Originally posted by lyingunderoath
Classic cigar and sharp saucer shape are simply hoxes or seen at distance/level/speed, that look like that to our eyes.
[edit on 13-7-2007 by lyingunderoath]
Hoaxes? You're making a blanket statement that cigar-shaped (cylindrical) and saucer-shaped (disc) UFOs are hoaxes
? Hang on a moment, I hate
to eat up bandwidth, but I want to share a few such "hoaxes" with you...
Now, the above image is a detail of a much larger cave painting (in France) that seems to be brimming with very familiar UFO shapes. As you can see,
we're looking at the classic domed saucer
profile, as well as a more cone-shaped object that seems to be swooping upwards. Age of this
illustration, 17,000 to 15,000 years BC. Next...
The above image is a detail of an illustration from a 10th Century Tibetan manuscript. Maybe those are sombreros
floating in the air next to
those guys, eh? Next...
These images above are details of 14th Century European tapestries, with some courtly ladies in the foreground, and some more of those prehistoric
floating around in the distance. Next...
Now, the woodcut images above are important in that they show two separate sightings of pretty much the same UFO activity in the skies above 16th
Century Europe. These sightings were reported in the news publications of the day as some sort of sky battle
between dark-colored spheres (or
discs) and light-colored spheres (or discs), which seemed to be dispensed by huge tubes
(cylinders) hanging in the sky. The discs were seen to
and out of
these cylinders. Most interesting is the Nuremberg woodcut, in which a couple of crashed discs can be seen burning
out in the countryside, sending up plumes of smoke. These sightings remain profoundly unexplained. Next...
From about the same time as the spectacular 16th Century Basel and Nuremberg sightings, in the above image we have another of those European
tapestries with classic domed saucer profiles hanging in the sky (two on the left and one on the far right). Next...
Now, the above religious painting from the year 1710 is supposed to illustrate the Baptism of Christ
(you can just barely see John baptizing
Jesus in the lower center)... Why the painter chose to include a massive saucer levitating in the sky with four flood lights or energy beams focused
on the baptism is enigmatic, at least. Next...
Skeptics have tried to debunk the above illustration (and story) on more than one occasion. This illustration was published in 1825, depicting a
bizarre craft (a boat?
) that appeared on a beach in Japan, accompanied by a strange occupant. What's so interesting about this illustration
— to me, anyway — is that it includes little explanations of various aspects of the craft. For instance, it says the hull of this craft was
apparently made of glass and iron
. Not your first choice for boat-building materials in the early 19th Century. The illustration also
shows the weird symbols
that were seen on the inside of the craft (little pyramids and such like).
What we're seeing here are repeated depictions throughout the ages of similarly shaped objects in the sky
. Go back 17,000 years and there's
a domed saucer profile painted on a rock... Go back 1,000 years and we see illustrations of domed saucer profiles in the sky. Go back 500 years, more
of the same. Right up to the present.
So, if this is a hoax
, then it's the oldest hoax ever perpetrated by mankind upon mankind. If it's an "optical illusion," then it's the
least understood and most profoundly mysterious optical illusion in human experience. We can scientifically explain all other optical
, but not these.
Originally posted by Astronomer70
Our continual sighting of UFO's (make that read alien spacecraft) is probably nothing more that our own wishful thinking. I wish this were not so,
but unfortunately, it is.
So... What wish do you think the CroMagnon Man was wishing when he scrawled his version of a domed saucer on a cave wall 17,000 years ago? Do you
think it was the same wish as that of the medieval artisans who laboriously worked domed saucers into their elaborate tapestries? Would it be the
same wish as that of the folks worldwide who saw domed saucers in the skies throughout the 20th Century and right up to the present?
See, the wishful thinking
of humankind is entirely variable: Cavemen may wish for more meat and hides; Medieval artisans may wish to glorify
God; and modern society may wish for extraterrestrial policemen to come rescue us from ourselves. Every age has its own wishful thinking.
But what remains constant
are the identically-shaped objects
appearing in our skies for tens of thousands of years. Our wishes and
explanations may change, but those damned saucers
are still up there, unchanged
and oblivious to our
— Doc Velocity