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Steorn's Orbo "free-energy" machine demonstrated!

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posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by pjslug
I don't know if you guys have seen this video, maybe someone posted it. If not, I think you should definitely watch it. If this is real, it is by far the best example of some unknown energy force that I have ever seen. The guy's name is Steven Mark.



[edit on 7/14/2007 by pjslug]



Horrible quality living room demonstrations don't cut it for me. Even if somehow his device does magically work, shysters such as this Orbo device make it more and more difficult to get any credibility.




posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

Horrible quality living room demonstrations don't cut it for me. Even if somehow his device does magically work, shysters such as this Orbo device make it more and more difficult to get any credibility.


At least "living room" videos are easy to do, and not so prone to sabotage as big public demonstrations....



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

Horrible quality living room demonstrations don't cut it for me. Even if somehow his device does magically work, shysters such as this Orbo device make it more and more difficult to get any credibility.


At least "living room" videos are easy to do, and not so prone to sabotage as big public demonstrations....


Oh, oh yes god I must have forgotten that the device didn't work due to terrorism.

Wait a second, wrong forum.

Sabotage. God damn physicists and their use of thermodynamics and magnetism! Stop sabotaging our miracle devices damn you!



edit;


KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[edit on 7-15-2007 by forsakenwayfarer]



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
At least "living room" videos are easy to do, and not so prone to sabotage as big public demonstrations....


Oh, oh yes god I must have forgotten that the device didn't work due to terrorism.

Wait a second, wrong forum.

Sabotage. God damn physicists and their use of thermodynamics and magnetism! Stop sabotaging our miracle devices damn you!


Well I don't know about "terrorism", but I think Steorn set themselves up to receive a giant kick in the nuts by the energy cartels, and now their credibility is shot....

Simply doing up some "living room demos" would have worked a lot better than a big, vulnerable, public demo IMO....



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:28 PM
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Of course, if their device worked in the first place. Research - Perendev magnetic motor.

It's a doomed concept. You need permanent magnets that don't wear out - once again violation 2nd law thermodynamics.


Simple high school cures these rash and impossible ideas.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Of course, if their device worked in the first place. Research - Perendev magnetic motor.

It's a doomed concept. You need permanent magnets that don't wear out - once again violation 2nd law thermodynamics.


Well I think the idea is that the magnets have to get replaced every so often, isn't it?



Simple high school cures these rash and impossible ideas.


No, in fact it's been proven by mainstream physicists that there's abundant energy all around us all the time.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 06:21 PM
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Of course there is vacuum energy and the like, all this nonsense about magnets has nothing to do with that and cannot be used to support your point.


The oil "cartel" has nothing to do with the fact that this thing still does not work.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Of course there is vacuum energy and the like, all this nonsense about magnets has nothing to do with that and cannot be used to support your point.


I'm not so sure. The actual energy source of magnets has never been adequately explained by mainstream science IMO; so what if it turns out that permanent magnets are actually tapping into the abundant vacuum energy?



The oil "cartel" has nothing to do with the fact that this thing still does not work.


There's already a long history of energy inventors being squashed by the financial powers-that-be, going back at least 100 years to Tesla and maybe further.... so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Steorn demo was sabotaged. It would certainly explain why the unit suddenly stopped working as soon as they brought it out to the demo site....



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 06:33 PM
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Occam's razor tells me it is far more simple that it never worked in the first place for the purpose of generating any kind of useful energy.

MAYBE it spin a little bit, looked cool, etc. That's the best of it however.

We are bringing in un-needed variables by saying ZOMG FREE ENERGY DEVICE DIDN'T WORK? MUST BE SABOTAGE OF COURSE.

Also, the process of magnetism is readily understood by those who's opinion actually matters. Yours, until you provide some sort of credentials, does not. Sorry.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Occam's razor tells me it is far more simple that it never worked in the first place for the purpose of generating any kind of useful energy.

MAYBE it spin a little bit, looked cool, etc. That's the best of it however.

We are bringing in un-needed variables by saying ZOMG FREE ENERGY DEVICE DIDN'T WORK? MUST BE SABOTAGE OF COURSE.


Well that is the whole point of conspiracies and covert operations and sabotage - to trick people into believing the most simple explanation and keep them from digging deeper!



Also, the process of magnetism is readily understood by those who's opinion actually matters.


It is? Then what precisely is the source of a permanent magnet's energy, in plain layman's English?

In other threads I have had people say that it's the "electrons" - but ordinary objects like tables and chairs and walls also have electrons, and they don't behave like magnets do.

Since you clearly have such impeccable credentials and your opinion "matters" so much more than mine, maybe you can give a better explanation than others have? How does simply organizing electrons into "domains" and poles and whatnot, create usable energy and force? Where does the energy come from?



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 07:24 PM
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Simply put, I never mentioned I had credentials. You are the one trying to deny accepted theories. Therefore, the burden of proof is on YOU, the accuser.



Even atoms have a tiny field. In the planetary model of an atom, the electrons orbit the nucleus and thus have a change in motion giving rise to a magnetic field. Permanent magnets have measurable magnetic fields because the atoms (and molecules) are arranged in a way that their individual tiny fields align and add up.


It's easy for me to understand, what don't you understand? Perhaps I can assist?

Every atom exhibits magnetism. Even the atoms in your body.
In a magnet, there are special materials that are used because of the ease of causing alignment between these atoms. The alignment causes cohesion of their magnetic fields, kind of like;
Every drop of water on your windshield in a rainstorm is STILL a drop of water, no matter how small. Collect these drops and eventually you have enough to "drink".

Cumulative effects cause macro-scale fields from micro-scale components.



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Simply put, I never mentioned I had credentials. You are the one trying to deny accepted theories. Therefore, the burden of proof is on YOU, the accuser.


Well I don't know about denying accepted theories; all I'm trying to say is that Steorn did not seem to anticipate the possibility of Sabotage and they were ill-prepared for it, and now they are paying for it....




Every atom exhibits magnetism. Even the atoms in your body.
In a magnet, there are special materials that are used because of the ease of causing alignment between these atoms. The alignment causes cohesion of their magnetic fields, kind of like;
Every drop of water on your windshield in a rainstorm is STILL a drop of water, no matter how small. Collect these drops and eventually you have enough to "drink".

Cumulative effects cause macro-scale fields from micro-scale components.


Yes, I have seen explanations like this before.

My question is this:

Say an average magnet can attract/repel objects up to about 2 or 3 inches away.

Now 3 inches may not seem like a large distance, but when compared to the actual size of atoms and electrons - 3 inches is actually a huge distance, exponentially huge!

I understand the concept of aligning the atoms and electrons so that their individual fields all combine together, but I still don't see how that gives them the energy to not only move an object that's an exponentially huge distance away, but also do it on a continuous basis for days on end too!

Scientists always say "You can't create energy, you can't get something from nothing" - and yet it seems that that's exactly what happens with magnets! Simply align the atoms and electrons a certain way and suddenly you have a magnetic field that extends right past the physical boundary of the magnet and operates on other objects continuously!

Where do the atoms and electrons get that energy from? And why doesn't it ever run out.....? (Simply saying "from magnetic fields" will be a circular answer....)



posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr


Scientists always say "You can't create energy, you can't get something from nothing" - and yet it seems that that's exactly what happens with magnets! Simply align the atoms and electrons a certain way and suddenly you have a magnetic field that extends right past the physical boundary of the magnet and operates on other objects continuously!

Where do the atoms and electrons get that energy from? And why doesn't it ever run out.....? (Simply saying "from magnetic fields" will be a circular answer....)



See, the problem with your theory there is the word "simply".

As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, it takes more energy to align those billions and billions of atoms in the first place than you get back with the "free energy" machine.

Lets say you had a machine like this that ran on magnets. If you took all the energy that was "created" by it and channeled it into creating more magnets for the next run, you would not be able to create magnets faster than you use them up. That means it is not free energy.

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posted on Jul, 15 2007 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Tiloke

Lets say you had a machine like this that ran on magnets. If you took all the energy that was "created" by it and channeled it into creating more magnets for the next run, you would not be able to create magnets faster than you use them up. That means it is not free energy.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by Tiloke]



quoted for truth.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 03:23 PM
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Lets say you had a machine like this that ran on magnets. If you took all the energy that was "created" by it and channeled it into creating more magnets for the next run, you would not be able to create magnets faster than you use them up. That means it is not free energy.


I do not consider this a valid argument. I think people get too hung up on the "free" word. If Steorn's gizmo was shown to work and it was later proven that it would only operate in a gravatic or magnetic field, would it still be classed as a Perpetual motion machine? I don't think so. It would afterall be tapping Earth energies, whose existence is beyond dispute.

Also, I was informed earlier in this thread that rare-earth magnets (Neodymium, Samarium Cobalt) lose their power "very quickly" when subjected to magnetic fields of other magnets in close proximity - as would occur in a generator for example.
What I have found after much searching is that it is indeed true for non rare-earth magnets, but it does NOT apply to the latest generation of supermagnets. The best explanation I have been able to find to explain why this is so is that the field strengths required to magnetise these materials need tens of thousands of amperes of current, so the magnetic field of an individual magnet is very puny indeed when compared to the field strength that created it, certainly far less than would be required to 'de-magnetise' fellow magnets.

Also, these magnets have been available for several years now, at least long enough to fulfill the "very quickly" timeframe period for being de-magnetised but I am a loss to find a single instance of this being documented.

Therefore, until someone can provide evidence to the contrary, this goes into my urban legend category.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 06:36 PM
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Magnets do not contain extra energy. Electrons in a magnet are polarized, and it is that polarization that that moves other magnets towards them.

I do not know why electrons either repel or attract each other, depending on their polarization. It's something Physics has not explained yet. But it is definitely not free energy: magnets get demagnetized linearly with the energy transfer they are into.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 09:45 PM
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There is a simple problem with moving through a magnetic field.

The movement creates eddy currents or drag, and eventually the process will slow down and stop.

Sorry, high school physics again.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 09:56 PM
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There is another more updated version of Stephen Marks' video. Still the video is from the 90's; its his version of his TPU that is started with just a magnet. If you debunkers actually do research into the matter Stephen is or was in open discussions with ppl from an over unity forum. There you can read his Q and A section about his device without actually violating his contract with the company that bought his device. The FBI has told him to shut up lots of times, but he does give valid hints on how his device works.

He says it just uses the earths magnetic field and tunes into its frequency and amplifies it. His theory obviously works.

There are ppl making breakthroughs with his hints at overunity.com.

have fun debunkers.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by WideBody
There is a simple problem with moving through a magnetic field.

The movement creates eddy currents or drag, and eventually the process will slow down and stop.

Sorry, high school physics again.



This is an interesting video which might relate.

lafontegroup.com...

lafontegroup.com...


So to all the negative thermo "law" quoting skeptics.. You are saying that by creating a series of magnets, a magnetic powered generator running for 100 years, 24/7 wouldn't produce enough energy to create one series of magnets? Lol...



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 10:19 PM
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i love how electricity is produced, wire + magnets + rotation...... think about it.


and then think about earth, then its natural frequencies.



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