Steorn's Orbo "free-energy" machine demonstrated!, page 4

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
Your very welcome!
I was going to start a thread about the doc but figured since I am new here there has already been a "It runs on water" debate.

LOL Never let that stop you... Do a search first, but if your thread duplicates work and is not a new slant, the mods will let you know and close it referingyou to the appropriate existing thread. And there are multiple threads on many topics

On the "runs on water" issue... this is not so far away. It seems hydrogen and fuel cells are being accepted by main stream finally. At a convention here in Las Vegas last year Shell Oil released their Hydrogen Pump... ( I set it up) and they promise a "Hydrogen Hyway" up both coasts in 10 years...

All it took was to find a safe way to dispense the highly explosive fuel. So once the Oil Company figured that out they can control it.

There is already an active station in Washington DC and Bush was filling up one of the White House staffs hydrogen cars...

As to the fuel cells here is a Dept of Energy page supporting and collecting data on them...

www1.eere.energy.gov...

Now on the other side of the coin...

While production of Hydrogen CAN be clean using solar or water power for electrolysis... Bush and co. plan to distil it from hydro carbons which still pollutes... gotta find a way to keep those oil bucks coming in afterall

The oil and chemical industries already produce 9 million tons of hydrogen each year, most of it from natural gas, and transport it through hundreds of miles of pipelines to fuel the space shuttle and to remove sulfur from petroleum refineries. The administration's plan lays the groundwork to expand that infrastructure -- guaranteeing that oil and gas companies will profit from any transition to hydrogen. Lauren Segal, general manager of hydrogen development for BP, puts it succinctly: "We view hydrogen as a way to really grow our natural-gas business."

SOURCE

Today there is a powerful force against renewable energy. The oil, coal and nuclear industries are huge money makers, and the people who run these companies are not about to give up their riches in order to save the planet. George Bush, as you well know, is among them.

The Hydrogen Car: What George Bush Doesn't Want You to Know

A member of ATS Beer_Guy... submitted a plan and design to us at Pegasus... and I have not heard from him since nor seen a post though he has visited this month

Bob Lazar ran into a different issue. Apparently the chemicals (like sulfur) needed to make the hydrogen cells work have been placed on the "illegal substance" list in many states. They even raided his company United Nuclear because he was selling these chemicals.

May 22nd, 2007:

Our Hydrogen Fuel System is not yet available for sale. There are legal problems with several components of the unit which is preventing its sale.
Until the legal proceedings are complete, we won't be moving forward the system.
Thank you all for your emails & support. The legal action is due to the actions of the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) attempting to remove the necessary chemicals used in this system from public use.

United Nuclear Hydrogen

The excuse is that those same chemicals (especially sulfur) can be used to make illegal fireworks

I had a local chemistry teacher talk about how difficult it was to get sulfur, one of the main ingredients for most simple experiments. I was able to help him out and gave him a lot of my old lab equipment...

These days if the cops spot lab equipment in your garage... their first thought is you MUST be making drugs or fireworks... Its actually illegal now in some states to even own certain lab equipment.

Schools are taking out labs because of law suits over bunsen burner accidents and other liability issues and are now doing "kitchen chemistry" And try buying a decent chemistry set these days...

So it seems on the one hand the government is showing support... the DOE
and the other hand taketh away... CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission)

BTW when they went to Bob's house they stormed the place with assault rifles... the CPSC... the guys who are supposed to check if your toaster is safe...

Banned: The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments

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