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posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 10:19 PM
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Scientology cited in killings


www.smh.com.au

"THE young woman needed psychiatric care, and she knew it. She tried to get help twice, but her Scientologist parents had a religious objection to psychiatric intervention."

" But it was too late. The unfolding tragedy came to its bloody head at Revesby last Thursday. After an argument with her mother, the young woman was found that afternoon confused and wandering the street with a knife. Inside the family home her father and teenage sister lay dead. On the driveway outside, her mother moaned"
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 10:19 PM
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I cannot believe people actually believe this Scientology junk, it should be outlawed to prevent anymore horrific tragedies like this happening again.



www.smh.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 11:15 PM
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Scientologists aren't the only group that rejects the use of psychiatric doctors or medications for that matter.

What a tragedy, she needed help, its obvious now, but way too late.



posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 11:22 PM
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this wouldn't be the first time religions / ideologies are directly responsible for killings...





posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 11:26 PM
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Lets all listen to Tom Cruise people....he is the ideal model of mental health
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posted on Jul, 9 2007 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by they see ALL
this wouldn't be the first time religions / ideologies are directly responsible for killings...




This isn't even the first person Scientology and its teachings have killed. I'm sure we all remember Lisa McPherson



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:01 AM
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One word. WOW.

If tom cruise breaks a leg or back, I bet he goes to a "rebilitator" or Physical Therapy. If you have a mental issue, Guess what, theres Mental Therapy or Mental rebilitator options left, How in the hell does Scientology prevent the uses of such "COMMON" and "SIMPLE" ideas to a problem.

Oh yeah they believe the Ets will Save them, or at least be waiting for them.

I believe in Ets but not that they are our "Gods" or "Problem solvers" There more or less just observing and watching.

Tom, why dont you promote world hunger or World housing rather then world destruction.

[edit on 10-7-2007 by Tranceopticalinclined]



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by Cassiel

Originally posted by they see ALL
this wouldn't be the first time religions / ideologies are directly responsible for killings...




This isn't even the first person Scientology and its teachings have killed. I'm sure we all remember Lisa McPherson


Wow, i have never heard of Lisa McPherson but thanks for the info. Noting like that has ever happened here (Australia) until this. Sadly Scientology is only getting bigger in the land down under, even James Packer has been taken hook line and sinker. It even spooked his old man.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:22 AM
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I also never heard of the Lisa McPherson case, so sad that that her death could have been prevented.

I have read some about Scientology but I am still clueless as to what they are all about. I read the wiki info but I remember reading something about them believing in some alien connection that was not in the wiki info. Does anyone have any links to this?

Either way, I am glad that I am not a big believer of religion, but that's for another thread.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:32 AM
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Its been a while since I read anything about that group also but what I remember them being about is relieving you of your money for every step they put you through. Then they always add more steps.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by scooler1
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I have read some about Scientology but I am still clueless as to what they are all about.





Xenu (sometimes Xemu) is introduced as an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs.


en.wikipedia.org...

Its really just as if someone converted D+ Sci-Fi novel into a religion, wait up....thats just what Hubbard did :haha:

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posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:49 AM
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Oh the drama.....
You all keep sucking at the teat of the mass media and walk blindly down the road to ignorance.

Has anyone that's posted in this thread so far even been into a Scientology Church ?
Has anyone posting so far even read one of their books ?

I hate these threads because everyone just jumps before they take a look.:shk:



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 12:54 AM
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Are you a member of their church, anxietydisorder? If so, enlighten us because what I have read is so weird that it is hard to believe that there are people that "buy" in to it.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by scooler1
Are you a member of their church, anxietydisorder? If so, enlighten us...


... don't forget that enlightenment from scientologists comes at a $ price.

Very sad story though, sounds like a real tragedy that could have been avoided if she had received the help she needed.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Oh the drama.....

[...]



The story is simple, the girl had ongoing mental problems, her scientologist parents forbade her treatment, or medication and she stabbed them in a psychotic state. Simple, no drama. Why are you getting your back up?

BTW, Jamie Packer is now Australia's richest man, if people outside Australia weren't aware. He joined scientology after he and Rupert Murdoch's son lost several hundred million in a failed telco startup in Australia and his second engagement failed.

So yes, anxiety, please do enlighten us (beyond hissing at us, again, to go get a personality test, visit a church, ask a scientologist etc.). You were (or are) one aren't you? Please, we are all waiting...



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 01:31 AM
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No, I'm not a member of Scientology, but was at one time. I probably know more about the inner workings of the Church than anyone else on ATS.

I was a member of the Sea Org. and worked at Celebrity Center in Hollywood.
I've worked closely with Heber Jentz and David Miscavige, and spent time at many of the Scientology Centers.

Every time I get involved in one of these threads and attempt to explain the beliefs of the Church I get shot down by ignorant people that know nothing other than what they see in the media. I find that members only want to hear the salacious dirt that gets spewed out by TV, newspapers, or web-sites like Operation Clambake.

I've made many posts concerning the CoS, but the truth means nothing to most people here. I've even offered to answer specific questions concerning this Church, but people turn a blind eye, or are afraid to ask.

I was one of the organizers of L. Ron Hubbard's funeral, and worked in their media center, but very few people care to hear what really goes on.


Search some of my old posts, you'll see what I mean.
I think I'll go start a thread on the evils of Christianity, Lord knows there's enough evil in their past to fill an encyclopedia.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by anxietydisorder
I think I'll go start a thread on the evils of Christianity, Lord knows there's enough evil in their past to fill an encyclopedia.


So because one religion has been the cause of horrific events, then it's OK for another to be? I guess by that rationale it's OK for Islamic forces to slaughter Christians wherever they find them, because hey, the Christians did it first?

Knowing some of the facts when it comes to any religious organisation, be it Christianity, Scientology, Hinduism, whatever, does by no means illustrate that you know everything about every aspect of the religion in question or the actions of it's followers. I could quite as easily say, that I've been to a Christian church, and everyone there was very peaceful, so it must go to follow that the Crusades never happened.



posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 01:45 AM
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I find it funny how almost any scientologist will defend themselves by asking the same questions... "Have you even been to a scientology church? ...or read one of the books?", almost as if they're trying to pursuade you into doing so.

I tend to think of myself as having the mental capacity to see through such rubbish, but even then, I wouldn't risk going to one of the church's or even reading one of the books for a second.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Mr. Garrison takes his class to the local planetarium for a field trip. The class ends up being hypnotized when the planetarium owner turns up the intensity of the projection. When anyone gets suspicious the owner insists that they go check it out -- to "see for themselves" how harmless it is. Of course, they then end up getting brainwashed aswell.




posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by anxietydisorder

I was a member of the Sea Org.



You mean this Sea Org ?



In 1967, L. Ron Hubbard further distanced himself from the controversy attached to Scientology by resigning as executive director of the church and appointing himself "Commodore" of a small fleet of Scientologist-crewed ships that spent the next eight years cruising the Mediterranean Sea. Here, Hubbard formed the religious order known as the "Sea Organization" or "Sea Org," with titles and uniforms. The Sea Org subsequently became the management group within Hubbard's Scientology empire.

He was attended by "Commodore's Messengers," teenaged girls dressed in white hot pants who waited on him hand and foot, bathing and dressing him and even catching the ash from his cigarettes.[1] He had frequent screaming tantrums and instituted brutal punishments such as incarceration in the ship's filthy chain-locker for days or weeks at a time and "overboarding," in which errant crew members were blindfolded, bound and thrown overboard, dropping up to 40 ft. into the cold sea,[1] hoping not to hit the side of the ship with its sharp barnacles on the way down.[1][80] Some of these punishments, such as imprisonment in the chain-locker, were applied to children as well as to adults.[1


Ron L Hubbards bio

anxietydisorder did you have teenaged girls dressed in white hot pants wait on you hand and foot ?. But please if people wanna believe in this sicko, dont let the fact he is insane stop you



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posted on Jul, 10 2007 @ 02:12 AM
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I guess I'll take these one at a time, and Implosion is first.
I can only type so fast..............



Originally posted by Implosion

So because one religion has been the cause of horrific events, then it's OK for another to be?


You and I both know that's not the case, but the major religions have caused a lot more harm than Scientology ever did.
I know I'll need to pick my words carefully in this thread because every one of them will be examined and picked apart in an attempt to discredit me.



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