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Collapse of America is inevitable and people should leave? Opinions wanted.

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posted on Jul, 12 2007 @ 10:19 PM
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I was reading the latest article on the NewsTarget website by Mike Adams and one of his comments has really startled me. He states that the new HR 2900 law just passed is giving so much power to the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry, that people should start thinking seriously about leaving America.

I would be interested to hear some other opinions about this.

Article Source: FDA tyranny to become law: HR.2900 analysis by Richards and Adams



Over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that it is no longer worth attempting to stop American's self-destruction at the hands of Big Pharma, corrupt politicians and greedy fractional reserve bankers. America is destroying itself, and there is no one left who's willing to stand up and try to stop it (except, perhaps, for a few individuals like Rep. Ron Paul, but he's effectively censored by the powers that be).

My advice to readers is to start thinking very seriously about getting out of America. What's coming over the next 5 - 25 years will not be pretty, and I now believe the collapse of America as we know it today is inevitable. The 2008 elections will change nothing, as either party will only deliver a different form of tyranny in the end. America has devolved into a modern mirror image of the Roman Empire in its last dying days -- steeped in corruption, abandoning its citizens, arrogant beyond all reason, oblivious to the world around it and wholly committed to destroying itself from within.




posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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No thanks. I'd die fighting before running like a coward to a place might not be any better.



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 01:07 PM
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this legislation will drive many people into blackmarkets, like coke, meth and H users.

i guess the treasury needs the money from confiscated and auctioned property, not to mention many friends and relatives who will get houses (complete with interior and all) cars, etc. cheap from said enforced auctions.

btw, Golack i admire your stance but afaics, the majority stands between us and the legislators, which begs the question when to finally engage...



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 01:17 PM
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I have said for over a year that it's time to go, I have actually started the process of looking at property in another country and what it will take to become a perm-resident of that nation. I will be there on the day they innaugurate Hillary Clinton as President. I feel she is whom they want so that is whom we will get, but make no mistake about this, outside of Ron Paul or a Gravel they win no matter who wins the election. Romney and Thompson are as much theirs as Hillary and Rudy. I see the death of this country coming like an ominous storm and it won't be stopped barring miracles. For those that say I would rather fight and stay then run, I used to think so too but considering that we would be less than .01% of the population and considering the ability of the govt today to arrest secretly and control the media your a TERRORIST as soon as THEY SAY you are. Just look at the recent case of TB man, they scared the world into thinking some crazy really contagious man was hiding and evading them at all costs to infect the WORLD. Absolute nonsense and FEAR MONGERING. So in a perfect world all the citizens, or at least a good majority, would stand up and TAKE BACK their citys, towns, countys and states and tell the fed to eff off and let it die. We were once a UNION of STATES, thats why its called the state of the UNion address not the state of the Nation address.

I pray that America is saved, turned around and that it doesn't fall from within but saadly I see no hope for the lackidazical(sp?) ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW society of I don't care it don't effect me morons eating the sound bytes that CNN or FOX gives them.


Does that sound cynical??? Don't mean to be...



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
I have said for over a year that it's time to go, I have actually started the process of looking at property in another country and what it will take to become a perm-resident of that nation. I will be there on the day they innaugurate Hillary Clinton as President.


I pretty much feel the same way. At the moment it's looking like Hillary has a good chance of being elected, at which point all my faith in America would be lost. If somehow Ron Paul were to be elected my faith in the power of the people would be restored, but I'm not getting my hopes up. It's obvious that corporate America pulls the strings.

I've been looking at other countries for quite some time now. In fact I've been learning Swedish, but I'm considering other countries as well. Problem is, they all have their own problems too. What country are you considering?



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 02:32 PM
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The way things are going; Mexico will soon be building a fence to keep the gringos out.



I would like to think that changes could be brought about by the American voter but I seriously feel that the "corperate oligarchy" has become so intrenched in government, that no real change can take place in favor of the average citizen.

"Buy, consume and keep your mouth shut"

It's a brave new world; welcome to the monkey house!!



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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Good...I don't care what idiot makes it as President, but one thing the U.S. certainly does not need is cowards who don't believe in fighting for their nation...regardless of who is in control. So...I'll be looking forward to see all these desperate folks take off to never never land...it's not like they're contributing to this country anyway.



[edit on 13-7-2007 by laiguana]



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
Good...I don't care what idiot makes it as President, but one thing the U.S. certainly does not need is cowards who don't believe in fighting for their nation...regardless of who is in control. So...I'll be looking forward to see all these desperate folks take off to never never land...it's not like they're contributing to this country anyway.



[edit on 13-7-2007 by laiguana]


Just a little question laiguana.........

Does paying property taxes, income taxes, fuel taxes, sales taxes, constitute "contributing" to this country?

What about "vets" such as myself that feel it may be time to leave. Did they contribute?

You seem to be painting those that don't agree with you "with a broad brush"



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
Good...I don't care what idiot makes it as President, but one thing the U.S. certainly does not need is cowards who don't believe in fighting for their nation...regardless of who is in control. So...I'll be looking forward to see all these desperate folks take off to never never land...it's not like they're contributing to this country anyway.


My ancestors left Germany before the war. Do you consider them "cowards" and "non-contributors"? FYI, some of their children (my grandpa, great uncles) actually joined the fight against the Nazis.



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 03:34 PM
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the FDA issues by themselves would not make up my mind,
it is a plethora of assinine policies that have me concerned right now...

I have my preliminary sights set on Lithuania (right now)
~as opposed to the Bahamas & the current Exuma hype~


i won't tell youse the Why/Wherefores of my top-of-the-list place
where i'd accomplish ex-patriotism...but you asked for opinions ->
not a summary or detailed analysis.


thanks,



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 03:54 PM
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If you feel that desperate to leave then why not walk the walk and end the talky talk...nobody's stopping you. America will still be here after you leave, so don't worry.



posted on Jul, 13 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
If you feel that desperate to leave then why not walk the walk and end the talky talk...nobody's stopping you. America will still be here after you leave, so don't worry.



?Yo....are You talkin' to me??


what i say is not based on desperation....
but rather from a considered & deliberated Decision.

it seems that the many Doctors, Lawyers, neocons that are buying properties in S.A., Bahamas, & Villas around the Mediterranian are outside of & excluded your wrath & scorn...
because they're rich after feeding off the poor & middle casses.??


I will always do what's in my best interest...
I am not a nut bag that will insist on going-down-with-the-ship, for appearances sake.

I do not seek to ex-patriot myself because of perceived difficulties in the American political landscape...rather for a final attempt to live at a station above what my current disability income allowsme to in the USA.

If anyone is observant and aware....there are a great number of disabled or elderly pensioners living in 3rd world countries like Mexico, Panama etc
so as to stretch their meager SS checks...so as to afford a hiogher standard of living...
but if your comfortable living in a hole-in-the-wall efficiency, scraping by on canned food as a steady diet....so you can wave that friggin flag,
then more power to you and your life choice

just don't pin your values on me & force or pressure me to acquiese



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
If you feel that desperate to leave then why not walk the walk and end the talky talk...nobody's stopping you. America will still be here after you leave, so don't worry.


Yea, I have to agree with laiguana. Ive always said that a citizen should never run away from whatever country they are citizens in. Instead of running, stay and take some kind of action.
The Mexicans have been running from their country for years, when instead they should speak out and demand an end to the corruption, it may not yield immediate results but at least they will have tried.
They take the path thats easiest on them, somewhere they can get health care, food cards and checks from the government.
Yes, I may be very disappointed in the direction my country is heading but every country has its own problems. Might as well stay in mine and work through the bad times instead of running off and doing nothing.
Also, I really dont think it matters who is elected president because I dont believe the president pulls the strings. I believe the president is just a puppet or a figurehead, this is necessary to give the illusion that we control whos in charge and what policies are made.



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 12:39 PM
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I am considering and looking at property in Costa Rica, the Pacific Shore. The ability to own property there si available and the ability to become a Permanent resident is pretty easy or cheap depending on he way you choose. There are over 150,000 english speaking Brist, Canadians and Americans already there in communities. The cost of living is cheap, they have a health care system rated better than the U.S.'s and they have non standing military. It is a constitutional republic, and the Rights of the indiviual are tantamount in this tiny nation. It is stable and hasnt had a war or attacks or anything in a long longlong time. It isnt rife with the crazyness of its neighbors. I have one American friend and one Candian friend coming with me and investing in property as well as our Canadian friend has a sailboat, a big one in case we needed to skidaddle for some reason or another. There is a lot of information available about CR and how to become a perm resident, there is also many websites dedicated to CR and becoming an ex-pat there. The english speaking ex-pats there are so helpful in answering allm your questions and giving you tips.The sad part of all this is so many Americans are thinking of ESCAPING before it's too late...

One CR Site

One about Ex-pats



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
I am considering and looking at property in Costa Rica, the Pacific Shore. The ability to own property there si available and the ability to become a Permanent resident is pretty easy or cheap depending on he way you choose. There are over 150,000 english speaking Brist, Canadians and Americans already there in communities. The cost of living is cheap, they have a health care system rated better than the U.S.'s and they have non standing military. It is a constitutional republic, and the Rights of the indiviual are tantamount in this tiny nation. It is stable and hasnt had a war or attacks or anything in a long longlong time. It isnt rife with the crazyness of its neighbors. I have one American friend and one Candian friend coming with me and investing in property as well as our Canadian friend has a sailboat, a big one in case we needed to skidaddle for some reason or another. There is a lot of information available about CR and how to become a perm resident, there is also many websites dedicated to CR and becoming an ex-pat there. The english speaking ex-pats there are so helpful in answering allm your questions and giving you tips.The sad part of all this is so many Americans are thinking of ESCAPING before it's too late...

One CR Site

One about Ex-pats


I have just moved from Costa Rica. Let me tell you that it isn't quite the paradise that you think that it is. It may be cheaper than the States but things are quite expensive and the infrastructure is lacking. Crime is a serious considersation. Are you prepared to live in a gated community?
Anti-western sentiment is on the rise. In the all the countries that I haved lived in and the more that I have travelled to, Costa Rica is the ONLY place where I was a victim of crime twice. All the foreigners that I met were victims of crime. If you like pump action shot guns it's a great place.

In my opinion the best place for an offshore base is Thailand. Cheap, excellent medical and infrastructure. Cheap travel. Western things are readily available.



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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well bush was buyin up in paraguay right?



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 01:16 PM
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Dear theindependentjournal, I suggest you find land well south of the equator to be out of the northern hemisphere’s fallout. The nuclear warheads made by third world powers will not me tritium enriched so the fall out will hit a saturation point in the northern hemisphere. Also avoid ocean front property. You want high ground with good ground water and a moving river near by for reliable power. Like southern Brazil or Chile. When I was younge I wanted to move to New Zealand biggest return for dollars earned far better than the US, less corruption and a beautiful land. Good luck.



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 01:30 PM
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I agree with the source that what's coming over the next 5 - 25 years will not be pretty, and that the collapse of the US is inevitable. My husband and I have been talking about "the collapse" in these terms for a while now.

If I were younger, I would leave. In fact, we have considered leaving. But I don't think moving to another country is going to be that much better once the US starts collapsing. We are so tied in with the rest of the world, that unless you can afford to buy an island somewhere, most of the world is going to be affected one way or another by the collapse of the US.

The next few years promise to be "interesting times" as in Chinese curse interesting. But I have no plans to leave at this time. But you never know. That could change.



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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it's interesting because the two places have considered are costa rica and new zealand (places many of you have considered as well).

my only thought is, haven't people been talking about America collapsing for decades now? nowadays, it seems like the en vogue thing to say.



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 05:07 PM
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As a true American Patriot...

I will stay and fight to the very bitter end. Anything less would be admitting defeat, in my opinion. This has nothing to do with cowardice. This has everything to deal with being free. Free to choose.

And I choose America. Land of the free. Home of the brave.




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