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Originally posted by Silk
Sad very sad to lose a valued contributor
but RATS is a restricted forum - I see nothing in this thread i want restricted.
If you feel unable to contribute in the face of oposition then lets move this to the mud pit
But this as i see it is nothing more than a discussion.
Originally posted by THENEO
(...)Socialism is a failed system because it only acknowledges materiality as the basis of existance and ignores spirituality. (...)
Originally posted by THENEO
(...)Thus, it is doomed to failure no matter how many times it is implemented or where or how.
Socialism is a failed system because it only acknowledges materiality as the basis of existance and ignores spirituality.
"Personally, I'm in favour of democracy, which means that the central institutions of society have to be under popular control. Now, under capitalism, we can't have democracy by definition. Capitalism is a system in which the central institutions of society are in principle under autocratic control. Thus, a corporation or an industry is, if we were to think of it in political terms, fascist; that is, it has tight control at the top and strict obedience has to be established at every level--there's little bargaining, a little give and take, but the line of authority is perfectly straightforward. Just as I'm opposed to political fascism, I'm opposed to economic fascism. I think that until the major institutions of society are under the popular control of participants and communities, it's pointless to talk about democracy."
Capitalism has destroyed our belief in any effective power but that of self interest backed by force.
- George Bernard Shaw.
Originally posted by jezebel
O.K., I know that everyone is aware of the negative aspects of both ideals, but I am curious. If it were possible for Communism to work as it was intended, everyone being equal and the removal of any hierarchy, would it be better or worse for mankind?
Try and remove the instinctive mental block against the dreaded word "Communism", and think of it like something you haven't been taught to fear and hate.
The basic premise of Communism is that everyone works for the common good and nobody can subject anyone else to their will, because of status or wealth. Nobody can avoid doing their share of the work, by paying others to do it for them. It prevents the fat, lazy element from forming and makes the executive of the company as important as the grunts that do his work.
Of course it could never work with the way mankind thinks today, namely, every man for himself, but if we were able to consider our fellow man first and truly love our neighbors as ourselves, I think that Communism would be the result.
If you were thinking of everybody else, and everyone else was thinking of you, when working or doing anything, the world couldn't help but become a Utopia. No one would have to worry about how they would get food or clothes or shelter, because everyone else would do that for them. It would require greed to become a thing of the past, which is why it is impossible in real life, but if it could happen, why wouldn't we want it to?
p.s. I am not a Communist, or any other -ist for that matter, except maybe an idealist. So don't go jumping to any conclusions please.