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posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 07:23 AM
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1). Regardless of the distance, I don't care if its 1mm, no one has any right to know your preferences. That is for you to mention. No preloaded piece of metal/plastic should do my speaking for me.


Well...if you think about it people know what kind of colour your hair is before you mention it. Does it really matter? "Of Course!!1! No simple human sense should do the speaking for me!!!!eleven!!!"

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2). Businesses have better access to your financial information and purchase history so product marketing will be geared towards certain people. If you have the chip, they already know what you've bought in the past.


the tiniest amount of research shows that this is what Amazon.com does already. Are they evil? No! they are giving you options for what you may like based on your previous selections.

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3). With a completely microchipped society, it will not be hard to manipulate anyone for FURTHER reduction of civil liberties. A mandatory anything is against our Constitution. I don't care if it is 'voluntary' you won't be able to buy things if the economy is built around chips.


Well it may be against your constitution but i find following laws from an age past to be misguided. You will be able to buy things, instead of being a slave to a keycard and PIN then you will use a chip instead, or if you need to identify a person. Their chip will show the answer.


The microchip is in the tv show 'Futurama' which gives each potential employee a predetermined job. Do I want a machine deciding what I am best at? No thank you. It is also mentioned in the movie 'Idiocracy.' Same deal. You get placed wherever the system thinks you are best at.


"The chip is given to you according to what you are best at." So you prefer to be crappy at what you do. Congratulations.



, thus offering the possibility of the creation of a perfect consumer workforce - a people whose only thoughts are those of working, eating, procreating and sleeping.


The funny part is that is all humans do now.



"What parents like the Duvals want is an implant which can be traced by satellite - but that's a long way off. Let's face it, all such a chip would do in cases like Soham is allow the police to trace the bodies more quickly. No technology would have saved those girls."


And i dont know what case you are talking about. But finding the bodies quicker is preferable. You think they should be left to rot somewhere? thats gross.



What happened to denying ignorance? Let's face it octavius you simply have no idea what you're getting yourself into.


I am denying ignorance. I am surprised of the ignorance of some people here. Seriously, why dont you stop attacking the government who are, well, trying to govern?

If you worked with them, they would work with you.




posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
Well...if you think about it people know what kind of colour your hair is before you mention it. Does it really matter? No simple human sense should do the speaking for me


'Human sense' as you call it would be replaced by 'machine' sense. The last time I checked, there isn't much human sense going around either. We're not the brightest animals. We're currently fighting wars in the Middle East with no end in sight. This doesn't sound like the place I want to live.

Ok let me S P E L L it out for you.

I don't care what a machine tells me I'm best at. I know what I'm best at. Do not condescend me. You don't know me. And I hope to keep it that way. I don't want to have any friends around me who think microchipping themselves and being plugged into an electrical grid is a good idea. You'd probably chip me in my sleep. No thanks.



the tiniest amount of research shows that this is what Amazon.com does already. Are they evil? No! they are giving you options for what you may like based on your previous selections.


Ok great, does that mean I want a predetermined amount of information on my person at all times? I think not. I cannot stop businesses from marketing and researching customers' purchasing history. But I can prevent them from looking into my personal business when I happen to carry it with me. Fine, I am tracked through my credit purchases among other things. I just don't want the line to be drawn any closer.



Well it may be against your constitution but i find following laws from an age past to be misguided. You will be able to buy things, instead of being a slave to a keycard and PIN then you will use a chip instead, or if you need to identify a person. Their chip will show the answer.


Yeah, it is against my Constitution. It is also against my set of morals. It is called right to privacy. You don't have it in the UK anymore because you gave up all your civil rights to the crown in favor of a nanny police state that tells you what to do.

The government doesn't have the right to tell me what is right or wrong. That is my own. And no, laws that are given by God are not 'misguided' nor irrelevant. They hold more sway now as we can be tracked so readily. Without rights, we would all be cattle lined up for the slaughter (which is slowly happening as we speak anyway, even with our rights).

Wow it seems you have been brainwashed beyond all repair.

Enter Big Brother. I bet you like being told what to do. It makes it all easier. And its much simpler to let a chip speak for you than to remember that pesky number. You also probably think carrying around an ID card thwarts terrorism...And anti-gun laws stop violence at home.

Newsflash, you're wrong.



"The chip is given to you according to what you are best at." So you prefer to be crappy at what you do. Congratulations.


Actually no. No person has the right to tell me what I am best at. Even if they're right. And most cases, a machine doesn't have any idea what to do anyway.

We took employment tests in high school. The freaking test told me I should be an engineer or something like that.

I want to be a farmer and live sustainably off the land. An engineer can't do that. It must live in society. Well if you couldn't tell I'm no fan of society.

I will excell at whatever I do because unlike you I think for myself. I don't let others do my thinking for me thanks.



The funny part is that is all humans do now.


Yeah that's maybe what you do, but I like to theorize, debate, and expand my mind. I have other interests besides the carnal human nature. I never said I had evolved past them, but that doesn't mean all I do is (eat, sleep, bone).

It wouldn't matter in the slightest if that's what we did already. No chip deserves to tell us to do anything. Neither does the government, neither do you.



And i dont know what case you are talking about. But finding the bodies quicker is preferable. You think they should be left to rot somewhere? thats gross.


Um...let's see. What do you think happens when you die? Your body gets sent directly up to heaven? Or does it rot?

Where would you like the body to rot? Animals die everyday and are left on the side of the road. Is that wrong?

Its gross? You sound like a child.

'Ew, its a dead mouse. Help me, help me!'



I am denying ignorance. I am surprised of the ignorance of some people here. Seriously, why dont you stop attacking the government who are, well, trying to govern?
If you worked with them, they would work with you.


If by researching and expanding one's mind is ignorance, then yeah I'm very guilty.

Why don't I stop attacking government? Why don't they stop attacking me with laws and other injustices?

It seems you just started the political game. Let me break it down for you. Politicians lie. Politicians cheat. Politicians steal. They have affairs and lie about them. They spend our hard earned dollars on meth and gay prostitutes (this happens to be an evangelical preacher, but he is a friend of Mr. Bush so my point sticks).

They have no right to tell me what I can and cannot do.

They are not the moral police. It'd be one thing if they were shining examples of morality, but when some of the most corrupt people in the world tell me what is right and wrong, I just instantly shut off.

It seems you are open to sublminal messaging, so let me send you something.

WAKE THE HELL UP!

The government is lieing to you and you'd rather be safe in your own cell than to break free.

Why don't I stop attacking a government who is trying to govern?

Do you listen to yourself? Govern? They haven't been 'governing' as you call it legally for some time now.

We have had some nanny police state laws that were passed fairly recently (I can see you're a fan) called the Patriot Act 1 & 2. I am not a huge fan of this legislation.

I happen to like my individual freedoms, which it seems you have already given up in the pursuit of a false security.

I will protect even people like yourself in the pursuit of freedom. I do not particularly care where your political ties lie. I will even defend your right to freedom of speech.

You have every right. And while I highly disagree with pretty much everything you have to say, you have a right to say it.

Under a nanny police state like you are talking about with a completely trackable microchipped society, there will be no freedoms.

There will be no freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms, right to privacy.

That will all have been given up. There will be nowhere to hide from tyranny, as we would have opened our front door and asked it to come inside for a cup of tea.

Well not only would it have stayed for a cup of tea, it would have taken over our household, our lives, and everything we held dear.

No sir. I am not for a police state or a RFID chip in anyone. Not even pets.

This is the exact opposite direction I want to be heading in.

DENY ignorance.

There are some bad apples in the world, and even worse apples in the political arena.

Hey, I even did some research for you in regards to corrupt American politicians:

20 most corrupt US politicians

Ex-Illinois Governor Convicted of Charges

Coalition Against Corrupt Politicians

Political Corruption



'World map of the Corruption Perceptions Index, which measures "the degree to which corruption is perceived to exist among public officials and politicians". Blue colors indicate little corruption, red colors indicate much corruption.'

While I do not agree with the map's findings, I can say this much. Any area with even 1 corrupt politician does not have the right to tell me what is right/wrong or best for me. I know what is best for me.

Most Americans view politicians as corrupt, poll finds

Corporate Crime Reporter

Corrupt Politicians

Corrupt Politicians can have a new plea

Politicians Corrupt

Google search



posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 04:00 AM
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'Human sense' as you call it would be replaced by 'machine' sense. The last time I checked, there isn't much human sense going around either. We're not the brightest animals. We're currently fighting wars in the Middle East with no end in sight. This doesn't sound like the place I want to live.

Ok let me S P E L L it out for you.

I don't care what a machine tells me I'm best at. I know what I'm best at. Do not condescend me. You don't know me. And I hope to keep it that way. I don't want to have any friends around me who think microchipping themselves and being plugged into an electrical grid is a good idea. You'd probably chip me in my sleep. No thanks.


If there isnt much human sense, i would prefer machine sense. Its logical


Well your in America, i wouldnt want to be there period. I already went there once, it was a rat hole and i breathed better when i got home. Im sorry if this makes people angry, but this is an unbiased review from a person who was 8 when he went there.

Plugged into an Electrical grid is something you mention. I think this is odd. My concept of the Microchip is one with a tiny interface in the right hand, near where the thumb joins the palm. This would be ID, Money Keycard and a Global positioning system ONLY when the alarm is raised, the alarm is raised by a synaptic control (one which exists already if you check the Science section)




Ok great, does that mean I want a predetermined amount of information on my person at all times? I think not. I cannot stop businesses from marketing and researching customers' purchasing history. But I can prevent them from looking into my personal business when I happen to carry it with me. Fine, I am tracked through my credit purchases among other things. I just don't want the line to be drawn any closer.


well see, its not like a person will point a scanner at you and know all you know. Its your free will to offer your hand to the stores you go. If your paranoid, dont do it. If you arnt then just speed up your shopping by letting them determine what you may like. i use it on Amazon all the time.



Yeah, it is against my Constitution. It is also against my set of morals. It is called right to privacy. You don't have it in the UK anymore because you gave up all your civil rights to the crown in favor of a nanny police state that tells you what to do.

The government doesn't have the right to tell me what is right or wrong. That is my own. And no, laws that are given by God are not 'misguided' nor irrelevant. They hold more sway now as we can be tracked so readily. Without rights, we would all be cattle lined up for the slaughter (which is slowly happening as we speak anyway, even with our rights).

Wow it seems you have been brainwashed beyond all repair.

Enter Big Brother. I bet you like being told what to do. It makes it all easier. And its much simpler to let a chip speak for you than to remember that pesky number. You also probably think carrying around an ID card thwarts terrorism...And anti-gun laws stop violence at home.

Newsflash, you're wrong.


Newsflash...i dont live in the UK. I live in Australia. You believe it is your constitution which you protect. But consider that you are constantly bombarded with its decrees from birth. A form of brainwashing, really. Human Rights and the American constitution are very different things.

The Government has every right to tell you if what you are doing is wrong, but at first it is a warning. If you persist THEN they have the right to place restrictions on you, that is what laws are!

laws that are given by god. Ahhh your a Christian. Laws given by 'god' or whatever are not pure. Its all been translated which means that problems arise "Thou Shalt commit adultery" comes to mind.

wait...you think that a place is better because everyone has a gun? oh my. Its #1 reason that i dont want to go to America. Surrounded by such a cowardly weapon. I prefer the Katana myse



posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 04:13 AM
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oh and by the way, what right have you got to tell me that 'Im wrong' according to your morals and beliefs isnt everyone allowed to their own opinion?




Actually no. No person has the right to tell me what I am best at. Even if they're right. And most cases, a machine doesn't have any idea what to do anyway.

We took employment tests in high school. The freaking test told me I should be an engineer or something like that.

I want to be a farmer and live sustainably off the land. An engineer can't do that. It must live in society. Well if you couldn't tell I'm no fan of society.

I will excell at whatever I do because unlike you I think for myself. I don't let others do my thinking for me thanks.


I was mostly being sarcastic with the Futurama thing because such a scenario is incredibly moronic.

I never took an employment test, we were never offered one.

Well you can be a farmer, congrats.

Apparently because i dont think for myself i cant excell at what i do. I have had to go through my life with people saying "Youll never get a job in Ancient history." well do you know what? Ill do it anyway because i dont bow to pressure. But im not one to ignore a good idea.




Yeah that's maybe what you do, but I like to theorize, debate, and expand my mind. I have other interests besides the carnal human nature. I never said I had evolved past them, but that doesn't mean all I do is (eat, sleep, bone).

It wouldn't matter in the slightest if that's what we did already. No chip deserves to tell us to do anything. Neither does the government, neither do you.


Expanding your mind? In the US all i see is expanding your influence. No chip deserves to tell you to do anything. Actually, it can offer suggestions based on previous experience, right? Why dont you take it like a man and either accept its advice or reject it? If you reject it out of principle it seems your too paranoid to survive in a society which moves forward.

The government, however, does have the right to tell you what to do. If it says "We need you to help us" and you say "No" the what the hell kind of country will come from that? how will humanity go forward if they dont stop thinking about personal gain?




Um...let's see. What do you think happens when you die? Your body gets sent directly up to heaven? Or does it rot?

Where would you like the body to rot? Animals die everyday and are left on the side of the road. Is that wrong?

Its gross? You sound like a child.

'Ew, its a dead mouse. Help me, help me!'


Right, the fact that you say that the parents have no right to find the bodies of their children before they decompose really annoys me. I dont even like kids and i think your attitude is sick.

Anyway, the amount of times ive had to prise bloody mouse and bird carcasses from my cats mouths...fine, i wont even bother.




Why don't I stop attacking government? Why don't they stop attacking me with laws and other injustices?


The government is attacking you by making laws?! what the hell do you want? A law is a restriction, be a man and deal with it! if the government had no right to restrict people because it is 'attacking' them then no laws would exist.



We have had some nanny police state laws that were passed fairly recently (I can see you're a fan) called the Patriot Act 1 & 2. I am not a huge fan of this legislation.


hehehe patriot act. it even sounds #ing stupid.



There will be no freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms, right to privacy.


Right to bear arms...there it is again, the tumor. Right to privacy? this one #s me sometimes.

When i was a kid i had a few enemies at school. They would prank call me, throw rocks through my windows and all this other #. They followed me in gangs and all knew where i lived.

Due to the right to Privacy the Police wernt allowed to tell me where they lived. So i could approach their parents mysel



posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 04:18 AM
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so, apparently under your constitution. because i couldnt do that, i should exercise my right to bear arms and shoot the #ers where they stood?

Misguided is what i say.

hehehhe, i love that map of yours anyway.

i live in Australia, because ive encountered some fricking stupid Americans in my time ill point it out. Its the big BLUE one near the bottom right hand corner.

According to this i dont have a corrupt government. hooray.

Chipping is something of the future. Replacing numbers and keycards and phone calls and all this other bull# with a simple handshake or interface.

Call me a moron but ive been working on the scenario for what would happen if i was in charge of the world (and have been talking to my friends and using Censis data aswell) and have been wondering whether i should post it anywhere here.

Oh well, because it doesnt have a right to bear arms in the strictest sense i guess you wouldnt be into it, ay?



posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
i live in Australia, because ive encountered some fricking stupid Americans in my time ill point it out. Its the big BLUE one near the bottom right hand corner.


what are you? like 14?
stfu wanker.



posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 07:58 AM
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hehehhe, out of my whole post to pick from THAT is the well planned rebuttal?

STFU?? thats all you have?!

By the flying spaghetti monster, get an argument. Ive been talking to a friend of mine about the hundreds of Hypocrisies i didnt even touch in the arguement yet.



posted on Jul, 27 2007 @ 04:32 PM
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I'm chipped. I keep finding it so they keep moving it. I guess I'm doubly screwed as my Email/sign on has 666 in it - does it count if you are forced to be chipped?



posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by GeneralT.
Microchips,as well as some barcodes have stationary 666 in them.From what I've read,(it's been awhile) the barcode lines have three numbers, that in computer language equal 666 from the three zero lines. Also when you consider that people will worship the image of the beast and the possibilties of hi-tech holograms, such as the South Korean technology out last year, being imbedded and interactive, and ELF , you have a recipe for world domination and destruction. In the Bible, God says that those accounted worthy will escape the temptation, when the time of Jacob's troubles comes, The great tribulation. Jesus said that it will be just like the days of Noah and Lot. People running around raping the same sex. We have "gay gangs" today in certain cities. But the main issue is that Noah and Lot were removed first. The Rapture. And then the New World Order will proceed just as God has planned.This time will be a judgement on mankind to make people get off the fence and choose sides. It will be very hard for some . Paul,the apostle said "I press toward the mark for the high calling of God in Christ Jesus,"or the Rapture. If anyone takes the mark, it will be too late for thier souls.


What are you talking about? Barcords? What? A smart card has 8 mechanical contacts. I really don;t understand what exactly are you guys fearing what information is so damaging that you have to fear. You fear transactional history? We have fly buys for that... don;t know what they call it outside of australia... but it's similar to frequent flyer points. Are you scared of BEING TRACKED... well don't ypu have a mobile... with TDOA AOA and GPS why are you worrying about the future, it's here now! I find it laughable that they will track you with RFID... if you really don't want to be tracked why are you sticking your RFID so close to the recievers???? RFID are powerless cards... They only power on within a certain range usually set to about 1 meter or so. My two cents.



posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by rezial666
I'm chipped. I keep finding it so they keep moving it. I guess I'm doubly screwed as my Email/sign on has 666 in it - does it count if you are forced to be chipped?



rezial, no, it doesn't count if you were forcably, secretly chipped.
How would they "move" it? Also your E-mail sign doesn't count as "the mark of the beast".



posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 05:43 PM
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Microchips,as well as some barcodes have stationary 666


Thank goodness, since the the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616, tell me when they are using these,




posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by iCEdTenG

Originally posted by GeneralT.
Microchips,as well as some barcodes have stationary 666 in them.From what I've read,(it's been awhile) the barcode lines have three numbers, that in computer language equal 666 from the three zero lines. Also when you consider that people will worship the image of the beast and the possibilties of hi-tech holograms, such as the South Korean technology out last year, being imbedded and interactive, and ELF , you have a recipe for world domination and destruction. In the Bible, God says that those accounted worthy will escape the temptation, when the time of Jacob's troubles comes, The great tribulation. Jesus said that it will be just like the days of Noah and Lot. People running around raping the same sex. We have "gay gangs" today in certain cities. But the main issue is that Noah and Lot were removed first. The Rapture. And then the New World Order will proceed just as God has planned.This time will be a judgement on mankind to make people get off the fence and choose sides. It will be very hard for some . Paul,the apostle said "I press toward the mark for the high calling of God in Christ Jesus,"or the Rapture. If anyone takes the mark, it will be too late for thier souls.


What are you talking about? Barcords? What? A smart card has 8 mechanical contacts. I really don;t understand what exactly are you guys fearing what information is so damaging that you have to fear. You fear transactional history? We have fly buys for that... don;t know what they call it outside of australia... but it's similar to frequent flyer points. Are you scared of BEING TRACKED... well don't ypu have a mobile... with TDOA AOA and GPS why are you worrying about the future, it's here now! I find it laughable that they will track you with RFID... if you really don't want to be tracked why are you sticking your RFID so close to the recievers???? RFID are powerless cards... They only power on within a certain range usually set to about 1 meter or so. My two cents.


IcEDTenG, If you had read all the posts on this thread, you might have seen this
RFID

I wouldn't fear being tracked 24/7 if I were a prisoner, or you, maybe. However having an implanted RFID with 8 mechanical contacts is not the "American Dream" here.
What do those "mechanical contacts" have in common with a barcode? They both involve number identification. I personally don't have a cellphone. But a phone can't be implanted in people, yet!



posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 06:11 PM
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Hello, Mods.

Why is this thread so W I D E ?



posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 06:15 PM
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O.K. ,

I think this link will work.
Barcodes



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by Clearskies

Originally posted by iCEdTenG

Originally posted by GeneralT.
Microchips,as well as some barcodes have stationary 666 in them.From what I've read,(it's been awhile) the barcode lines have three numbers, that in computer language equal 666 from the three zero lines. Also when you consider that people will worship the image of the beast and the possibilties of hi-tech holograms, such as the South Korean technology out last year, being imbedded and interactive, and ELF , you have a recipe for world domination and destruction. In the Bible, God says that those accounted worthy will escape the temptation, when the time of Jacob's troubles comes, The great tribulation. Jesus said that it will be just like the days of Noah and Lot. People running around raping the same sex. We have "gay gangs" today in certain cities. But the main issue is that Noah and Lot were removed first. The Rapture. And then the New World Order will proceed just as God has planned.This time will be a judgement on mankind to make people get off the fence and choose sides. It will be very hard for some . Paul,the apostle said "I press toward the mark for the high calling of God in Christ Jesus,"or the Rapture. If anyone takes the mark, it will be too late for thier souls.


What are you talking about? Barcords? What? A smart card has 8 mechanical contacts. I really don;t understand what exactly are you guys fearing what information is so damaging that you have to fear. You fear transactional history? We have fly buys for that... don;t know what they call it outside of australia... but it's similar to frequent flyer points. Are you scared of BEING TRACKED... well don't ypu have a mobile... with TDOA AOA and GPS why are you worrying about the future, it's here now! I find it laughable that they will track you with RFID... if you really don't want to be tracked why are you sticking your RFID so close to the recievers???? RFID are powerless cards... They only power on within a certain range usually set to about 1 meter or so. My two cents.


IcEDTenG, If you had read all the posts on this thread, you might have seen this
RFID

I wouldn't fear being tracked 24/7 if I were a prisoner, or you, maybe. However having an implanted RFID with 8 mechanical contacts is not the "American Dream" here.
What do those "mechanical contacts" have in common with a barcode? They both involve number identification. I personally don't have a cellphone. But a phone can't be implanted in people, yet!


Seen what exactly? Your link does not work.



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