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Originally posted by magicmushroom
As you said you left the force 10 years ago, well alot has happened since then, did people get arrested or locked up for wearing anti Goverment slogans?
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Strangecraft: If you really are or were a cop,
then you were one of the ONE percent that has not perjured himself!!
Congratulations on a job well done. Did you ever ask citizens to give up their Constitutional Rights so you could search, knowing that you had no info for a warrant?
Sure you did..C'mon, pal..there is not an active street cop alive in this nation that has not bent or broken the rules;
it is too much to believe. Why would you ask a citizen to GIVE UP precious Rights? Is THAT the job of a cop? NO!!
MOST cops see any requests, demands, etc. for Rights to be observed as a radical and contentious affair and it should NOT be that way at all!! You guys, some of you, seem to think it is OK for a cop to react EMOTIONALLY when provoked, and it is NOT OK!!
Cop's are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS and if they are, then they should NOT react in kind.
They deal with mental patients and drunks and people speaking out using their First Amendment rights and the LAW says that cop's are supposed to IGNORE provocative comments and stay calm.
Imagine a psychiatrist who went berserk and beat his patients who acted out in some way. Why don't they? Because they realize that it is a part of the job to deal with difficult people and that it is UNPROFESSIONAL to get ' upset ' or reactive when faced with situations where people are saying things that they do not like. Tough if they like it or not, they should ignore it and if they cannot then they are NOT suited to be a cop, plain and simple.
Cops' should be like robots,
Sure, like I said there are a few good cop's, but they are in the minority.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Typical obfuscation and twisting words. One: the 99% figure was from a quote from the Police Chief of a major US city, tell the Chief that he doesn't know cops as well as you do .
Next: I said that most all cops break the rules. Instead of denying it, you say " It is'nt breaking the rules ". What nonsense!
You mean that no matter what you do it is not breaking the rules?
The people that give up their rights " choose to " is that right?
So, the only people who discuss their Rights or ask that you respect them are ' struggling " or drunk or otherwise difficult. right? Nonsense.
Why cannot you imagine a calm, polite citizen simply refusing consent and not giving up his rights as a normal and intelligent choice? All attorneys tell clients to do exactly that.
THAT is why I try and educate people as to their Rights, which. by the way, even apply in TEXAS.
The Federal laws says that cursing, whether or not you use the F word, is legal and protected speech nationwide. It is NOT obscene and is NOT legally a ' fighting word' ESPECIALLY to a cop . . .You need to brush up on the latest rulings at the Supreme level before declaring that Texas is somehow different than any other State and able to circumvent Federal law.
TEXAS PENAL CODE
TITLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND DECENCY
CHAPTER 42. DISORDERLY CONDUCT AND RELATED OFFENSES
Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace; . . .
. . . and section 38.15:
§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person
commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence
interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:
(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is
performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by
The " 15 Million " for handcuff fantasy is of course foolishness and you know it. Never has happened.
To you, cop's don't break rules, they can do anything they want. People who insist on having their Rights respected are obstinant or disruptive, how DARE they question anything the exalted POLICE say to do!! It is OFFENSIVE to you, obviously . . .
All of your ' fighting and trouble and struggling and testicle grabbing is all irrelevant
You want easy pickings, face it. Dumb citizens who shut up and and allow you to bend them over anytime, anywhere, and not complain, right? You shred the Constitution and wave the flag at the same time and cannot see the evil in it; you think that cop's are worthy of assuming the best, and there is no proof of it, just examples of disrespect for the People and the law.
Originally posted by elevatedone
and these people who are not terrorst or criminals, I wonder exactly what they were doing or saying to get the cops attention in the first place.
I'll bet it wasn't just walking down the street or anything like that.
--why would you say that? you would bet? cause you read a story...maybe they got th ecops attention cause they were the wrong color or had on th ewrong kind of clothes or they were like me and covered in tattoos.---
People, stop complaining about the police... while every once in a while there might be a "bad seed", cops are human and are here to help us.
---i would argue that cops are there to clean up the mess after the fact, and make their presence known on the street....in my 29 years of life, i have NEVER, EVER been helped by a cop. i most certainly have been abused and arrested by one though. more than once.---
It's really simple, DON"T BREAK THE LAW!!!
---if it were only that easy. do you know ALL the laws of your state? do you know ALL of your rights? i would think no. a lot of people break the law and they are not aware of it. there are all kinds of laws on the books that are enforced randomly AND, people that do not break the law and braced by the cops too. come out of your bubble.---
If you are stopped by a police officer, cooperate, you shouldn't have anything to hide.
---you're right. you shouldn't have anything to hide. on the same token though, you shouldn't have to show the cop anything if you were just stopped for no reason as you were walking your dog. this is not the gestapo. no yet.---
Use Yes Sir / Ma'am, No Sir / Ma'am. Show respect.
---so they have a badge and a glock that means i have to call them sir/mam? why? would it piss them off if i simly said yes or no? would it make it more difficult for me in the long run if i just said yes or no? i keep hearing they are only human. well, when i talk to humans i say yes/no. last i checked, they worked for us. IMO, the cops should call us sir/mam, not the other way around.---
If you are asked for I.D. present it to them, tell them the truth about what you are doing and where you are going.
---that is one way to do it but why as an adult in a free country should i have to? if i am walking down the street and the copper stops me and asks for my id and where i am going/what i am doing, why in the hell should i have to tell him anything or prove my identity to him? am i not allowed to walk around without being accosted? i fear telling them anything cause i don't trust them...don't want my words to get twisted around.---
Don't make sudden movements or act "suspicous".
---what defines a sudden movement or a sucpicious act? if i am talking to the copper and i get a serious itch on the back of my leg, am i supposed to ask permision to scratch my itch? please.....don't act suspicious..
you dound like someone who has been brainwashed to fear the cops to me. just my opinion though.---
I just don't understand why people insist that cops are bad and that we should fear them, I really don't.
---do you need to see videos of police cracking peoples heads? a cop macing a teen girl in a mcdonalds cause he thought she short changed him $10. there are many instances like this so i wonder, hmmmmmmmmmm, why are people afraid of the cops?
they're afraid cause it seems as of late, the cops have carte blanche to crack you open of you 'act suspicious'.---
The U.S. is not a police state and isn't going to be any time soon.
Heck if it was, I wouldn't care anyway, because I DON'T BREAK THE LAW and have nothing to hide from the authorities.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
MORE rights in Texas? Now I KNOW that you are out of the loop to long to be an intelligent adversary to me; Texas is a State. all States have the SAME obligation to obey the FEDERAL decisions in civil rights matters.