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reply posted on 10-7-2007 @ 06:07 AM by thedman

From the NIST statements i have posted in a couple of posts the steel should not have weakened from the temperatures that NIST have concluded. They contradict alot of the statements and conclusions they come up with. On one hand they claim to weaken the steel and on the other hand they claim from the tests they conducted that temperatures did not reach over 600 degrees thus would not be possible to weaken steel.


Seem to think that entire building would have to be raised to critical
temperature for building to fail - it does not. Only small section of the
steel needs to be heated to failure point for collapse to start. Once that
section begins to fail loads are transferred to nearby components. If
those components are also under strees heat or impact damage will
also been to fail until building structure is overloaded. In WTC critical
failure was section of exterior wall columns where fire was most intense
causing floors to sag and pull them out of alignment. Once this section
of columns failed it pulled rest of building down with it.

The jet fuel acted as accelerant in massive arson fire - as posted earlier
there is more than enough fire load in modern buildings to sustain fires
and heat steel to failure points. Nist attempted to find steel pieces with paint intact (difficult considering thousand feet fall and debris burning
for months later) to see if heat had blistered paint off. Analysis of steel
by crystal structure (examining sections under high power microscope
to check if crystal structure altered by heat) Found many sections of steel
heated over 1000 F some reaching 1800 F - more than enough to cause
steel to fail.


reply posted on 10-7-2007 @ 11:10 AM by Griff
Originally posted by CaptainObvious
I see your point. What I read leads me to believe that no such study actually took place. Robinson cant find his copy of the report he claims he wrote and engineers he said he worked on it with say the dont remember working on it.


So, is Robertson lying then? Why would he lie about it? Is he trying to CHA (cover his arse)? Just some questions we can speculate on.

This has always struck me as odd also.

There were only two problems. The first, of course, was that no study of the impact of a 600-mile-an-hour plane ever existed. ''That's got nothing to do with the reality of what we did,'' Robertson snapped when shown the Port Authority architect's statement more than three decades later. The second problem was that no one thought to take into account the fires that would inevitably break out when the jetliner's fuel exploded, exactly as the B-25's had. And if Wien was the trade center's Cassandra, fire protection would become its Achilles' heel.

scott-juris.blogspot.com...

Now, why is the fire from jet fuel "inevitable" just like the B-25's but no one took it into account? Just like Rice could never foresee them using planes as missiles? And why are these people still employed again?

The speed of the plane was irrelevant. There was no way to determine back in 64 to what extent of damage the fire would cause.


Why? There was precedent about steel behavior in fire in '64.

I dunno...like i said.. lots of fingerpointing because the buildings fell where claims stated it should have stood.


Maybe someone knows that the buildings were built shoddy?


reply posted on 10-7-2007 @ 03:08 PM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Cars:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'll have to post up the time materials later, from home, back from vacation, havent even been home to hook up the new MB yet. Hint: WATCH, and light angles.


reply posted on 10-7-2007 @ 05:28 PM by BeZerk
As i have stated numerous times, i don't think conventional explosives were used, but thats not important, what is important are the numerous characteristics that arise from the buildings collapse that are evident and which we can see from watching the horrifying events of that day. We obviously cannot prove to you exactly what type of explosive was used and so, but then again if NIST conducted its research in a correct manner we would not have received this nonsense:

Did NIST look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter.

NIST STATEMENT: "NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel."


If they had tested for these compounds we could have determined what type of explosive was used and so on.

Molten steel was found under ALL 3 buildings. How is it possible for molten steel to be found under WTC7 when no plane crashed into it, thus no jet fuel, also the fact that no steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fires, so once again how did WTC7 collapse without the means of some sort of explosive?

Moreover,

Although virtually all of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's volunteer investigators did manage to perform "limited metallurgical examination" of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in
Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence.

They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "inter granular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." WPI provides a graphic summary of the phenomenon - Source

FEMA's investigators inferred that a "liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur" formed during a "hot corrosion attack on the steel." The eutectic mixture (having the elements in such proportion as to have the lowest possible melting point) penetrated the steel down grain boundaries, making it "susceptible to erosion." Following are excerpts from Appendix C, Limited Metallurgical Examination.

Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.

The thinning of the steel occurred by high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

The unusual thinning of the member is most likely due to an attack of the steel by grain boundary penetration of sulfur forming sulfides that contain both iron and copper.

liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.

The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.
- Source

We also know from numerous studies conducted by Professor Steven Jones on the theory of Thermate that characteristics such as severe corrosion, intra granular melting, and abundance of sulfur are consistent with the theory.

Please watch the lecture of Professor Steven Jones below for an in depth analysis and research he proves without a shadow of a doubt that thermate was used to destroy the buildings. He conducted his research using a Electron microscope and analyzed steel spheres from WTC site, what he found was a thermate signature and compounds of thermate.


Google Video Link


Link for above video - LINK

BeZerK



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