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[Video] Police acting like gangs in New York

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posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Well, since youve been here longer than me, you should be used to reading posts, I recommend you to go up and read mine, because i never called YOU stupid, i commented your COMMENT and called it stupid.

And you know damn well what you ment with your post with the rolling eyes and pointing out that im a new member. YOU are the one that should try not to turn it around.

And as for you changing your opinion, well its always easy to sit in front of your computer writing that provoking a police officer justifies violence, while I think your opinion of this situation would be different if it was YOU that maybe had a few too many drinks and got into a discussion with an officer, ending up with some pain.

Mod Edit: Big Quote – Please Review This Link.



[edit on 6/7/2007 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by YIAWETA
Mirth, You're quoting from rulings that have been rendered 'quaint'. They were applicable through 2002 and ignored ever since.


I would say even 2001 since the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II came into place.

The war on terror has been expanded to fit the goals of a corrupt police man.

'Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.' That doesn't sound like protecting and serving to me.

I've had my fair share of run-ins with police officers. Maybe on two occassions did they actually care about me. The other times they treated me like cattle ready for the slaughter.

I say fight the power before they take everything away from us. Before its too late and there's thousands of these meatheads running our streets.

Freedom? Right. We haven't been free for generations. Freedom from tyranny? How about institutionalized tyranny.

Stock up on ammunition and weapons while you still can



Crooked ass pigs


[edit on 6-7-2007 by biggie smalls]



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:09 AM
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Really?


Originally posted by YIAWETA
Mirth, You're quoting from rulings that have been rendered 'quaint'. They were applicable through 2002 and ignored ever since.


What international convention has rendered said agreements "quaint?" And I'd prefer a succinct answer and not some rambling diatribe of "Bush this" and "Cheney that."

Personally, I've found any preconceived notion of how wars should be fought as ludacris... The very idea that rules should be applied to the most self destructive act a species can engage in demonstrates a lack of understanding, or worse still... An unwillingness to exert a modicum of self control. The horror of war should be enough.

You want to end armed conflict? No rules, no holds barred... Everyone is a target. If we can't see the folly in prosecuting such a conflict, we don't deserve to exist.


[edit on 6/7/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:12 AM
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Hey guys,

Discuss the topic. Look back and see how much has been wasted debating a comment... look at the huge quotes and comments... few of which are relevent to the topic at hand.

Keep it civil and keep it on topic.

Thanks.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:22 AM
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yes we dont know the situation so its hard to comment but:

can you honestly think its fair to kick a dude while hes being restrained by several cops who probably have capsicum sprays or tazer (non lethal means) to subdue a trouble maker, assuming the poor chap getting kicked actually was a hoodlum?

about 25sec young bloke is being pushed around and provoked by cop who's yelling "backup!" and young bloke does as requested, then @ 40sec starts getting man handled while saying "hey, im on the sidewalk!??" while trying to move back more.
50 sec being shoved in the back while he's still walking away (Albiet pretty slowly)
cop punches/slaps young bloke while yelling "LETS GO! LETS GO!" followed up by plenty of shoving so young dude takes fighting stance in defence (cop blatantly trying to instigate a fight)

young dude starts to give a little mouth back, still not fighting (his arms clearly by his side)
cop continues shoving, even when YB turns to walk away again)
1:10 some cop comes in from left, spins YB and rams him head first into the rollerdoor.

if he done something bad off camera you would have seen the cops nab him then and there, but they didnt and was free to go so he obviously wasnt in trouble.

that young bloke done absolutely nothing that deserves getting shoved around, bullied, punched (or slapped), harassed + intimidated, provoked into a fight and ends with his head rammed into the door?


you dont think thats being a little harsh when he wasnt actually fighting or throwing punches, and was following orders till heavily provoked and then decided to take no more crap and offer passive resistance in return?



[edit on 6/7/07 by Obliv_au]



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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Well, I think the guy was asking for it. Disobeying a direct order to move on, confronting an officer. Personally I think they should have just thrown him in jail from the moment he made eye contact with the officer shoving him! Give him something to stew over next time he decides to be an idiot!

[edit on 6-7-2007 by Here Now]



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:29 AM
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Mirth,
Ask yourself why all U.S. county and municipal police departments have both regular uniforms as well as camoed uniforms.?...Why would a cop in Newark, N.J. need camo?



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Here Now
Well, I think the guy was asking for it. Disobeying a direct order to move on, confronting an officer. Personally I think they should have just thrown him in jail! Give him something to stew over next time he decides to be an idiot!


Trying to fight against tyranny is something worth applauding.

The man did not deserve to go to jail, which he did in fact do. The last few seconds an officer says 'get the cuffs' and you can see his arms behind his back.

He never confronted an officer. We have something called freedom of speech and freedom of press in this country, in case you forgot the pieces of paper called the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe you did.

It seems you'd rather live in a 'safe' police state than a free country. Good for you, I won't be around to see it though.


God bless those who stand up or what is right and protect themselves and others from this kind of blasphemy the 5.0. have been doing lately.

This is almost as bad as when the police lynched African-Americans in the deep south, which probably still goes on.

I wouldn't be surprised if those officers were all ex-military meatheads, dishonorably discharged for slaughtering Iraqi civilians. Hey, now they can slaughter US civilians! YAY!

What a great job to have, hurt innocents. I can't wait for judgment day. Can't wait.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Here Now
Well, I think the guy was asking for it. Disobeying a direct order to move on, confronting an officer. Personally I think they should have just thrown him in jail from the moment he made eye contact with the officer shoving him! Give him something to stew over next time he decides to be an idiot!

[edit on 6-7-2007 by Here Now]


in the start of the video he was moving back, he moved back next to the camera on the sidewalk then a few sec later got hassled and shoved around again even while walking away..
several times he was pushed in the back while walking away.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by YIAWETA
Mirth,
Ask yourself why all U.S. county and municipal police departments have both regular uniforms as well as camoed uniforms.?...Why would a cop in Newark, N.J. need camo?


I think that guy was an undercover officer. Maybe they were doing a drug sting operation. There would be no reason to have so many cops out at night in one place.

It is a bit fishy though, to see close to 50 cops in one city block. They must have been about ready to steal a few kilos of coc aine from a drug dealer or something.


If you can't see how these cops are crooked, I don't know what to tell you (not you YIAWETA, the others).

Open your eyes and stop taking the oppressors side for once
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That man was fighting for his freedom. It is people like the poster a few up that we have such an apathetic society.


Police shoot Amadu Diallo, beat up Rodney King, its all good...Right.

Police state anyone?



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by YIAWETA
Mirth,
Ask yourself why all U.S. county and municipal police departments have both regular uniforms as well as camoed uniforms.?...Why would a cop in Newark, N.J. need camo?


Please demonstrate this claim. I'm familiar with quite a few departments that have no camo, or any BDU style uniform, even for their "SWAT" (you'd be surprised at how many departments have neither funding, nor the inclination to purchase the necessary gear to support a unit like that).

As a matter of fact, I've seldom seen any law enforcement at the city, county or state level use camo, preferring the black "blues" for their gear.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 11:57 AM
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Well this is why i praise anybody who kills a cop, as a hero. 95% of all cops in the US are crooked, or at the very least..pricks. This doesn't surprise me anymore, it's just the way of life.

I'll just go with what my daddy tought me, and that's that "the police, are NOT your friends".



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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You know, my brother-in-law is a Chicago cop, as was my uncle, and they are two damn fine people. Cops are human beings, and like all human beings, are subject to the same emotions and mistakes as the rest of the world.

We have NO idea what the backstory on this is, so we cannot make judgement. Maybe someone in that crowd shot at a cop, in which case the reaction was more than justified. On the other hand, maybe this does in fact show an example of the bad seeds that do exist in police departments everywhere.

Most cops, as in 90-95% are good folks. Sure there are bad cops, just as there are quack doctors, crooked politicians, bad accountants and shady businessmen. You can't take one, or even dozens of bad examples and label the entire group as bad.

I'm not saying either way what the situation is here, as I wasn't present at the time, but you can't judge by a 2 minute video clip. That's why we have courts, trials, and the justice system - so that we can see ALL the evidence and not just a two minute video clip from youtube.

Can you tell me that if someone had a video camera taping you during a two mintue "low" point in your life where you were doing something wrong that you would be ok with being condemned for the rest of your life as an evil bad person? I don't think so.

Let's not be so quick to judge when we don't have all the facts.

Subsonic



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:20 PM
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Subsonic, 95% are good guys? LMAO!!! What trash. I mean obviously your opinion is skewed becuase you have relatives in law enforcement. The real truth is that cops are the scum of the earth.

I think a lot of it has to do with race too. Blacks have a very different view of cops, because cops treat us 100% different then they treat white folks. You ask the average white person and they'll be like "the cops are good guys" and the average black person will be "cops are pigs!".

Anyway you look at it they are corrupt. They never use officers discretion. All they do is throw their hands up in the air and say "oh well we'll let the judge sort it out!". Half of them are uneducated and dumb as a rock. Nevermind they will beat you and throw false charges on you without blinking.

Cops are crooked..don't trust them,don't try and be friends with them, don't help them, don't donate money to them, and NEVER snitch to a cop. .this is the code to live by.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:21 PM
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Sad...sad....sad.

Since when is it OK for an officer to push someone who is 30 feet away holding a camera??

I fear the us against them mentality is growing. My question is....

Who's provoking this?? (rhetorical)



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:22 PM
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The point is, there can't be 1 bad cop. They are hired to protect and serve the citizens of this nation.

The original purpose of a peace officer (yes peace not police) was to protect the civilians against the encroachment of our military. Read your history books, they didn't always carry guns.

If there is one crooked cop out there, the stereotype of cops being 'pigs' will always stick.

I find their job to be unnecessary. The detectives fight the real crime in this nation, cops are the grunts of the police force. Most of them can't think for themselves. Have you ever had a conversation with a cop?

Its always one sided. They are right and you are wrong, no matter what the situation is.

You can't really argue with a cop, even though they're supposed to protect us.

They haven't been doing their duty for a long time now. Even the female cops are just as bad. One would think they would have more compassion for people since they are women, but that's simply not the case.

It seems they are all brainwashed into beating up civilians in police academy.

There was a thread on ATS a few weeks ago mentioning how the FBI wrote up a pamphlet that stated anyone defending the Constitution was a terrorist. Whether or not this was actually handed out to agents and police officers, the idea still stands.

They DO NOT care about you. They are doing their job and that means protecting economic interests.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:25 PM
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yeah but they have the power to mess up your entire life... look at the boy in the video standing with arms by side or walking away being provoked and shoved as another member stated its crystal clear he didnt do something extreme or he would have be tackled/ tasered/ sprayed NOT asked move which proves it was all unessary

[edit on 6-7-2007 by twistingtree]

[edit on 6-7-2007 by twistingtree]



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Spawwwn
Half of them are uneducated and dumb as a rock. Nevermind they will beat you and throw false charges on you without blinking.

Cops are crooked..don't trust them,don't try and be friends with them, don't help them, don't donate money to them, and NEVER snitch to a cop. .this is the code to live by.


Wow, interesting. Uneducated. Hmmm...my brother-in-law, the "uneducated" cop, has a masters degree and became detective at age 35. My uncle, the "uneducated" cop, was the top fingerprint specialist in the police force and had multiple degrees.

Your generalizations are pretty absurd, it's no different than making a comment like that about any large group of people. Would it be ok for me to say that all garbage men were uneducated and dumb as a rock, or how about all truck drivers? What if I said all african-americans, or all Mexicans were dumb as a rock? Yea, pretty short-sighted and ignorant comments if I applied that to any of those groups, wouldn't you say? It's a REALLY bad idea to make generalizations like that regardless of the accusation or the group you are accusing.

Your last comment makes it clear to my why you have such a problem with cops. If I told someone, anyone, that I don't trust them, I don't want to be friends with them, or help them, or donate to their cause, they would not like me either, cop or not. Next time you talk to a cop, try saying something friendly and be respectful, as I try to be when I speak with any human being. You might find it goes a long way.

Subsonic



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:46 PM
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The average cop on the street is typically not a bad guy. He's generally a family man with an eye on getting out of the force with twenty years , a pension and all working appendages. His superiors are highly Masonic, as are judges and most lawyers. You need'nt look beyond the officer who was just acquitted of shooting the Iraq war vet as he lay on the ground...on tape no less. So, if you're not a mason or deep pocketed don't mess with the cops. Walk away and live to tell.



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by darksky
Well, since youve been here longer than me, you should be used to reading posts, I recommend you to go up and read mine, because i never called YOU stupid, i commented your COMMENT and called it stupid.


Well I speak my mind, so if I say something and you call it "the stupidest fkn comment I ever heard", I do take offence to that.



And you know damn well what you ment with your post with the rolling eyes and pointing out that im a new member. YOU are the one that should try not to turn it around.


Yeah I asked you to quote the part where I said you were stupid, funny how you can't do that.



And as for you changing your opinion, well its always easy to sit in front of your computer writing that provoking a police officer justifies violence, while I think your opinion of this situation would be different if it was YOU that maybe had a few too many drinks and got into a discussion with an officer, ending up with some pain.


If I went to NYC right now and started acting like a pr*ck towards an NYPD police officer and got beaten up, that wouldn't change the fact that some of the people in this video were being total assholes. It wouldn't make any difference at all!

But as I said, I wouldn't go out and do that because if I did, I wouldn't be surprised if he got angry and shoved me about.

Just watch 00:56 - 1:04 in the video. If that guy was making those stupid noises at me, i'd be quite inclined to shove him into a door as well. Which is why I wouldn't go out and make stupid noises at police officers or anyone for that matter, because i'd only expect them to do the same.



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