Time Short For An Effective Strike Against Iran

Johnsky
Read the post I made. The reference material I posted clearly says Israel got there power plant for enriching material to weapons grade from the French.
I think I said the U.S. does not export WMD. Nuclear technology or items that can me used to make the plants can be exported but that is way to broad to talk about here.

Originally posted by RedGolem
Johnsky
Read the post I made. The reference material I posted clearly says Israel got there power plant for enriching material to weapons grade from the French.
I think I said the U.S. does not export WMD. Nuclear technology or items that can me used to make the plants can be exported but that is way to broad to talk about here.

From somebody who knows way more about this subject than you:

"Without American approval and the financial assistance and lobbying of Jews in North America, Israel could not have achieved its nuclear capability."

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[edit on 11-7-2007 by uberarcanist]

Uberar
Ok so your saying that it required the lobby of the Jews is the U.S. to get the French, who depend on about a thirty percent Muslim vote, to build the power plant in a secrete location in Israel with out the over sight of the IAEA. OK that is kind of a round about way to get things done. So where is your reference material to prove this?

My response, uber, is that I disagree.

You may be right that Israel doesn't manufacture sunshile, rainbows and lillipops, and export them to the U.S. But it is my opinion that unwaivering support in a region where western influance is shunned, almost entirely out of jealousy and religious fervor, is good enough to me. Israel has chosen to be a player on the world stage, and we support them for that. At least some of us, anyways.

@ redgolem's comment on US & UK giving Israel nukes being nothing more than hateful propaganda....well,there is no evidence either way.but you can't deny that us and the rest of the world have stood by and let then arm themselves with the deadliest weapon known to man.

I don't think it matters how long they've had the nukes.what matters is that it is a country bred on violence and they have them to use.

In redgolem's link to the newspaper article who,like me,looked at the picture and thought,"how do i know that is a picture of a uranium mine? how do i know if its even in Iran?!"

Originally posted by jhanks28cold
My response, uber, is that I disagree.

You may be right that Israel doesn't manufacture sunshile, rainbows and lillipops, and export them to the U.S. But it is my opinion that unwaivering support in a region where western influance is shunned, almost entirely out of jealousy and religious fervor, is good enough to me. Israel has chosen to be a player on the world stage, and we support them for that. At least some of us, anyways.

Is it worth it to have a "friend" in the Middle East (never mind how many times Israel has stabbed us in the back), when to do so pisses off the rest of the region?

Originally posted by jhanks28cold

Originally posted by uberarcanist
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Israel is not an ally, she is a parasite. Can you name ONE thing Israel's done for America?

How about some dialouge instead of quoting and one liners. How about you name one thing that points Israel out as "parasitic."

Israel has given the U.S. unwaivering support, something even it's citizen's have a difficult time accomplishing.

USS LIBERTY


please read up on this so called support - they bombed a US ship because they intecepted the slaughter the prisoners order.

learn historty of the zionist regime and learn the truth.

Not to mention Jonathan Pollard or the Lavon Affair...

The deeper you go, the smellier it gets.

With a friend like Israel, who needs enemies?

Originally posted by jhanks28cold
My response, uber, is that I disagree.

You may be right that Israel doesn't manufacture sunshile, rainbows and lillipops, and export them to the U.S. But it is my opinion that unwaivering support in a region where western influance is shunned, almost entirely out of jealousy and religious fervor, is good enough to me Israel has chosen to be a player on the world stage, and we support them for that. At least some of us, anyways.

Jealous of what? The force used to "coherce" country after country into accepting Western Captalism at the benefit of Western investors? Maybe their jealous of the largest stockpile of strategic and tactical Nuclear forces?

Do you honestly believe the only gripe of nations around the world is that their jealous of the US? Have you read up on the history of US intervention on the behalf of Corporate Finance Capital?

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
I would trust Iran over Israel. Why? Because Israel is not trustworthy, as it has always been in a state of "self defence", otherwise known as pointless aggression, due to the "history" of itself..

Really....I mean, its not like they've been responsible with nuclear weapons for the last 40 years. Heck Israel used nukes in the Six Day War, the Yom Kippur War, and the various Lebanese-Israeli Wars.... [ /sarcasm ]

Come one. They've had nukes for 4 decades, and they haven't used them once. If that isn't a demonstrable history of responsibility with nuclear weapons, than the yardstick you're using to measure them with is intentionally impossibly long. You're letting your anti-Israeli bias cloud your objectivity and its giving you a warped view of reality.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Jealous of what? The force used to "coherce" country after country into accepting Western Captalism at the benefit of Western investors?

I have no doubt the corporations will lobby what ever statesmen will listen to let them make bids on contracts or peddle goods. But what force is being used to coerce a country into accepting capitalist business fundamentals or individual corporate presence?

Originally posted by Harlequin



please read up on this so called support - they bombed a US ship because they intecepted the slaughter the prisoners order.

learn historty of the zionist regime and learn the truth.

On your advice, I did what research I could on this event. I agree it is a tragedy, but I do not believe it was done on purpose. Sorry. Mistakes do happen, and that clearly was determined to be a mistake by both parties. Not to mention the reperations paid out by Israel.


To answer your question, InSpiteOf, I was referring to the jealousy many people in the middle east harbor over our support. After the events of the holocaust, I do believe that they deserve an ally, to prevent a repeat of the atrocities. But deny that said jealousy exists, and all of the world's problems are the fault of the U.S. That is your right.

[edit on 11-7-2007 by jhanks28cold]

Originally posted by RedGolem

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Jealous of what? The force used to "coherce" country after country into accepting Western Captalism at the benefit of Western investors?

I have no doubt the corporations will lobby what ever statesmen will listen to let them make bids on contracts or peddle goods. But what force is being used to coerce a country into accepting capitalist business fundamentals or individual corporate presence?

Apparently you don't know much about the Iraq War.

Originally posted by RedGolem

I have no doubt the corporations will lobby what ever statesmen will listen to let them make bids on contracts or peddle goods. But what force is being used to coerce a country into accepting capitalist business fundamentals or individual corporate presence?

Unfortunately that is a long, off topic discussion. If you really want to get into it, i guess we can start a thread, dealing with the reasons US leaders and policy makers were so threatened with communism and socialism. Within that subject, lies the reasoning of US interventionism, and the brutality US forces have employed in the name of "democracy".

Yes would be off topic, and no doubt a long complex discussion.
Thanks for the response.

No problem, I've always enjoyed the conversations I've had with you.

On to the topic at hand:

One other issue id like to consider is what exactly they mean by an effective strike. Iran is a huge country, crippling their defensive forces is only one part of the fight. Also, the language is suspect in my books "Effective Strike" and "First Strike" seem unfortunatly close, when dealing with a supposedly "Nuclear" country. Those itchy trigger fingers in the White House dont need to much convincing.

What would attacking Iran do for the US? It certainly wouldnt make the US safe from terrorists, infact IMO it would do the opposite. The US could maintain an ideological monopoly by removing Iran. Certainly silencing a dissenting voice is a plus. All that crude Oil is a gem in the rough aswell. Did i miss anything?

Wow thanks for the kind words InSpiteOf!!!

As to the effective strike.
I think the person in the news story was referring to there nuclear installations and ability to make fissionable material. With the tunnels that are being put in they can keep key components safe, things like that.
As to all out war, I think I will just let that one go for the time being. I am not to sure how that would play out.