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Originally posted by Karilla
Hi, Shearder, I just wondered if you could provide some recent examples of Catholic priests going to prison for child abuse. Thanks.
21 months in prison for Catholic priest Pichette
CBC News, Canada/January 10, 2007
Roman Catholic priest Daniel Pichette will serve 21 months in prison after pleading guilty in Quebec Wednesday to several counts of sexual assault involving Duplessis Orphans more than half a century ago.
Chicago Priest Gets 5 Years in Prison After Pleading Guilty to Charges of Sexual Abuse of Boys
Monday, July 02, 2007
Despite the common perception that clergy who sexually assault children are almost never punished, more than 70 priests and ministers have been sent to prison for child molestation since 1985.
Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
This is the point I am making: Crimen solicitationis is indicative of a worldwide policy of absolute secrecy and control of all cases of sexual abuse by the clergy.
Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
At least the BBC is accountable, unlike the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church have been harbouring Pheadophiles for years. The Catholic Church is more Biased than the BBC is. Check their history...
Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Look at whats been happening over in the USA, how many years has ot took those victims to bring those who carried out these abuses to court? Year upon years If everything was above board. Then why hide the fact? Why wait to do something about it. Until those abused brought this to court?
Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
It is not designed for sexual sins as you put it, it was enforced to silence those from reporting abuses that were taken place inside the caltholic church at the time.
Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Father Tom Doyle is a canon lawyer. He had a diplomatic career with the Vatican but was sacked after he criticised the church's handling of child abuse.
If the Vatican was not controlling this, then why was this Lawyer sacked? for criticising the chruch's hadnling of these cases?
[Extra removed]
Shall I post all the cases also pending regarding sexual abuse? Going back 20 or 30 years?
Actually, Father Doyle wrote, Catholics do not have a right to daily Mass, according to church law. Daily Mass is a strong custom, but not "an essential element of the practice" of the faith. He also contradicted Archbishop O'Brien by saying the archbishop's permission was not needed to substitute a communion service on Sunday for a Mass if no Catholic priest was available.
Father Doyle said his memorandum came to the attention of the archbishop when an employee of the Catholic ministry at the base found a copy. The employee, believing that it meant she would lose her daily Mass, sent it to the archbishop's office.
Archbishop O'Brien said Father Doyle's positions had caused him to lose confidence. "There is nothing more important to our priests and our people than the Eucharistic celebration," he wrote in terminating the priest's chaplaincy. "Your refusal to accept that and your attempt to provide an alternate authority on that issue is unacceptable."
Originally posted by shearder
I was brought up a Catholic and I believe in God and if man, i.e. the Pope, or any one representing the church, sins, it is on his head and he needs to ask forgiveness - i will not bash him as he needs answer for what he has done. This also holds true for those a thousand years ago - perhaps they had a personal game plan and many suffered but that did not echo what God wanted as far as i believe.
Originally posted by Karilla
In my opinion the only cases that get to court are the ones that attract media attention, the ones the public get to hear about. The real extent of sexual abuse in the Catholic church has to be greater than that.
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I do understand and you obviously believe that the Roman Church is the one true Church, but what if you are wrong.
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
These men act knowing that they have a devoted following, it is only because of the numbers of these followers that they are assured of their immunity.
Many Popes have committed repeated acts of evil, they may have confessed and asked for forgiveness but how does that help the many who have suffered at their hands.
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
The atrocities committed in the name of Catholicism in the Second World War under the cover of Nazism are but one example. Not only did the Pope offer silent sanction to the perpetrators, he invited them to an audience and offered them his blessing. Their spiritual leader Cardinal Stepinac was beatified by Pope John Paul II in 1998.
According to solidly based data he saved several hundred Jews during the WW2: either by direct action, or by secret rescripts to the clergymen, including mixed marriages, conversion to Catholicism, as did some Righteous in other European countries (in Greece for instance).
Already in 1936 Stepinac began to support materially and by other means Jewish refugees from Germany and Austria in Croatia. In 1937, while only 39 years old, he became Archbishop. In 1938 he founded "Action for help to refugees." Archbishop Stepinac also founded Croatian Caritas. In January 11, 1939 he sent a request to 298 addresses of eminent Croats asking for help:
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Your Church is the sinner, not the men, they are merely corrupted by the power it provides. As long as you and others CHOOSE to follow this evil it will continue to exist. Without you it is nothing, it is you that validates its behaviour.
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Franciscan monks assisted in the murder of over 500,000 serbian orthodox christians and the forced conversion to Catholicism of a further 250,000. Pope Pius XII was kept fully informed of these events by Stepinac and other Bishops and Clergymen. He never once denounced them, he never once asked them to stop, rather he encouraged pro-Ustasha literature to be circulated in Catholic publications.
The Pope secretly worked to save as many Jewish lives as possible from the Nazis, whose extermination campaign began its most intense phase only after the War had started. It is here that the anti-Catholics try to make their hay: Pius XII is charged either with cowardly silence or with outright support of the Nazi extermination of millions of Jews.
Much of the impetus to smear the Vatican regarding World War II came, appropriately enough, from a work of fiction—a stage play called The Deputy, written after the War by a little-known German Protestant playwright named Rolf Hochhuth.
Originally posted by NJE777
here is an update
LA Cardinal offers an apology...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
sorry, but an apology doesn't cover it imo.
its all damage control.
Originally posted by Gorman91
WE ARE ALL SAVED IDIOT. Jesus said that, well, not the idiot part. Simply follow the golden rule in whatever religion you are in and all is fine for you.
Originally posted by dbrandt
So according to your interpretation of the Golden Rule it would be OK for me to call you an idiot also? From my take on the Golden Rule it is not.
Since we are giving Bible lessons, here's one. Calling someone a name is the beginning of murder. How?
Sin begins with a thought. Thoughts become expressed in words. Words become actions. Calling someone an idiot indicates hatred. Hatred left unchecked and allowed to go through to the end can result in an actual murder.
[edit on 17-7-2007 by dbrandt]
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
As for the ROMAN catholic church being the only "Real" Christian Church - yes of-course it is highly laughable - we have been laughing at the Emperor of Rome er... I mean the Pope for a WHILE now!
The basic concept of Christianity is faith in an omnipresent God. Quite how the Catholic Church can translate this into meaning that God can only be properly worshipped in their special buildings and according to their special rules is something of a mystery.
Originally posted by shearder
Though the common assumption "where there is smoke there is fire" can be applied in this case, i believe the truth is more than what can be placed into this thread and needs to be researched outside and one's own mind made up. The truth is yours to determine. However, many books and publications have been published by anti-catholics regarding these alleged WWII atrocities.
Originally posted by shearder
Source
The Pope secretly worked to save as many Jewish lives as possible from the Nazis, whose extermination campaign began its most intense phase only after the War had started. It is here that the anti-Catholics try to make their hay: Pius XII is charged either with cowardly silence or with outright support of the Nazi extermination of millions of Jews.
Much of the impetus to smear the Vatican regarding World War II came, appropriately enough, from a work of fiction—a stage play called The Deputy, written after the War by a little-known German Protestant playwright named Rolf Hochhuth.
Originally posted by shearder
Now i do not, for one moment say that there were perhaps unknown atrocities, there probably were, but I also believe there is more than what meets the eye and there are truths from both sides and sometimes there needs to be smoke screens where some may be sacrificed to save many - my opinion only.
Originally posted by shearder
Also, i notice in your post you do not mention how many Jews or others were saved by the "Catholic Church" during WWII - which was being led by Pope Pius XII - I assume it was an honest omission.
Edit to add: More on Pius XII
[edit on 17/7/2007 by shearder]