Originally posted by g60kg
Thanks for your reply John. I was wondering how much material you have collected over the years on the subject (ufos etc) physically like how
many boxes, also would you give away any material now?
5 or 6 legal sized file cabinet drawers 26" deep. Remember it is not the information contained in the documents per se. It is the building blocks
they provide. I am going to keep them for awhile to see if my children have any interest. Also, from time to time, someone comes up with some obscure
point from 30 or 40 years ago and I can usually go out and pull up a related document.
Also going off topic slightly, I was wondering if there is another thread on here where you explain the whole moon civilization thing from the
begining i.e. when you fisrt learnt of this and how who and all the rest of it. And if you have any photographic evidence otheer than the ones I have
already seen, as I cant see anything in them.
No specific thread. Eventually I will start one called, "The Case For the Civilization on the Moon."
But here is the long of the short of it:
I was trying to figure out why so many of Apollo pictures were faked. I was pretty sure we had gone to the moon so the question was “What was NASA
Then I got visited by a former NASA psychologist (who has since disappeared off of the face of the earth) who told me that his job was to help the
Apollo crews work through not being able to tell the public about what they saw on the moon. He described what the astronauts had told him about the
Then I wanted to know what would have caused Alan Bean to have seen “black patent shoes” in the moons sky.
Then I read Mitchells statement that he couldn’t ‘resurrect the feelings’ of what it was like to be on the moon.
Then there was Ingo Swanns book “Penetration”. Swan certainly wasn’t making anything up.
Then there was the lengthy ‘neutral point’ debate in which one or 2 ATS posters tried to counter.
Then the Lick photo of the explosion near Endymion.
Then LO-2-162 with all the vapor rising. Not to even mention the buildings and equipment.
Then the Zond 3 photo.
December 4, 2006 (my birthday) was the day I started scanning far side pictures from SP-246. The first one I scanned was Apollo 8-12-2209. It was hard
to believe I was looking at a city on the far side. I took it over to Zorgons house. He saw the same buiidngs as I did and found the city square.
Then I scanned LO-1-102 from 2 different sources, saw the huge 'in your face' mining operation and took it over to Zorgon’s. We spent a couple of
hours looking over the mining operation. He was the one who found the control tower and elevated pipe line in the mining area.
Sometimes overwhelming evidence does not, by itself, present a truth simply because the truth is too obvious. It’s like the elephant in the living
room that nobody can see because their view is being blocked.
So it took several months for me to come to terms with what I knew. And the answer came exactly like this: F***! There’s a civilization up there.
So when you say you can’t see anything in the pictures I believe you. You are not supposed to see anything. Nobody is supposed to know this secret.
And by nobody I mean the rank and file like you and me. Certain parts of the government know it and have been up there for over 40 years.
I honestly don’t expect anybody to believe that the moon has a civilization. It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. I would imagine that in
another 100 years many will know it. But not today. And not tomorrow. And not next year.
What is satisfying is that on occasion I will get an email that says something like, “thanks for helping me remove the wool from over my eyes.”
What that statement means is that many who are stuck in the web and secrecy of compartmentalization have enough bits and pieces of information,
combined with what I am saying, to figure out the truth.
When Neil Armstrong told us that to discover new ideas and learn about 'places to go beyond belief' we would have to ‘remove one of truths
protective layers’. He was telling us what the NASA psychologist told me. In order to promote a lie you have to convince someone it’s the truth,
simply because, inherently, nobody wants to lie.
So here’s the truth: “The moon is a big dead ball. There is no air, no gravity, no atmosphere. It is a colorless, gray, glob of dirt without the
slightest trace of life. If you stayed out too long in your spacesuit you would turn to dust. That is if you weren’t fried by the heat of the sun or
frozen into an ice cube. And that's the tuth. At least, that’s NASA’s truth.
If you are able to remove 'one of truths protective layers', you might find a truth that is quite different. I did.