applied the knowledge. I believe so. I think if the general public knew how far advanced our black government was with technology, most people would go into culture shock. But thats just my opinion!

Sorry the links not working, help anyone?
Nevermind, figured it out!

[edit on 21-7-2007 by Darth Logan]

[edit on 21-7-2007 by Darth Logan]

[edit on 21-7-2007 by Darth Logan]

posted on Jul, 21 2007 @ 02:41 PM

Originally posted by zorgon
You are correct... take a look at this concept drawing... what makes it fly? No engine visible and no ailerons for steering... so what makes it fly?

Plasma... Many still think of anti gravity as a new force that we need to create or discover... when all we need to do is overcome the EFFECTS of gravity, hence the term gravity shielding... The above image is from the Air Force Research Lab several years ago...

Very good my budding young disinformant.

I’m the one who gave you that link originally (and boy did you run with it LOL) and for the third time now I’ve had to correct you, NO, plasma doesn’t “make it fly” and this has nothing to do with anti-gravity! The concept we’re working on is using plasma actuators to replace conventional mechanical control surfaces for “steering” scramjet powered aircraft at hypersonic velocities.

You left that information from the original article out because you’re trying to pull one over on the members of ATS!

Originally posted by zorgon
I was linked to Defense Department documents that include this section by LANL and the AFRL

Teleportation Physics Study
DTIC Copy - AFRL-PR-ED-TR-2003-0034
APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE; DISTRIBUTION UNLIMITED

AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY
AIR FORCE MATERIEL COMMAND
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE CA 93524-7048

Two Kinds of vm-Teleportation Identified for the Air Force Study

• Traversable Wormhole engineered as a “STARGATE”
(via Einstein’s General Relativity Theory field equations, 1915)

• Faster-Than-Light (FTL) solutions of the Polarizable-Vacuum Representation of General Relativity (Davis,Puthoff, Maccone, 2003; , Puthoff, 1999, 2000) induce a flat-spacetime version of the Stargate via engineering the vacuum EM parameters.

So tell us Zorgon how were you “linked” to this? By one of your secret three-letter “insider” sources?

It’s all over the various pseudoscientific websites (like “Dr.” Richard “Hot Tub” Boylan’s LOL) and you can even download the full report here…

www.fas.org...

What you don’t know is we got a lot of criticism for funding this particular study in thinking "outside the box”. OMG I hope you don’t think is “proof” that “stargates” are real and not just a TV show!!!

You and Mike make a great ATS disinformation spamming team! Keep up the good work.

P.S. Tell Master Disinformant John Lear to check out the “Acknowledgments” page of this report before he makes a fool out of himself again dissing my employer.

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