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US calls off search for WMD !!!

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posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 02:15 PM
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The Bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team it sent to Baghdad to scour Iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons, write Conor O'Clery in New York & Deaglán de Bréadún in Dublin.

The move indicates that the US does not now expect to find illegal weapons, the main reason given by President Bush for the war last year that toppled Saddam Hussein.

www.ireland.com...

Carnegie Endowment :
"The Bush administration will today be accused of systematically misrepresenting the threat posed by "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction" in a comprehensive report on post-war findings.
The report, by four experts on weapons proliferation at the respected Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, is likely to reignite calls for acommission to look into the government's pre-war intelligence claims.

According to the report, the absence of any imminent threat from Saddam Hussein's chemical or nuclear programmes was "knowable" before the war. There was greater uncertainty over biological weapons but no evidence strong enough to justify war.

The authors say the intelligence reports of Iraq's capabilities grew more shrill in October 2002 with the publication of a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which included an unusual number of dissenting views by intelligence officials.

www.guardian.co.uk...


So where are the Republicans/Conservatives/Bush supporters who screamed for Clinton's hide over a BJ lie, thought $70 million & the time of 100's of Agents investigating it , to reach that only conclusion, was money well spent & it that it was all necessary?

Will you have the honor to scream down this administration for the outright lies they've told that have:
- put us into a McWar
- Wasted of $87 Billion of our taxes
- Wasted the lives of over 500+ of our service men

??????

If not, I think we need not hear from you on any subject of patriotism, much less how there are no "real choices" among the Dems. To make the Bush choice is to sell your country out with full knowledge, not the innocence of mere back porch party politics.




posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 02:54 PM
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The pulling out of the WMD search team in no way implies that Bush lied - it just means they know for sure Saddams WMD is elsewhere and will soon be found.

Also your idea that Bush supporters should feel bad about dissing Clinton for lies on BJ would also require you to admit Clinton was telling lies to Portugals Prime Minister when he said Iraq had WMD and that Clinton colluded with Bush on war. - here the link for ya:

sq.news.yahoo.com...

Saddams WMD appears to be located in Syria or Lebanons Bekaa Valley - heres another link for ya:

www.debka.com...

This is Debkas latest article on this subject but if you search their site you will discover they have been reporting on Iraqs WMD movement prior to Gulf II.

There are many other sites on internet where this info is available. To save time and space I only listed a couple.

Yes I do question the Patriotism of others who do not support the ongoing effort to control Terrorists and Dictators that want to see the downfall of the US.

PS: The 87 Billion was not all to aid Iraq and I wish people would do a little research before quoting misleading numbers, as I have been able to find out about 51 Bil. was for ongoing operations in country, 10 Bil. was for operations Afganistan, 18.6 Bil. is for actual rebuilding in Iraq, 500 mil. was for CONUS disaster relief, 245 Bil. was for Liberian peace mission. I know this does'nt quite add up to 87 Bil - the rest was probably spend on congressional pork.



[Edited on 9-1-2004 by Phoenix]



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
The pulling out of the WMD search team in no way implies that Bush lied



Good grief. He lies every day. What kind of corrupt idiot do you think you are defending anyway? How embarrassing for you and your view of patriotism.

In the search for Iraq WMDs beyond Iraq, are you sure the search isn't for the US's WMDs that created this whole mess in the first place?



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix


Yes I do question the Patriotism of others who do not support the ongoing effort to control Terrorists and Dictators that want to see the downfall of the US.



I question the patriotism of people who swallow the official story of 9/11 sold to us by George W. Bush. A man that lies more then Clinton.



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by Phoenix
The pulling out of the WMD search team in no way implies that Bush lied



Good grief. He lies every day. What kind of corrupt idiot do you think you are defending anyway? How embarrassing for you and your view of patriotism.

In the search for Iraq WMDs beyond Iraq, are you sure the search isn't for the US's WMDs that created this whole mess in the first place?



Can you back those statements with factual information, IE: evidence other than speculation or wishful thinking



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL

Originally posted by Phoenix


Yes I do question the Patriotism of others who do not support the ongoing effort to control Terrorists and Dictators that want to see the downfall of the US.



I question the patriotism of people who swallow the official story of 9/11 sold to us by George W. Bush. A man that lies more then Clinton.


I suppose you think that Bush planned the 93' WTC bombing from down on the ranch while Clinton was'nt looking.


what I'd really like a link to is the information telling how Bush got Bin Laden and his cohorts to go along with the plan



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Well,

I was total waste of money to begin with as US knew that there was no WMDs..

So it was Bout Time..




posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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It is a known fact Bush lies a lot. Here let me give you some.
190 Bush (and Bush staff) lies
1. I passed a Patients Bill Of Rights as Governor.
2. I am a "Reformer with Results".
3. I am a "Compassionate Conservative".
4. Action Administration.
5. The claim that "Al Gore lied re: his role in creating the Internet".
6. The claim that "Al Gore lied re: his role in Love Canal".
7. The claim that "Al Gore lied re: The Love Story movie".
8. The claim that "Al Gore lied re: his role on Farm Work".
9. Open Administration.
10. I will protect the environment.
11. I will retain regulations on CO2.
12. Dad and I will be first two Environmental presidents.
13. I will increase funding for libraries.
14. I will Leave No Child behind. (Just the funding for their programs).
15. I will be the Education President.
16. I will restore Honor-Dignity-Integrity to the White House.
17. I will continue to balance the budget.
18. I will put Social Security in a Lock Box.
19. I will increase the Pell Grant Maximum Award.
20. My Tax Cuts will not create deficits even in a recession.
21. I will fully fund LIHEAP——low income energy program.
22. I will listen to sound science and ““local”” officials before deciding on Yucca Mountain.
23. I will make higher education more accessible by helping students with costs.
24. My administration will have transparency.
25. I am the type of person who will not change his mind once he makes it up.
26. I have been to WAR.
27. I will provide 20 Billion for World Trade center.
28. I gave the citizens a Tax Refund. Loan not a refund. Democrats program.
29. Iran and North Korea have been allies against us.
30. Hear me once and hear me clear. Promises made are promises kept.
My Waffle list takes care of this very childish remark.
31. Saddam kicked inspectors out of Iraq. (He ordered USA spies to leave but stated over and over that others could stay.).
32. I knew nothing about a possible WTC type attack. .
33. We warned the FAA, Airlines and Pilots. (Pilots interviewed said they were never warned.).
34. Ashcroft : "We captured a terrorist who was planning to plant dirty bombs".
35. Presidential Air Force 1 plane was under attack.
36. "I saw the first plane hit before I went into the classroom."37. "I will fully fund Low Income Housing Assistance.
38. "I will provide affordable prescription benefits for ””all”” seniors.
39. "I will pay down a record amount of the federal debt.
40. The largest percentage increase in my budget is for education.
41. Education will be my number one priority (——after millionaires).
42. "I do not take cues from anyone. (Except Karl, Karen and Dick).
43. Finding to Congress to slaughter Afghans. Lied by omission. No mention of removal of Taliban.
44. "I will not engage in "Nation Building".
45. "I do not need a Resolution from the UN."
46. Palm Beach County was a Pat Buchanan stronghold.
47. Clinton people did an estimated $200,000 damage to White House.
48. Clinton people robbed Air Force 1.
49. Middle East slaughter is Clinton fault for working too hard for peace.
50. North Korea restarting Nuke Program Clinton fault.
51. We have the strongest Military in history. (He campaigned on it being so weak.).
52. "I will be strict on federal spending." (Except for millionaires in weapons manufacturing).
53. Alabama Duty——I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends.
54. Dan Bartlett——Bush spokesman : "He pulled his drills in Alabama". (Since he wasn’’t flying he was doing odds and ends under different supervisors whose names he cannot recall, which may well explain why they can’’t remember him either).
55. "I was no longer flying F-102 jets because they were being replaced by a different fighter."
56. Aide : "He did not take a physical because his physician was in Houston and he was in Alabama." (Try again. Personal physicians cannot give the examination.).
57. "After I completed flight training in 1970 I kept flying with my unit for the next several years".
58. Cheney lied on Halliburton transactions with Iraq.
59. "Immediately upon taking office I will transfer the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem".
60. "I will Jawbone OPEC to open the wells."
61. "I will have a humble foreign policy. " (What would he consider an arrogant one?)
62. "I will have a bipartisan administration."
63. "Sharon is a Man of Peace."
64. "I looked into Putin’’s soul. "
65. Paul O’’Neill: "I sold no Alcoa stock when I was CEO". (Try 627,547 shares).
66. "Iraq has a fleet of unmanned planes which could be targeted at the United States".
( It will take 2,000 refuelings to get here, if the duct tape holds up!)
67. "We have proof Al Queda has been involved with Iraq." (But we won't show it to anyone.).
68. Elliott Abrams is a convicted liar. (Right at home with this crowd.)
69. John Poindexter is a convicted liar. (He just cannot remember.)
70. Karl Rove lied on Salvation Army deal.
71. "I will put an end to permanent campaigning." (I will do only six days each week.)
72. "I will not use polls. (Just weekly.)
73. Senator Baucus does not like free trade. He is an isolationist and protectionist.
74. The president did not try to intervene in the GE-Honeywell deal in England.
(Well, maybe a little bit.).
75. Mitch Daniels——biggie on Clinton night deposits.
76. "We will stop attacking Clinton". (when we die, maybe.).
77. U.S. air strikes in Iraq have been routine. (Pentagon disagrees.)
78. "Majority of my tax cuts goes to lower income".
79. "I am matching a trillion tax cut with a trillion cut in spending."
80. Harken Energy sale of sock——records show a deliberate lie.
81. Dropping top rate from 39.6% to 33% will serve as a stimulus to 9.4 million .
small business owners. (Less than 5% of businesses pay top rate now.).
84. "I will provide $100 million to preserve the Rain Forest." ( $ 87 million short. And he earned! a Business Degree form Harvard!).
85. School Choice——In state of Washington he said ““I stand behind school choice””.Next stop was Concord NC. ““I want to avoid some of the so called school choice issues .
such as school vouchers, for it would prompt an extended debate in congress””.
86. Iraq is updating their nuclear program for we can tell by them having aluminum pipes.
Experts say you are wrong boy.
87. Cheney:: ””You never save ammunition to use before an election.”” Rove and Card said Oh Yes we do.
88. He was inspired by reading the masters. (Well, Not exactly read them. We told him.).
89. "I read the EPA report.(Ari :““He did not””. When

89. "I read the EPA report.(Ari :““He did not””. When Ari contradicts you, it is trouble.).
90. Laura——““The federal records show divorce is down, weddings are up and families are coming together”” (Sorry dear, you must have been looking at old records. Federal government no longer maintains such records.).
91. We did not support the Venezuelan coup.
92. Nunn-Lugar.
93. Anwar——only 2,000 acres will be disturbed.
94. Presidential records —— hiding them will make them more accessible. (If you say so?!?).
95. Ashcroft - We are able to respond to bio-terrorism attacks. Call 911.
96. Military —— Help is on the way.
97. My daughter did not wear kahki’’s to meet the Queen. (Just a kahki jacket.).
98. We have definite proof Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11.
99. "I was never arrested.
100. We have an agreement, which will be the largest disposal of nuclear war heads in history.
( Putting 2,200 into storage is not disposing of them in other people's dictionary.).
101.I believe in being held accountable. ( Why then, when we attacked Afghan, did you say ““I’’m not in charge. The Pentagon is running the war””) .
103. Plants must conform to same environmental standards of regulations as in Texas.
(Voluntary "compliance" isn’’t regulations.).
104. My number one priority is Osama Bin Laden- dead or alive. (for the moment).
105. You coal miners will get help from me.
106. "I got affirmative action rules in Texas. (O=Nothing.).
107. Admiral Quidly spokesman for Central Command in Afghan : We hit our targets miles away from homes.”” (Not according to eyewitnesses who saw friends homes take direct hits, Red Cross building, Vets hospital, wedding party, etc.).
108.
109. Ashcroft——550 prisoners——““It is against the law to release their names””. (Three days later assistant attorney general Chertoff said ““there is no specific law barring disclosure of names””.).
110. Gonzales——Mary Francs Berry said he lied to her over seating a commissioner on her commission.
111. Mitch Daniels - Economic slow down is due to war on terror and not tax cut.
(When he made that statement very little spending was being done to fight terrorism.).
112. Justice Department——Lied on number of arrests and convictions for terrorism. (They loaded the report with garden variety crimes with no connection to terrorism).
113. Justice said man disrupting a flight was a ““domestic terrorist””.
(The judge laughed at the charge and called it ““ridiculous””. He said it was an obvious case of a man being very upset at his treatment by airlines.).
114. IAEA——Harpers Review——1-14-03——claimed the group had issued a report which did not exist. This boy brain scorched?.
115. We will not become the police of the world. OK! Just judge, jury and executioner.
116. Gale Norton——““Governor Davis had a hand in approving offshore drilling””.
( Governor Davis called him a ““Liar””.).
117. Cheney said Tax Cut stimulated savings and investments.
118.AL Q is operating in Kashmir section of Pakistan. ( Strong denial by Pakistan so waffled away saying well we thought they were there. We had a gut feeling.).119.We should not execute anyone who is mentally retarded. ( He executed two with IQ under 70.).
120.Cheney——In order to meet our future electrical needs we need to build one plant per week. ( A cutback.).
121. "I got the first major energy policy in history. ( Jimmy Carter earned that distinction 25 years ago.).
122. The sleepovers in the Texas State House were only family. (And they gave 2.1 million to your campaign.).
123. "I have been off alcohol since I met Billy Graham. (That video all over the internet showing you stoned at a wedding reception in 1992 was magic?) .
124. Mitch Daniels : "The 2003 budget was built on very conservative and cautious assumptions.".
125. OMB :"appropriations of domestic programs are, or will be, the cause of long term budget problems".
126. OMB : "deficits will drop significantly between 2002 and 2003.".
127. OMB : in it’’s mid-year review it claimed that the Senate domestic budget plan would reduce the president’’s defense request for the 2003 budget. (The Senate plan included the presidents full request and OMB knew it. ).
128. Padilla——Ashcroft had to reverse his claim of capturing a terrorist who was planning bio-chemical attack on us.
129. Bush claimed Al Q was planning to attack U.S. nuclear plants. (No proof yet. Just spreading fear).
130. Photo-op in Arizona during wildfires. ””We will help””. (Arizona is still waiting.) .
131.Wolfowitz : "We found a terrorist cell in Jacksonville, Florida." (When asked for proof by Jacksonville leaders, they were told it was just my gut feeling.).
132. Photo-op in Oregon at training center. ““I will help””. (A week later his budget came out cutting such training programs by 45 million.).
133. Harken Energy---records show blatant lies by George W. Bush.
134. "I will veto bio-terrorism bill; it is too expensive. (Then signed it.).
135. Told state officials it was illegal to place limits on coverage of emergency services for the poor.
(Then, put out a new policy allowing HMO’’s to do just that).
136. Said his application to a Prep School was not rejected. (It was. He admitted it later.).
137. Said his 2001 Tax Cut was originally designed (during the height of the Clinton boom) as a stimulus.
138. Dan Bartlett : "““Since he was not flying there was no need for him to take physical””. He was grounded because he refused to take a physical. Quite plain on his record. Snort snort.
139. Campaign official : "There was no special deal for him to get into the National Guard.!.
140. Most small business owners pay income tax at the 39.6% rate. Boy, 5% Is not most.
141. Al Q and Iraq are in cahoots.
142. Lie to democratic caucus.
143. Discovery of cannisters is proof Iraq is not cooperating with the inspectors.
144. "I am a Uniter not a Divider. Sho! Got the world united against us.
145. Ken Lay : "First met him in 1994. Very stupid lie.
146. Ken Lay supported my opponent. Yuk! You are sick to make such blatant misstatements .
147. Am Iraqi agent met with Al Q Mohamed Atta in Prague. Phantom meeting.
148. Condi Rice : "No one ever dreamed of such a thing as a plane being used as a bomb””.
149. Ari : "There will be no social security for young people. Well! I must have been wrong.
150. ““I visited the Space Center in Houston while Governor””. No you did not . Why does this BOY say such things?.
151. The recession began before I took office.
152.““You can’’t say one thing and do another””. ““My tax cut will not cause deficits even in a recession.””.
153. Colin Powell before UN: ““The tape clearly establishes a connection between Osama Bin Laden and Hussein, beyond all question.”” (The tape when played in it’’s entirety told a very different story.)
154. Colin showed a photo which he alleged was a plant producing chemical weapons. Baloney. Old buildings. Small bakery. Thirty reporters went to the site and said ““Bunk””. It was on European TV but did you see it on American TV?.
155. Ari said the evidence by the UN inspectors of a missile site which could travel beyond UN limitations was a breach. Iraq said it varied in distance according to payload. Russian authority said it was reported to the UN. The extra distance was minimal. It could go 120 miles which will just about make it a Serious Security Risk for America?.
156. Newsday-2-23-03-Bush and Ari lied whey they said the Blue Chip Forecast showed the economy would grow at 3.3% this year if Bush tax cut is passed. Randall Moore editor of Blue Chip denied the claim. Why do these BOYS keep making such false claims? White House personnel became almost hysterical in trying to spin it.
157. ““I support After-School Programs””. In 10-2-03 letter he sent to After School Alliance. Cut the funding by 40% per E.J. Dionne in Washington Post on 3-7-03. Rep. George Miller said ““Not unexpected. It was a Clinton Program. There is obviously a search-and-destroy mission against anything that was Clinton””. Nice Christian group?.
158. Reuters-3-7-03-The U.S. and British lied about their proof Iraq imported Uranium. The IAEA concluded it was a false charge. Psychos? .
159. 2-28-03-Speech on Homelnd Secuirty-““I proposed 3.5B for first Responders. He proposed an increase of 1B not 3.5B as he claimed He vetoed 400 Million passed by Congress for First Responders and in 2002 he actually froze money for them.
160. Colin: ””They are hiding banned arms in mobile laboratories””. Outlook India. Com 3-6-03 ““Hans Blix stated”” No evidence of such activities has been found. He said his inspectors had followed U.S. leads and got nothing””.
161. January 3, 2003 : ““My Jobs Program(for rich) will create 2.1 million jobs and the tax cut shave been front loaded to have as much effect in the first year as possible. January 8th-White House document released ahowed that job creation will be about 190,000 in 2003. NY Times Edmund L. Andrews 1-9-03.
162. Ameri-Corps : "Wash. Post Dana Milbank-2-27-03-““During SOUA Bush made it a central part of his ““Compassionate Conservative”” program and called for it to grow to 75,000 from 50,000. Instead, It is possible enrollment will be 26,000 this year. In December of 2002 Bush said it was ““expanding mightily””. The funding will be 64 million short in 2003.””.
163. Salmon Fish Story-Seattle Post Intelligence 1-16-03-Bush said ““the salmon runs can be restored without building dams. The man and fish can coexist. Bush is still holding up 4 million to help them coexist.
164. Paul Krugman-NY Times-2-25-03-Presdient Vincente Fox of Mexico felt betrayed by his good buddy Bushlite. Old Bushie (promises made-promises kept) promised to give amnesty to all illegal immigrants from Mexico. Next time Vicente watch who you trust. Be sure they are solid Christians! Remember this is White House overflowing with Dignity and Integrity. Plus convicted criminals.
165. Wash. Post 2-26-03-““I have not made up my mind on war (slaughtering ). John Bolton, Undersecretary of State said ““We are going ahead UN or no UN. It is already final? I am a leader? I am in charge? I will make the decision?.
166. Ari said ““We know they have it (WMD). A list of 25 sites were quietly provided.”” Hans Blix challenged Bush and Powell to put up or shut up”” . The info they provided has been junk junk junk said UN Inspectors.
167. Ari ““Bush is willing to be patient””. The very next day Bush said ““time is running out””. Who is in charge? Do these boys speak to each other?.
am willing to offer them food and energy assistance if they stop their nuke-uler program.”” I say what I mean. When my mind is made up it stays made up. Do we have a scorched brain here?.
169. Colin tried to paste a link between Saddam and Al Queda by saying ““a sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Queda net work.”” He used as proof a chemical weapons training center in an area controlled by Ansar al-Islam. Reporters visited he area and found no poof.
In fact, the group hates Saddam and Al Queda.
170. 2-3-03 White House Fact Sheet-““The budget would be in double digit deficit if there had never been a tax cut in 2001. The budget returned to deficit because of War, Recession and emergencies associated with the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11””. Whoever wrote the Fact Sheet did not look at Historical tables volume of White house budget. Page 5 read: An economic slowdown began in 2001 and was exacerbated by the terrorists attack of September 11. The ““deterioration”” in the performance of the economy came together ““with income tax relief”” provided to help offset the economic slowdown and additional spending in response to the terrorist attacks produced a drop in the surplus to 127.1 billion and a return to deficits in 2002.
171. Bush said only North Korea was to blame for crisis. Colin Powell gave ““great credit”” to Clinton for freezing NK plutonium enrichment program in the 1994 Framework Then. Wash Post reported a senior Bush administration official suggested the nuclear crisis was the predictable result of a flawed 1994 agreement signed by Clinton with Pyongyang that ““frontloaded all the benefits and left the difficult things to the end for the next president (Clinton). Honor,Dignity and Integrity. It got lost somehow.
A great source of Bush lies is Sam Parry article of 11-4-02 in www.consortiumnews.com headed ““Bush’’s Life of Deception””.
172. The Education as number one priority has slipped through the cracks. The 2004 Budget of Bush eliminated 45 educational programs. A total of 1.6 Billion. Major ones are Comprehensive School Reform ( $ 235 million). Rural Education ( $ 162.5 million). Smaller Learning Communities ( $ 142.2millon). Perkins Loans ( $ 100 million). Regional Educational Laboratories( $ 67.5 million). Leveraging Educational Asst. Partnerships( $ 67 million). Preparing teachers to use technology ( $ 62.5 million). Community Service of expelled students ( $ 50 million). Parental Asst. Info. Centers ( $ 40 million). Physical Education Programs ( $ 50 million). Community Technology Centers( $ 32.5 millon). Fund for the Improvement of Education was cut by( $ 361 million). Source is Report by House Budget Committee (Democratic Caucus-John Spratt Jr.) 2-4-03 : "this c- student a loose in land of learning! .
173. NY Times-3-10-03——Elizsabeth Rumiller-““Antiwar Clerics wonder if Bush hears their call””. Cardinal Pio Laghi a peace emissary sent by the Pope John Paul II to meet with Bush said ““he was told he could not talk to reporters in the White House driveway where microphones are routinely set up for visitors to the Oval Office. (Ari Fleischer said it was not true. Cardinal Laghi held a press conference anyway. Will you believe emissary from Pope or Ari?).
174.Harper’’s magazine-Weekly Review-3-4-03 : "Bush administration officials hinted Russia might have a hard time collecting it’’s Iraqi debts, if it fails to support Bush war plans. (Other security council members were being told they would pay a ““heavy price”” for refusing to support Bush. Ari said in effect that they were all lying).
175. Consortium News-11-4-02-In the October 11 debate Bush said the Clinton-Gore administration ““took 40 million acres of land out of circulation without consulting local officials. He said ““I just cited an example of the administration just unilaterally acting without any input.”” (The Forest Service conducted 600 public meetings.) (Like Father like son ““I will do (or say) anything to win””. GHW Bush in 1992.).
176. Bush said during the debate ““Our water in Texas is cleaner now””. The Sierra Club said ““The discharge of industrial toxic pollution into surface waters in Texas increased from 23.2 million pounds in 1995 to 25.2 million pounds in 1998 the last year of available data (Bush hiding it?).
177. Bush said: ““I do not need polling to tell me what to think””. NBC News 10-6-00 reported Bush spent over one million dollars on polling during his campaign. It was widely reported that during first two years in the White House over one million per year was spent on polling as much as Clinton spent over first two years.
““Who cares what you think””. He must have meant it for all Americans.
Reporter-Writer Sam Parry writes ““Bush’’s growing record of lies, both big and small, suggest something perhaps more troubling. His personal history of heavy drinking, drug use, carousing, disappearances from military duty, repeated business failures and political hypocrisies -- combined with his ability to avoid ever paying a significant price for his deceptions - have given him a sense of his own infallibility””.
Paul Krugman-NY Times-(on wmnf-fm-tampa 2-26-03)-The Bush administration’’s level of irresponsibility and dishonesty is unprecedented””. Amen! .
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Washington Post Editorial on Bush Tax Cut: ””Mr. Bush must know how phony his ““averages”” are. Anytime a salesman has to resort to such deceptive tactics, the customer ought to be wary about what is being sold””.
Dennis Hans writes:””I review below 23 ““techniques of deception”” of Bush and his foreign-policy team.””.178. Colin before UN: ““My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.”” (Powell presented now discredited presentations of bogus tales based on discredited defectors , tortured captives, photos and tape recordings that proved little or nothing. Wild speculation. A ““fine British dossier built on plagiarized essays with 12 year old ““revelations”” and so on.).
179. Powell makes strong claims about Iraq’’s retention and development of non-conventional weapons. Instead of providing proof Powell produced photos of al-Taji ammunition storage facility. Powell claimed they are a ””signature item”” for chemical bunkers. A picture of a truck and a shed by themselves reveal nothing about the content of the adjacent bunker. Swinney note: Reporters visited the site only a couple days later and found a small bakery and dilapidated buildings.
180. Powell used tapes of conversations. (The State Department’’s transcript of the actual conversation makes it evident that Powell had embellished the quote to make it appear much more incriminating. Intent to deceive is LYING.).
181. Bush claimed the location of Samoud 2 Missiles was ““the Tip of the Iceberg””. (He has produced nothing to back up such a claim. If he has information he is required to notify the inspectors under UN Resolution.) .
182 Powell stated there were labs in remote Kurdistan. (No proof.) .
183. Powell stated there were mobile labs with WMD. (No proof. Hans Blix’’s inspectors followed all leads supplied by U.S. Intelligence and some inspectors called US Intelligence information ““junk”” and kept them on wild goose chases (found two mobile food kitchens). www.accuracy.org has several examples of deception.).
184. Bush said during his speech to UN Security Council on Sept 12 ““Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." In his SOUA on Jan 28 he repeated it.
185. Bush made inference eight times to a tie between Iraq and Al Qaeda in his news conference. By citing 9/11 he tried to alchemize American anger at Al Qaeda into support for smashing Saddam. (No proof of Saddam-Al Qaeda connection.).
186. Bush said location of Samoud2 Missiles was ““Tip of Iceberg””. No proof of any iceberg. If he has proof he is in violation of UN Resolution by withholding information from inspectors.
Noted Journalist Sy Hearst-““There is no real standard of integrity because the White House doesn’’t have any””.
Paul Krugman-NY Times-America’’s leadership has lost touch with reality. The eagerness to believe that an Iraq nuclear program does exist has led to a series of embarrassing debacles capped by the forged Niger papers. It is clear that deposing Saddam has become an obsession.””.
187. -03-13-03--AP-Niko Price-From Al-Taji, Iraq--IRAQ DRONE. Iraqi officials took journalists to the Ibn Firna State Company just north of Baghdad where the drone’’s project director said Colin Powell and Bush lied. The Drone was made of Balsa wood with two small propellers attached to what looks like the engine of a weed whacker.
188. Bush II Shootout at OK Corral speech : "““Every measure was taken to avoid war””——words will live in infamy. One analyst revealed 21 lies Bush spoke in his ““24 hour to leave Dodge”” speech. 189. David Ensor-CNN Wash. Bureau-3-14-03-Powell referred to proof of Iraq attempting to buy uranium in his UN presentation.(Totally false. Fake documents.).
190. Wash Post-3-21-03-Glenn Kessler : "““It’’s a bald face lie to claim the ““coalition”” is greater than the one on 1991”” per Ivo H. Daalder of Brookings Institute.( The comparison is not even close.).
191. Ari said several times ””Iraq is a wealthy nation””. Los Angeles Times Warren Vieth artivcle 4-3-03-- (The Iraq balance sheet is a Basket case. Financial shambles. Debt load. Cash flow low. Shaky currency. High unemployment. Sounds like George Bush has been in charge for past ten years!).



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 04:50 PM
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BT, you Dems keep on wanting to think it was about a BJ; in the spirit of truth, be honest and admit that it wasn't just that. Your attempting to assert that doesn't make any truer and you know that.

As far as the article goes, let's see how long it takes to see it in domestic news sources. And, let's see what else unfolds, as Phoenix has pointed out some good possibilities.

I know, you are really wanting Bush to fall on his face, but let's wait to see it happen before we declare it an actuality.



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 06:57 PM
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Yeah, yeah.....the game is still afoot, bet on it.

I defintiely agree with this article though:

"If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People"
Link:
www.rightwingnews.com...

"Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush crowd is claiming that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. The story being floated now is that Saddam had no WMD (or almost none) and that the Bush administration didn't tell the truth about the WMD threat.

Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent Democrats, who have told the same lies since the inspectors pulled out of Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002



Mr. Kay's words:

"STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)"
Link:
www.cia.gov...

UNSCOM's Unresolved Issues:

"Historic Review of UNMOVIC’s Report on Unresolved Disarmament Issues"
Link:
www.state.gov...



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-1-2004 by Seekerof]



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 07:04 PM
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and Dem's have dropped to the level of degrading a persons intelligence, patriotism, and screaming fascist and nazism mantra's.

I could go grab about 20 quotes of repub's doing the exact same thing ..so really its about character and passion for the subject....not really about political affiliation..but thats just my opinion..



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
It is a known fact Bush lies a lot. Here let me give you some.
190 Bush (and Bush staff) lies

5. The claim that "Al Gore lied re: his role in creating the Internet".


So, Al Gore did invent the internet?



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Milk


So, Al Gore did invent the internet?


yes. he did. but he never said it. this is what he said. Without Gores bill the internet would not be commercial.

BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic and international issues in a minute, but let's just wrap up a little bit of the politics right now.

Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?

GORE: Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.


good info here but it's old.
www.interesting-people.org...

trying to find the programming book I have that has the exact bill number and name with the other co sponsors name.


[Edited on 9-1-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 07:59 PM
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lol@DD

Hind sight is 20/20--600 million tax payer dollars wasted on searching for WMD in Iraq. Goodness, he should've planted some. We all supposed he would. No one actually believed that WMD crap anyways. Those that did or still do are horribly gullible. I mean, with the neo-cons paper trail we have to know this was policy waiting for the right climate. WMD was just an excuse, a very costly one at that.



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Saphronia
lol@DD

Hind sight is 20/20--600 million tax payer dollars wasted on searching for WMD in Iraq. Goodness, he should've planted some. We all supposed he would. No one actually believed that WMD crap anyways. Those that did or still do are horribly gullible. I mean, with the neo-cons paper trail we have to know this was policy waiting for the right climate. WMD was just an excuse, a very costly one at that.


Yes but the real reason was God told him to strike Saddam.


According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.” >>”Ha’aretz: `Road map is a life saver for us,’ PM Abbas tells

[Edited on 9-1-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 08:20 PM
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While I agree that the WMD issue seems to be at this moment a failed intelligence effort by both the international community and by our agencies here stateside. Does that mean we wont find any? Not at all....but the chances probably are slim. Is it Bushs fault we had bad intelligence and the UN stated that over 7500 tonnes of WMDs were still unaccounted for in Iraq? Hardly. Blame who you will, but this was a international blunder on intelligence, granted the WMD's were not moved or are hiding in some spiderhole.

People who want to go on about the 2000 election need to wake up and get with reality. Gore lost, any way you want to spin it, the truth is Gore lost and he lost democratically.

Gore may have voted for commercializing the internet, but so did many other congressmen, poiliticians. So do take credit for it solely when he didnt write the Bill he specified to is basically IMO the same as plagerism. Taking credit for someone elses proposals. So even though he may of voted on the issue, he never wrote the specific Bill.

DD if I ever get really bored I will debunk most of what you wrote on Bush above.....But then I would need about a week of time to actually look up facts, instead of copy and pasting from a left wing website to form my own opinion instead of relying on what others tell me to believe. Its always easy to copy and paste others thoughts, but its much more expedient and intelligent to form your own opinion on every issue instead of cloning your beliefs to every internet junkie who makes a website hating Bush which include obvious inaccuracies in their writings.

I



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 08:24 PM
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Dreamz I think you're taking the Gore vs Bush # a bit to seriously. No need to debate it. It doesn't matter anyway.



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL

Originally posted by Saphronia
lol@DD

Hind sight is 20/20--600 million tax payer dollars wasted on searching for WMD in Iraq. Goodness, he should've planted some. We all supposed he would. No one actually believed that WMD crap anyways. Those that did or still do are horribly gullible. I mean, with the neo-cons paper trail we have to know this was policy waiting for the right climate. WMD was just an excuse, a very costly one at that.


Yes but the real reason was God told him to strike Saddam.


According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.” >>”Ha’aretz: `Road map is a life saver for us,’ PM Abbas tells

[Edited on 9-1-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]


If you think that is the only reason you are losing it. Bush doesnt make these policies on his own. If I told you that I heard on the internet that god told Bush, "Make love to a purple donkey in Istanbul." would you believe it?



DD, I only made a small comment on the 2000 election in that specific post. I am just sick of hearing about it and the mis-use of facts surrounding it. The rest of my post was generally the arguement over Gore's Internet comment.


[Edited on 9-1-2004 by Dreamz]



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 08:29 PM
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"17. I will balance the budget"

start with that one dreamz



posted on Jan, 9 2004 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by McGotti


"17. I will balance the budget"

start with that one dreamz




Common Dreamz you can't defend Bush. No one can
and not look like a complete fool.



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