Moveon.org - ATTACKED! (Bush Reich is finally revealed, read!)

What if he was threatened to say that? I thought that was the best commercial they had, it REALLY puts bush in perspective. It is not the website's fault that the similarities between Bush and Hitler are very close. It is possible that he personally decided that it was in "bad taste", but whose taste I wonder. It was certainly not in our government's taste...

Dear Sir,

My family was one of Hitler's victims. We lost a lot under the Nazi occupation, including an uncle who died in the camps and a cousin killed by a booby trap. I was terrified when my father went ballistic after finding my brother and me playing with a hand grenade. (I was only 12 at the time, and my brother insisted the grenade was safe.) I remember the rubble and the hardships of 'austerity' - and the bomb craters from Allied bombs. As late as the 1980s, I had to take detours while bombs were being removed - they litter the countryside, buried under parking lots,buildings, and in the canals and rivers to this day. Believe me, I learned a lot about Hitler while I was growing up, both in Europe and here in the US - both my parents were in the war and talked about it constantly, unlike most American families. I spent my earliest years with the second-hand fear that trickled down from their PTSD - undiagnosed and untreated in those days.

I'm no expert on WWII - but I learned a lot about what happened in Germany - and Europe - back in those days. I always wondered how the wonderful German people - so honest, decent, hard-working, friendly, and generous - could ever allow such a thing to happen. (There were camps near my family's home - they still talk about them only in hushed conspiratorial whispers.) I asked a lot of questions - we were only a few kilometers from the German border - and no one ever denied me. My relatives had obviously spent a lot of time thinking about the war - they still haven't forgotten - I don't think anyone can forget such a horrible nightmare. Among the questions I asked:

Why didn't you do anything about the people in the camps?

Everyone was terrified. People 'disappeared' into those camps. Sometimes the Nazis came and lined everyone up, walking behind them - even school children - with a cocked pistol. You never knew when they would just shoot someone in the back of the head. Everyone was terrified. Everyone was disarmed - guns were registered, so all the Nazis had to do was go from house to house and demand the guns.

Didn't you see what was happening?

We saw. There was nothing we could do. Our military had no modern weapons. The Nazis had technology and resources - they just invaded and took over - we were overwhelmed by their air power. They had spies everywhere - people spying on each other, just to have an 'ace in the hole' in case they were accused - and anyone who had a grudge against you could accuse you of something - just an accusation meant you'd disappear. Nobody dared ask where you had gone - anyone who returned was considered suspicious - what had they said, and who did they implicate? It was a climate of fear - there's nothing anyone can do when the government uses fear and imprisonment to intimidate people. The government was above the law - even in Germany, it became 'every man for himself'. Advancement was possible by exposing 'traitors' - anyone who questioned the government. It didn't matter if the people you accused were guilty or not - just the accusation was enough.
more at.
truthout.org...
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So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda. The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law and international standards of justice.

[Edited on 9-1-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]

Originally posted by lilblam
What if he was threatened to say that? I thought that was the best commercial they had, it REALLY puts bush in perspective. It is not the website's fault that the similarities between Bush and Hitler are very close. It is possible that he personally decided that it was in "bad taste", but whose taste I wonder. It was certainly not in our government's taste...

*sigh* Why do I feel like I'm hitting my head against a wall?

ONCE AGAIN, my entire point in this whole thing, is that the there is a video interview with one of the men in charge of "www.moveon.org" on ABCnews , in which he admits that the "Bush-Hitler videos" are in bad tatse, apologizing if they offended anyone, and stating they don't always have direct control of what gets onto their site.

This is not my personal view or my opinion, this is straight from the guy running the site.
To claim any kind of "conspiracy" theory here basically means you assume that now the leaders of "moveon.org" are in on this conspiracy.

SevenZeroOne is right lilblam there is no conspiracy. If the repubs threatened Boyd he would have used it as major ammo, even if they paid him off.

Besides the add would have shown the people the truth in to scary of a way.

You may be right. In fact you probably are.

But let's face it, the truth IS the truth. If the TRUTH is that there's huge correlations between nazis and Bush's regime, then no matter how ya TWIST it, the only way for that truth to be known is going to be "in a scary way".

But, could it be that because people are so afraid of seeing the truth, it's just so damn scary and distasteful, that THAT is precisely why it is always so easy to hide it from them! They don't even WANT to know! I am sure MANY MANY people would complain if that hitler commercial was shown, because the truth is a scary thing indeed.

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
SevenZeroOne is right lilblam there is no conspiracy. If the repubs threatened Boyd he would have used it as major ammo, even if they paid him off.

Besides the add would have shown the people the truth in to scary of a way.

It is probably true that had Boyd been personally threatened, he would have used it as ammunition against the government, but the government is not as stupid as it seems. Knowing that would be his reaction, they would have threatened his family or people close to him, instead of him personally. I have seen them use this tactic on my own family, and it works. Just because he apologized for the ad being posted on his site, doesn't mean he wanted to do it, or that he thought it was in bad taste. We all know that just because something is said doesn't mean it's true.

As for the Bush/3rd Riech comparison, this is an excerpt from,
"They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945", By Milton Mayer
University of Chicago Press. www.thirdreich.net...
"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked � if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in "43" had come immediately after the "German Firm" stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in "33". But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying "Jew swine," collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in � your nation, your people � is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way. "

The thought of comparing the U.S. to the 3rd Riech, like the authors of the Bush/Hitler ad did, may be scary and "alarmist" to some, but it was the same to the people of Germany when Hitler came to power. Nobody thought that their countrymen and leaders would betray their trust. They thought that they would notice it, if something like that were to happen, but they were looking for a major display of corruption, not the subtle, sneaky steps that were being used right under their noses.


[Edited on 10-1-2004 by jezebel]

Imagery and likness does seem "fair play" doesn't it?








regards
seekerof

wow Dean makes a handsom Nazi.

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
wow Dean makes a handsom Nazi.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking. If anyone ran that ad, I wouldn't boycott... I'd laugh.

Why is the reicht (er) right so uptight anyway?

Originally posted by RANT
Why is the reicht (er) right so uptight anyway?

Because Bush is a Nazi. The truth hurts.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Lets see, isn't .cassiopaea.org the same site that believes in COINTELPRO and has communications with "beings" and "entities" from the what....4th or 5th dimension or something like that?

MoveOn.org is getting what it has been dishing.....sounds like fair game to me

Grab a tissue....cause I certainly won't.



regards
seekerof

Gee and I guess you believe that the scientific method is a boon to humanity too?

Regarding Cassiopaea their problem is that they are socialists and academics a PHD and a Masters the two of them are.

Gee Seekerof you would respect them then right?

WOAW. It's amazing how so many peoples are following lilblam in his madness & paranoia.

At least, I hope you all have a straightjacket ? In some cases, it can be very usefull.