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"John, you will never know what it's like to see your first alien…"

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posted on Jul, 11 2007 @ 01:42 PM
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Hi John. I know this is old news that has probably been brought up before but does Bob Lazar still believe he saw a live alien at S-4?

In a couple of interviews, including last years Project Camelot interview you state that Bob Lazar did indeed see a live alien at S-4. Around the 29 minute mark you state that whilst he was being lead down a corridor at S-4 by two guards, Bob Lazar saw the back of a grey alien talking to two scientists through the door window.

From another, rarer interview from 1996 (during your quiet period) featured on an Australian documentary production you state:

"I remember a particular evening in January. Bob came in, his eyes were bright. He said "John you will never know what it's like to see your first alien". I said you're kidding. It couldn't have been a midget? "No". It couldn't have been a doll? "No". That was it. He was absolutely positive."

Though when the skeptic of all skeptics Bob Lazar is asked he always down plays the event:

"I've walked through an area and looked in a small window and saw something small there but I really can't say whether it was an alien body. There's just as much chance that they were trying to figure out the size difference and how the seats fit a body and they had made up a small mannequin or something. I didn't see anything moving about alive. So I always say no I have never seen a living alien."

Back then when the event occurred he was positive he saw an alien, but afterwards for the cameras he played it very cautiously. How often did he talk about this event, did he change his mind, and what does Bob Lazar think these days of what he saw through the window?




posted on Jul, 11 2007 @ 03:02 PM
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Below is a copy of the original piece of paper that Bob used to describe S-4 to me on the evening he told me about seeing the alien. His drawing, in his handwriting (except for the top right hand portion which I drew of NTS), includes measurements and placement of the hangars and location within the NTS. He wanted to show me how he had seen the alien through the 12 x 12 inch cross-hatched wire embedded window and how the scientists were standing, in white lab coats facing the alien and what the proportional size of the alien was to the scientists. I have told you exactly what Bob said that night out in the backyard of my house.

I have heard him give interviews saying, "What happened was I told John that I saw 'something strange' and John immedately says, "You saw an alien! I know you saw an alien." Well, with all due respect to Bob thats not the way it happened. Thats not what he said; thats not what I said.

After we came in the house he made this drawing of S-4, the hangars, the saucers and the alien he saw through the lab door. If he wants to say, "I don't know what I saw", then this is his drawing of "What he didn't know what he saw".

As far as what he says these days I have no comment. Bob has chosen to say what he says probably for very good reasons.



Enlargement of scientists and alien:





[edit: removed unnecessary quote of entire previous post]
Quoting - Please review this link

[edit on 12-7-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Jul, 12 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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Wow! Thank you for the extra details John. And thank you for 'that' original drawing. Great stuff!



posted on Jul, 12 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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You should post more of this kind of thing here

It looks like there are drawings of something on the other side?



posted on Jul, 12 2007 @ 07:40 PM
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And I thought I had seen it all concerning Bob Lazar. Thank you for posting the drawings made by Mr. Lazar! It's always refreshing to see something added to the stew. Gosh, that little guy looks pretty concerned about his situation trapped by a couple of lab coats.

[edit on 12-7-2007 by carnival_of_souls2047]



posted on Jul, 12 2007 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555





You should post more of this kind of thing here

It looks like there are drawings of something on the other side?



Yes the drawing on the other side of the paper was of "Aurora" an airplane he was told did Mach 12 at 250,000 feet. His drawing is of the aft end of Aurora as seen by him as he stepped off of the 737 at Groom Lake. He only briefly got a side view. He told me it looked like a huge X-15.

He said he only heard it take off once and that it was the loudest airplane he ever heard in his life.

The information regarding the performance of Aurora was given to him by his supervisor Dennis Mariana.



posted on Jul, 12 2007 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
After we came in the house he made this drawing of S-4, the hangars, the saucers and the alien he saw through the lab door. If he wants to say, "I don't know what I saw", then this is his drawing of "What he didn't know what he saw".


lol, it would be interesting what Lazar would say about his own drawing. It kind of gives a clear idea of what he may have seen.


Now is that saucers or saucer and would it be the sport model in the drawing?
Hangers or hanger... is there more drawings?

anyway cool stuff...



posted on Jul, 14 2007 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by XPhiles





Now is that saucers or saucer and would it be the sport model in the drawing? Hangers or hanger... is there more drawings?



He told me there were 9 saucers, each a different shape, all powered by the same type floor mounted unit, each in its own separate space inside the hangar which was about 360 feet long divided up into 9 individual 40 foot spaces. At one time all the side doors were open so that he could see the length of the entire hangar and see all 9 saucers at the same time.

The drawing below is one he made for me of what he called the 'jello mold' and the 'top hat' (bottom of drawing).

At the top right of the drawing was one of the saucers that had been hit by a projectile of some sort and he was trying to draw where the damage was located on the saucer.

I don't remember what the figure is on the top left but it is similar to the Type 3 saucer that Bill English drew for me from his recollection of what was in the Grudge 13 report.



(Below) Bill English drawing September 17, 1988. Lower left hand corner of page says: Information Analyst GS-9 Top Secret Crypto 18 (25) June 19, 1977.

The bottom drawing Bill English says was a Type 3 vehicle and I post it here because it is similar to Bob's drawing at the top left of the upper picture.




posted on Aug, 9 2007 @ 08:25 AM
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wow mind blowing these are the greys that came from Zeta Reticuli ??
i wonder how long they have been on this planet ? do they live in the hollow earth ??



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 10:34 AM
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is there a connection between Roswell and 51 ??
crash in Roswell 47 and know some 40 years latter with Lazar.

has communications been going on for some 40 years before Lazars
statements??



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by slaveearth



wow mind blowing these are the greys that came from Zeta Reticuli ??


A lot of evidence points that way, yes.


i wonder how long they have been on this planet ?


Since we've been here.


do they live in the hollow earth ??


We need to define 'hollow earth'. First of all there are vast caverns throughout the interior of the earth. This includes from the surface down hundreds of miles. There are inhabitants/occupants that live in this space.

Then there are 'underground' bases some of which go down miles. Some of these facilities or bases are occupied solely by the grays, some jointly with other types of aliens and some jointly occupied by us, (humans), the grays and other types of aliens.

So the answer to your question "do they ('the grays') live in the hollow earth" would be, no, but they occupy bases built beneath the surface of the earth.



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 11:52 AM
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Good stuff.

Has anyone described to you how communication takes place between grays and humans?

Is it telepathy?
Or does some translation need to take place?



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Essedarius




Good stuff.

Has anyone described to you how communication takes place between grays and humans?

Is it telepathy?
Or does some translation need to take place?



Its by mental telepathy. Those who have interacted with the grays say that at first it is confusing because the normal human method of communication is:

(1) Formulate the thought in your brain

(2) Send that thought to your vocal cords

(3) Use air from your lungs exhaled from your mouth to stimulate/activate your vocal cords to make audible sounds called words/conversation/expletives

The problem when you meet your first alien is that the moment you formulate a thought or question he/she/it is answering that question in your mind.

Since you have been preconditioned all of your life to wait until the process of conversation is complete, that is getting the words out of your mouth and waiting an appropriate interval for the formulation and delivery of an answer (if you are conversing with a female human this time interval is so small it is not measurable, very similar to the time response from aliens) that you are momentarily confused.

The alien is answering your questions by mental telepathy the instant you formulate them and the normal human stands there going uhh...uhhh...uhhh.... until he gets the hang of it. Sometimes this takes days sometimes it takes weeks.

I have heard that when human women start conversing by mental telepathy with aliens some of the aliens just decided to go back to Zeta Reticuli. That is why you don't see many women in many of the secret joint human/alien programs.



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 12:59 PM
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9 different saucers... Only a sight we wish we could all see, and maybe to top it off with an alien that uses telepathy ...
Hey, these guys are pretty smart, I had me a women friend that could read my mind... after a while it kind of got annoying, eventually I was starting to read hers.....


The Bill English drawing looks familiar. My father used to have several UFO mags and books. I've seen the nuclear reactor somewhere, it was either in a book my father had, or he sketched something like that before... Ah! he also worked for General Dynamics in a underground facility in New Mexico doing maintenance on machinery, he could fix anything
though he would never talk about his job much hmmmm, maybe some live aliens out there too.....

But I'm thinking maybe from a UFO book?

[edit on 10-8-2007 by XPhiles]



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 01:17 PM
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I have respect for you John. You come on here and let it all hang out for everyone to see and answer all questions on point with the same answers every time. You are consistent and I enjoy reading what you write here,
thank you!



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 01:25 PM
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according to the Tavis Walton Text...the Greys maybe robots to the Humam looking ones...Quote


Two men and a woman were standing around the table. They were all wearing velvety blue uniforms like the first man's, except that they had no helmets. The two men had the same muscularity and the same masculine good looks as the first man. The woman also had a face and figure that was the epitome of her gender. They were smooth-skinned and blemishless. No moles, freckles, wrinkles, or scars marked their skin. The striking good looks of the man I had first met became more obvious on seeing them all together. They shared a family-like resemblance, although they were not identical



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 01:32 PM
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I must say that the Tavis Walton story along with the Betty and Barny Hill story's are the ones I believe the most. There is really no explanation of either other than what they said happened.



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 11:42 PM
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Good stuff.

Has anyone described to you how communication takes place between grays and humans?

Is it telepathy?
Or does some translation need to take place?

Thank you Essedarius

The mind is most powerful ...they must us 100%
we might get lucky at 17 %

Thats why the gov. is spendig agenda... Mind Control



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 11:48 PM
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Hmmm, but even with telepathy and whatnot, you still need to understand what the person is thinking through the use of English, or whatever language they speak. Do these beings need to understand the use of the language before being able to answer? (I may have missed something though)



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by 3_Libras





Hmmm, but even with telepathy and whatnot, you still need to understand what the person is thinking through the use of English, or whatever language they speak. Do these beings need to understand the use of the language before being able to answer? (I may have missed something though)




Thoughts/ideas that are formulated in your mind do not require a language. They are expressed in a particular languarge, english for instance, to convey them to someone else when you are exchanging ideas using your vocal cords and mouth. Mental telepathy is the conveyance of thoughts/ideas without using your vocal cords and mouth or gestures.

Somebody or some being that is practicing mental telepathy on you is sending you thoughts which you convey into the langaurge you understand and speak. They are not conveying those thoughts in a particular language.



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