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reply posted on 13-7-2007 @ 05:17 PM by Muaddib
Let's not forget also we have had some of the strongest Solar Flares on record in the past few years, with the strongest happening in 2003. Which again is direct proof that the Sun's activity has not decreased since 1985...

The Most Powerful Solar Flares Ever Recorded
return to SpaceWeather.com


This list is based in part on "Large Solar Flares Since 1976" compiled by IPS Radio & Space Services. The two most recent entries (Dec. 5, 2006; Sept. 7, 2005) are highlighted in red.

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Ranking Day/Month/Year X-Ray Class
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1 04/11/03 X28+
2 02/04/01 X20.0
2 16/08/89 X20.0
3 28/10/03 X17.2
4 07/09/05 X17
5 06/03/89 X15.0
5 11/07/78 X15.0
6 15/04/01 X14.4
7 24/04/84 X13.0
7 19/10/89 X13.0
8 15/12/82 X12.9
9 06/06/82 X12.0
9 01/06/91 X12.0
9 04/06/91 X12.0
9 06/06/91 X12.0
9 11/06/91 X12.0
9 15/06/91 X12.0
10 17/12/82 X10.1
10 20/05/84 X10.1
11 29/10/03 X10
11 25/01/91 X10.0
11 09/06/91 X10.0
12 09/07/82 X 9.8
12 29/09/89 X 9.8
13 22/03/91 X 9.4
13 06/11/97 X 9.4
14 24/05/90 X 9.3
15 05/12/06 X 9.0
15 06/11/80 X 9.0
15 02/11/92 X 9.0


www.spaceweather.com...

And that's without counting this..

A New Kind of Solar Storm

Going to the Moon? Be careful. A new kind of solar storm can take you by surprise.

June 10, 2005: January 2005 was a stormy month--in space. With little warning, a giant spot materialized on the sun and started exploding. Between January 15th and 19th, sunspot 720 produced four powerful solar flares. When it exploded a fifth time on January 20th, onlookers were not surprised.

They should have been. Researchers realize now that the January 20th blast was something special. It has shaken the foundations of space weather theory and, possibly, changed the way astronauts are going to operate when they return to the Moon.

Sunspot 720 unleashed a new kind of solar storm.

Scant minutes after the January 20th flare, a swarm of high-speed protons surrounded Earth and the Moon. Thirty minutes later, the most intense proton storm in decades was underway.

"We've been hit by strong proton storms before, but [never so quickly]," says solar physicist Robert Lin of UC Berkeley. "Proton storms normally develop hours or even days after a flare." This one began in minutes.

science.nasa.gov...



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reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 06:20 AM by melatonin
Jeez, I'm defending you here muaddib, heh.

Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years
Nature, Vol. 431, No. 7012, pp. 1084 - 1087, 28 October 2004.

S.K. Solanki1, I. G. Usoskin2, B. Kromer3, M. Schüssler1, and J. Beer4

Direct observations of sunspot numbers are available for the past four centuries, but longer time series are required, for example, for the identification of a possible solar influence on climate and for testing models of the solar dynamo. Here we report a reconstruction of the sunspot number covering the past 11,400 years, based on dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. We combine physics-based models for each of the processes connecting the radiocarbon concentration with sunspot number. According to our reconstruction, the level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional, and the previous period of equally high activity occurred more than 8,000 years ago. We find that during the past 11,400 years the Sun spent only of the order of 10% of the time at a similarly high level of magnetic activity and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode. Although the rarity of the current episode of high average sunspot numbers may indicate that the Sun has contributed to the unusual climate change during the twentieth century, we point out that solar variability is unlikely to have been the dominant cause of the strong warming during the past three decades.

www.ncdc.noaa.gov...

According to Sami Solanki we have 400 years of direct sunspot measures, to go back further, proxies of solar activity are used (isotope data). These guys can go back 11,000 years.

I think the graph muaddib used is actually based on Solanki's data. Although it is important to note that the conclusion of the authors.


reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 06:39 AM by awake
Originally posted by Blaine91555

Dr Lockwood initiated the study partially in response to the TV documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, broadcast on Britain's Channel Four earlier this year, which featured the cosmic ray hypothesis.


So in response to a documentary that aired this year this study was undertaken? They ruled out the Sun's involvement in a few short months? Am I the only one who noticed this? Maybe this team could solve the riddle of Life, the Universe and Everything in a couple of months too? Give them a full year and imagine what they could do

These guys figured out this in a couple of months. Very unlikely. This is politically motivated and these folks have destroyed their own credibility for life. I wonder what they are getting in return to make them do this? This is being presented as fact without any peer review in an impossibly short time.

BULL! Before I read this my mind was open to everything. This article shows that the idea of the Sun causing warming hit a real nerve. That makes me think they know its the truth and are covering their collective political butts. Perhaps their future Government Grants were dependant on them refuting that idea?


I am in absolute agreement with Blaine here - it's so obvious how much Western Governments are using/relying on this whole 'global warming' issue to implement new control/policy/money-making measures. I believe this is one of the biggest dupes on the public in history. We are being totally manipulated right now (certainly in the UK where I live) into guilt about our 'carbon footprint'.

The channel 4 programme was really hushed in the press over here in the UK - and it's not surprising!

I still believe that there are issues around pollution and poisoning the atmosphere and the Earth. If anything these real issues are getting neglected in terms of direct action because of this huge overplayed emphasis on GW.

The GW thing also serves as a perfect "we are listening to you, people" device. AVAAZ proclaimed a 'great victory' in their 'Climate Crisis' campaign when the G8 summit said they would act on their petition. So the peope in power get to carry on with their agenda AND look like they're listening to public opinion! - perfect!

(note: I have supported AVAAZ fully on some other petitions, but felt the climate crisis one was a little misguided and naive - it played right into the hands of mainstream world stage politics)

I'm still not fully clear about the GW debate , but so far the Sun activity explanation seems to be the most plausible for me at this time: both scientifically and intuitively.

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