A blast from the past...
Originally posted by hinky
This is a long and tedious post much like many others posted within this thread. I looked at some info provided, you can read my comments.
Thanks.
Originally posted by StellarX
I not defending anyone. Just show me the technical aspect of the device. Keep the silly crap out of the conversation, keep it civil and
technical.
That's what i do until the normal disruptions flare up. Since he has since been banned i think we can more safely continue the discussion.
Show me were to plug it in. You're doing just fine proving the point.
I made a reference to dark energy being a accepted 'norm' in science despite the fact that there is very little evidence and a great gap to fill.
Please clarify your views on dark energy and why you feel there is more merit to it's discussion than for instance over-unity technologies.
Not free energy requires electricity to run a pump to cavitation. You actually lose heat in the process so it wastes more energy than you put in.
But according to the observers over-unity is achieved thus 'free energy' questions dose seem to arise. The reason why electricity is required is
supposedly due to the fact that it's very inefficient to convert steam to electricity and that the machine would require a over unity of nearing 200%
to enable any kind of self powering. As things stand they are able to achieve a far higher heat output per watt input than formerly so:
Griggs has been working with a number of physicists and engineers to try to get to the bottom of just how his device works. As well as Jed
Rothwell's consulting engineering firm in Atlanta he has worked with Professor Keizios, dean emeritus of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at
Georgia Institute of Technology and past president of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers. Professor Keizos supervised the design of the
instrumentation that measures the energy input and output of the Griggs Gadget.
In a second test, during which the over-unity effect was measured, the adjusted co-efficient of power was a remarkable 168 per cent -- the machine
produced 1.68 times the energy that was input. A third test did nearly as well with a Co-efficient of power of 157 per cent.
The customers include the Atlanta Police Department, a fire station, a dry cleaning plant, and a gymnasium. Interestingly, the Hydrosonic pump was
installed in the public buildings by the county engineer after evaluating the device. The buildings are using the device mainly for heating purposes,
and they have been running for more than a year. The customers have bills from their local electric utility company showing a year on year decrease in
bills equivalent to 30 per cent.
www.rexresearch.com...
Great Scott...these are new and improved electric motors...big deal they still require a source , not free, energy. They conserve energy while
running without a load.
Do you understand the notion of over-unity at all and if so why are motors that achieve a higher watt output than input not something worth talking
about? What led you to the conclusion that these are simply improved electric motors?
Your kidding right. You attach this to a vehicle or another electric motor to operate. The guy that wrote this actually said using the
electromagnetic radiation energy from the Earth's magnosphere... no idea how to do this but lets just make the connection. This is the crap I am
talking about.
So not understanding it is enough reason to just dismiss it then? Do you have any more legitimate reason for rejecting the notion of tapping into a
radiant energy of sorts?
This one was promising but it's nothing more than a phased transformer. I find it interesting that all the demo units have been destroyed. It
requires an energy input even from permanent magnets and would produce only very low DC power. Big magnets ,more power. Oh well... just changing one
form of energy into another form. Nothing free here, just efficiency.
Phased transformer it may be but what about the over unity? Why do you say that it will produce only low DC power? If they are in fact only 'chaning
one form of energy into another' doesn't the question arise why you can do that with magnets? What allows magnets to radiate away like that and why
are they in fact 'permanent'?
Blank screen maybe a bad link.
Also a dead end for now as that link was for something very different. Since i can't find a patent number for the 'Hubbard coil' i will just let
that one go for now.
Magnets seem popular. This guy also invented the spark plug. Once again, nothing free here. You just converting a magnet into a low power
source but you lose energy in the transformation.
It's the same device, the one i can't find a patent number for, but i am still wondering about the conversion 'low power source' when the claims
are certainly far more grandiose than that. Why exactly are magnets involved in every generator on the planet? What do you think they 'do' that is
so important?
Look at a heat pump. Work the same way but the heat pump is much more efficient. It needs an outside power source other than the heat from the
air. It has a compressor, ran by....not free energy.
Yup, since on closer inspection i can't identify either his actual claims or what principles he may be using i'll be dropping this one from my list.
This is magnets and zinc bars. Why zinc bars.. I'll leave that one to someone here that is much smarter than me to explain. But I do want this
answered. Basically static electricity and magnets... nothing free here. Converting one form of energy to another at a tremendous waste of energy.
Losses would exceed results, but you already knew that.
And yet those who observe these devices say that over-unity can be observed. I can't say that i understand how zinc would feature in this but i do
think i have can offer some understanding as to how and why magnets features so strongly in over-unity devices. Maybe i can start to clarify when you
explain why magnets are in every generator?
The diagrams told me everything I needed to see. Transformers and vacuum tubes. Have you ever been around vacuum tubes? They produce heat, tons
of heat. There is a reason it was destroyed....IT WAS BOGUS. you'd need several amps of any electrical power to operate this.
And yet a massive over-unity effect was achieved as acknowledge by observers at the time. Do you care nothing for first hand witnesses in the absence
of laws that actually forbids that type of thing? Do you think that someone like Moray would have been unaware of the effects of vacuum tubes having
been working with them for so many years? Why must all these inventors be complete idiots when so many of them held positions of esteem in formal
scientific institutions?
A decent magnetic bearing. You will find these in high efficiency pumps that need low noise.
And the over-unity effect is just a lie according to you?
You did it... Dielectric current from dis-similar metals creating an electric charge into a bank of capacitors. Not free energy, chemical
energy into DC electricity for a one shot deal. Capacitor is dead until recharged.
Not according to many of the observers and yes, i should do away with using the term 'free energy' as i am beginning to understand that most would
be scientist/scientist seem to have a hard time understand the conservation of energy laws sufficiently well to formally acknowledge the fact that we
don't know much about energy or how it might or might not be conserved.
This one I found interesting for about 2 minutes. It took me that long to see why it doesn't work. Noticed one of the links refers to an
international patent. Wonder why. It could be that this falls under the perpetual motion machines that are not allowed for patents. There are
technical reason for this, but all the FE people in this forum are smart and already know this. It won't work, great idea on paper, no field results.
According to you, yes. Thanks....
This will be the only time I go to different web sites to see "proof". Keep the discussion only within this forum. If I want to look at a
zillion web pages, I know a site I can go waste time at. No I won't paste it here, we all know it by heart.
I will do what i think is required to present the evidence and you may ignore or address it as you see fit.
You really tried hard, I applaud your effort.
Not at all as i am no engineer and would rather discuss the supposed laws that makes these devices' impossible.
You need to get a real education in hard sciences so you can see the folly in this.
That does not seem to have helped 'real scientist' from telling is what energy IS or what actually powers our modern economy. These mysteries
remains unexplained to this day and until they are i am not going to feel too terribly embarrassed by my lack of a 'formal' Tertiary scientific
education. If it pleases you can obviously keep point this out but since it's not pride , or a lack of it, that brings me here that wont discourage
me...
[edit on 7-7-2008 by StellarX]
