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posted on Oct, 2 2007 @ 12:06 AM
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Jesus is Truth, do not let the responses here sway your way. Christ himself said there would be some like you and you not being a man of the cloth but taking this route is one of humility and servitude.

Women have controlled men and have been controlled by men throughout history. Read the story of Xerxes in Esther. A Persian King who unknowingly married a Jewish woman.

Prostitution is one of the oldest trades in the world. The woman knows the man is weak. The Johns that run the women know the man is weak. On the other hand, man has also subjegated women, and in the process, pornography and sex has proven to be big business.

Not many people know that during the world cup recently, that some 3000 sex slaves were brought into Germany to accomodate a hungry sex for sale crowd. Many of these women were held against there will and should they tell the police or otherwise, their lives would be in danger.

The trafficing of human beings worldwide for the sex trade, both children and adults is an abomination to the planet. If you dont believe it, go to www.interpol.org Read the sadness. Thank God for the good guys. These men and women act globaly.

Its this sex hungry money driven industry where porn is traded for drugs, and drugs for money and hell, even possibly terrorist activities. Sex is big business.

One of the major beefs against western culture by Muslims is our materialism and rampant immoral behavior in conjunction with the sexualising of women. Women compete with women looks wise to beat out other women. Men want the nicest cars and the most money to attract these women and thus starts the vicious cycle.

What part of too literal is the following scripture? The Book of enoch was known to have been read by Christ.

In the Book of Enoch, it is written:


And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways


So when one points the finger at JIT, I have to come to his defense and ask....

Mental Illness you say? He is aware of his struggle. I commend him.

Even Jesus himself resisted the allure of a woman.
Was Jesus Mentally Ill? The Jews said he was. Still do.

Jesus is Truth is practicing the way of Christ.

If the world was to act accordingly, the Muslims would have no beef with the west. Pornography and Playboy would be gone, and the world would be more peacable and less predatory to children, women, and the vulnerable.

Oversexuality in our society has created a beast where " If it feels good do it " and thats pretty much whats happening.
In a world of anything goes, its doing just that and its off the hook.

Everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial....

Peace



[edit on 2-10-2007 by HIFIGUY]




posted on Oct, 2 2007 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by JesusisTruth

Wildcat without knowing madness here are his qoutes.

" Liberating people from delusions. "


...hubris is a delusion



" Prayer is false since God is a fairy tale "


you've said this before... where did i say this?
i mean, both are obviously fabrications, as i almost never capitalize anything UNLESS it's in all caps, especially "god" and the beginning of sentences

can you provide links to where i've said these things?



Hes not sincere. He is not debating, but he hates everything about faith. Im sorry you cant see that.


no no no, i hate FAITH, and i am sincere. i don't like people believing in things that have nothing to support them in the way of evidence



Now, im also sorry you think I have mental ilness. I love my brother, but he cheats around on his women with 20 different people.


honestly, i'm starting to agree with wildcat. especially when you're resorting to things like making up quotes from me.



hes a pig, I know him, and I know this, and I will pray for him until I die.


a pig? such name calling is unbecoming of you.



" Pleasure. "

Pleasure was created by God I believe as a test, to see where you will place all your happiness.


ok, ok ok ok ok
stop, you always avoid this. you're a CATHOLIC, are you not?
why don't you acknowledge evolution?



Sex, and orgasms are things God created, things we know as most pleasurable, but compared to Gods power are nothing.


again, evolution
you're a catholic, you're supposed to acknowledge it.



We put everything into pleasure and selfishness and we get destroyed.


true, but i don't think most people are selfish.



posted on Oct, 2 2007 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
no no no, i hate FAITH, and i am sincere. i don't like people believing in things that have nothing to support them in the way of evidence


Would you admit that you dont know either way?


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

true, but i don't think most people are selfish.


LOL...are you kidding me? A system of commerce and nations that lets people starve worldwide while their homes and companies are filled with plenty. Everything about capitalism is about gain.
Even in the Bible, as the Story goes, Adam and Eve were only thinking about what they wanted, and not what God had commanded.

We spend 1.25 Trillion dollars on weapons to support ideals that people scripted.

This whole world is about power and control. You have been reminded by Christ that there is ultimate power and control and that you are without excuse once you understand.

Look up Yahehu on Google, it came to me in a dream once..then search for his name in the article. The punch line is that a young child named Yahehu was dying due to lack of food. His flesh was falling off his body from lack of nutrition. He died. Now you know who Yahehu was. True Story


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you're a catholic, you're supposed to acknowledge it.


Amazing. You recognize Catholicism that according to you is based on an illusionary God. You even recognize what he is and is not supposed to believe.

On a sidenote, Madness, do you just come up with what you want to believe or do you have like the Master Law book by your desk. What is your litmus test for what is right and wrong?

Peace


[edit on 2-10-2007 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Oct, 2 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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It is true most people are selfish, but god did not make sex pleasurable to test us.

For example, dolphins have sex sometimes for pleasure. If creationism is real, then why would god make it ok for dolphins to have sex for pleasure and not humans? Does this mean all dolphins are going to hell? Does god love dolphins more than humans?

No, it's because of evolution.


A loving father would never make something so pleasurable and irresistible just to test us. Now that is cruel.

[edit on 2-10-2007 by wildcat]



posted on Oct, 2 2007 @ 05:20 PM
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Athiests aren't really that bad, they're very rational. It is in fact that believers are the unjust ones.

-Radical Islam
-Roman Inquisition
-Crusades
-Medieval Roman Catholic Church
-The destruction of Greek and Roman scientific discoveries by RCC
-Holy Wars
-Divine Right

I thought I should point out before anyone says anything that when I say believers, I am not accusing all believers of injustice.



posted on Oct, 2 2007 @ 10:18 PM
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Madness, evolution is against our faith. If your talking about JP2 talking about it.

He was a freemason, and not catholic, and was an antipope of the new age revolution whos job it is to join all faith with the world.

One saint said.

(when the church and the world are one, the time is at hand "

infact this was alester crowleys plan and the freemasons, but this is a different subject.

Pleasure I believe was created, but mixed with love in marriage.

Now sins of pleasure outside of the marriage God said are wrong.

I think its a test to see where you place your happiness, we have to be proved by God.

" If it feels good do it "

Yea this was created in the 60s, by again the new age revolution. satanists, Crowley, all the ones who pushed free sex, ect.

They dreamed of this age, and its here, and it wont last long. And it will end with WW3 and nukes.


Guys look. The orginal post was as sincere as I could get. This post was for christians struggling with lust.

I said.

" Lets pray for each other so that we can overcome " ect.

Thats what its for.

" making up qoutes "

No, im resolved to not lie madness. I dont like lies.

You said that God is a fairy tale, and that pray is false practice.

peace.



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 09:56 AM
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Jesus did not resist all women,he loved Mary Magdalene and probably got physical with her,but i bet you can't handle the idea of that!!

If God created orgasms it means he wanted us to enjoy sex!
If God created beauty it means he wanted us to appreciate it!




10 seconds of an organ God created. He creats that fealing, and peole deny God because of placing their happiness in sensuality.


I'm sure most guys can last longer than 10 seconds! lol.
Man can't have multiple orgasms,but women can.If sex is so wrong,why make it so pleasurable? You say that sex within marriage is the only thing you accept,but not all men and women are physically compatible.man will always be able to get his rocks off,and while he's dosing the women are looking under the covers wondering where their orgasm has got to!!
They are unsatisfied,unfulfilled.you think this is fare??

The main problem i think you have is that you can't seperate sex and rape.You seem to think that the modern world invented rape.just look at history,at times when women wore more clothes than they do today.they still got raped! why? because its not about what a women wears,its about a man wanting to violate her!!
You also seem to think that pornography is another modern invention.not true.ancient cultures had their own forms in carvings and pictures.later on in history came photos and then films.its these 2 things that spread porn to a wider audience.


And i see your another who believes that A.Crowley was a satanist.not true.he was many things;sexist,misogynistic,racist,magician etc.but definatly not a satanist!
He was an occultist,which is a completely different thing.occult means "that which is hidden." popular culture and those with no understanding linked it with satan.he believed and searched for hidden truths.people like to quote his book The Lesser Key of Solomon because it contains incantation to raise up spirits.but what they fail to mention is that the spirits are not all evil.over half of them are good.for example,Buer.the 10th spirit,who teaches "Moral and Natural Philosophy." as the saying goes,don't believe the hype!!



If you wan't to help fellow christians with the problems of lust,then do so.just remember this;pedophiles,rapists,peeping toms etc are sufferers of mental illnesses! they are not victims of being highly sexed or lust.they are victims of their own minds.learn to seperate,and you will be able to help.if not,you will screw people up with your misguided views.





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[edit on 3-10-2007 by jakyll]



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Would you admit that you dont know either way?


yes, i'm an agnostic atheist for a reason. i don't know, but i don't believe because there's no good reason to believe.

and nobody else knows... yet the religious are so sure that certain people will face eternal reward and others eternal punishment.



LOL...are you kidding me? A system of commerce and nations that lets people starve worldwide while their homes and companies are filled with plenty. Everything about capitalism is about gain.


yes, this is a product of environment, not humanity.



Even in the Bible, as the Story goes, Adam and Eve were only thinking about what they wanted, and not what God had commanded.


...what god commanded was stupid.



We spend 1.25 Trillion dollars on weapons to support ideals that people scripted


...this says nothing about people as a whole



This whole world is about power and control. You have been reminded by Christ that there is ultimate power and control and that you are without excuse once you understand.


i understand that jesus said a few good things (nothing that buddha or confuscius didn't say first). i also understand that jesus was most likely nonexistent.



Look up Yahehu on Google, it came to me in a dream once..then search for his name in the article. The punch line is that a young child named Yahehu was dying due to lack of food. His flesh was falling off his body from lack of nutrition. He died. Now you know who Yahehu was. True Story


..yes, it sadly happens all the time.



Amazing. You recognize Catholicism that according to you is based on an illusionary God. You even recognize what he is and is not supposed to believe.


....it's amazing that i have knowledge of a religion?
...a religion i used to actually follow.

and honestly, evolution doesn't really contradict christianity, it only contradicts immature and theologically lacking christianity.



On a sidenote, Madness, do you just come up with what you want to believe or do you have like the Master Law book by your desk. What is your litmus test for what is right and wrong?


i believe in whatever has evidence to support its existence.
i have no "beliefs" with regard to religion

right and wrong are based on simple secular moral philosophy. we all have a degree evolutionary morality, an innate sense of right and wrong. we clearly have cultural morality.
there is no really evidence to show that religion is the cause of morality


Originally posted by JesusisTruth
Madness, evolution is against our faith. If your talking about JP2 talking about it.


evolution is as much against your faith as heliocentrism.
what about the big bang? a PRIEST came up with that theory
you're a catholic, you don't take the bible literally.



He was a freemason, and not catholic, and was an antipope of the new age revolution whos job it is to join all faith with the world.


ok... i have a question for you: what does catholic mean?



One saint said.

(when the church and the world are one, the time is at hand "


...i don't take much stock in saints. apparently being the victim of jew who drinks the blood of christian children for passover is enough to become a saint... no, jews never actually did that, but for some reason people were made saints over it.



infact this was alester crowleys plan and the freemasons, but this is a different subject.


...haha
crowley was for PERSONAL religion. you really misunderstand his teaching.



Pleasure I believe was created, but mixed with love in marriage.

Now sins of pleasure outside of the marriage God said are wrong.


what about the midianite virgin girls he let the jewish army rape for pleasure?



I think its a test to see where you place your happiness, we have to be proved by God.


i place my happiness in helping people in need, where does that put me?



" If it feels good do it "

Yea this was created in the 60s, by again the new age revolution. satanists, Crowley, all the ones who pushed free sex, ect.


...no, crowley wasn't that influential. you're giving him more credit than he deserves. and satanists? really?
and it was actually created... thousands of years before christianity.



They dreamed of this age, and its here, and it wont last long. And it will end with WW3 and nukes.


no, it won't.



Guys look. The orginal post was as sincere as I could get. This post was for christians struggling with lust.


no, this post was about a horridly repressive and downright psychotic view of the world.



I said.

" Lets pray for each other so that we can overcome " ect.

Thats what its for.


we're still allowed to challenge your beliefs, christian and atheist alike have been doing so.



" making up qoutes "

No, im resolved to not lie madness. I dont like lies.

You said that God is a fairy tale, and that pray is false practice.


you were CLEARLY making up quotes, just by looking at the capitalization.
i may have said your god is a MYTH, but never a fairy tale and i've said that prayer to your god has been shown to be as useful as prayer to a jug of milk, but the quotes you gave were clearly fabrications.



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll

Man can't have multiple orgasms,but women can.[edit on 3-10-2007 by jakyll]


Why would god make women be able to have more orgasms than men?
Does this mean evolution is true? I wonder since women get more orgasms, they would nag sex more than men from evolution. I see a balance here, so maybe the balance was made from god.



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
right and wrong are based on simple secular moral philosophy. we all have a degree evolutionary morality, an innate sense of right and wrong. we clearly have cultural morality.


Your morality is Evolutionary? What is right? What is wrong?

Ok Hitler

There were about 17 Million German soldiers and about 1 Million SS who had their own cultural morality in the form of Genocide. They thought they were right


Peace

[edit on 3-10-2007 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 05:25 PM
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Well,women have the clitoris.And the soul purpose of the clitoris is to give sexual pleasure.Men do not have anything similar to this.(the penis is multi-functional)

As most men can't even find the clitoris,maybe God didn't create it just for them....



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 05:30 PM
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There were about 17 Million German soldiers and about 1 Million SS who had their own cultural morality in the form of Genocide.


Most of the common soldiers,like most of the civilian population,were not Nazi's!
Hell,most of them weren't even Facists!

Hitler swept to power through the use of violence.And because the feeling of self preservation is very strong in humans,many men and women went along with the madness of the Nazi's because they didn't want to be killed and they didn't want their families to be killed.Which happened to many soldiers who refused to take part in the slaughter of innocents.Many also commited suicide,but these are the kind've things you don't get to hear about....



[edit on 3-10-2007 by jakyll]



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 05:55 PM
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My argument was against evolution just in case you didnt lknow.

(pardon my grammer, my triceps and arms are torne from my workout just now)

Wouldmjnt evolution cause women to desire zsex more than men b/c it feels better to thrm? Maybe evolution isnt true.



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll
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There were about 17 Million German soldiers and about 1 Million SS who had their own cultural morality in the form of Genocide.


Most of the common soldiers,like most of the civilian population,were not Nazi's!
Hell,most of them weren't even Facists!

Hitler swept to power through the use of violence.[edit on 3-10-2007 by jakyll]


Hitler rose to power via the VOTE. The context or my response was to the " Evolution" of morality.

Now you bring up FEAR.

Fear and Voting was how Hitler rose to power. Evolved group mentallity that lead to an abomination of rights against mankind.

Fear and Voting is where this current administration is on a side note..

Lust of Power was what happened here. Flesh is merely one of them.

When one acts upon their lust, be it drugs, women, power, war, or money, it usually ends up bad.

Peace

[edit on 3-10-2007 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 06:26 PM
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S'aight.my fault for mis-reading.

Women do desire sex a helluva lot.trust me,i know.lol.its just society has always oppressed that kinda stuff in us.its always been seen as inproper and wicked behaviour.hell,in victorian society,the female orgasm was seen as a myth! and it was believed women became prostitutes not because they were poor and starving but because they were over-sexed and enjoyed it!


If you look at the animal kingdom,you have those that mate for life and then others were the male is kicked out of the herd to then roam around,and then others where a male has his own lil hareem.
If nature is so diverse,doesn't it make sence for it to be the same with mankind?



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 06:31 PM
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Hitler rose to power via the VOTE. The context or my response was to the " Evolution" of morality.


Correct.but only after he'd killed off all oponents!

I don't think morals have evolved too much over time.life changes around us with new discoveries and new inventions etc.but humans are basically the same.we just all have different views.



posted on Oct, 3 2007 @ 08:18 PM
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enough with the immature mock grammer

I was only speculating



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Your morality is Evolutionary? What is right? What is wrong?


no, but there is a level of evolutionary morality.



Ok Hitler


ok namecalling godwin.



There were about 17 Million German soldiers and about 1 Million SS who had their own cultural morality in the form of Genocide. They thought they were right



let me add a few things

there were about 17 million CHRISTIAN german soldiers and about 1 million CHRISTIAN SS who had their own religious morality that didn't prevent genocide, they still thought they were right.

not surprising when you're working from a book that praises genocide.

however, the morality of nazi germany isn't philosophically sound, so you really lose the argument...

and why'd you fail to address the other points i made?



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 06:35 AM
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Immature?

You asked a question and i replied.how is that being immature?



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 05:58 PM
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It was your improper use of spaces and capitolization that led me to believe that you were mocking my inability to type correctly at that moment.

[edit on 4-10-2007 by wildcat]




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