Originally posted by wheresthetruth
Anyone who just takes it all as absolute fact is missing the point. The point, that has been posted here over and over, that you should wake up, look around you and pay attention to what you are being exposed to.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make in my earlier post.

Pay attention. Do your research. Learn about things; people may find that things they have believed for years are incorrect.

When a person is educated and aware, he/she is less likely to be controlled.

Thanks darkelf hard hitting documetery has deffinetly given me some food for thought.

The jesuets sound like a nice bunch of people i think i will have to watch it again as theres so much info to take in.Lots of quotes from some pretty influential people makes zeitgeist's hypnotic style seem so unnecesary apart from to get the attention of a younger audience.

I'm more of a lurker here, but I thought I'd put in my two cents. I'm not going to try to prove religion, nor am I trying to disprove it. My interest is in the thought of the Zeitgeist. The point of the movie, and the irony encased within it.

Here, we have this movie, that supposedly reveals all of these truths. Tomes of information that seemingly prove that all of the things we know and have come to accept in life are at best, illusions. It underscores the idea of "think for yourselves." While this is a great and fantastic concept, the way they went about it is totally wrong:

The movie is full of citations that mean nothing.

I said I'm not here to prove the validity of the research or whatever, and I'm not. I'm just pointing out that using these conspiracy writers and sources that are flaky at best is exactly like using the bible to prove the bible. You're using conspiracy propaganda to prove conspiracies. And in my opinion, that's all the movie is - propaganda. Again, we come to: think for yourself.

The whole idea of a movie shoving this stuff down your throat and then saying "think for yourself" is a bit odd to me. The majority of the people that see this movie claim to be "enlightened" and "think for themselves" by regurgitating things that were said in the movie. Is that really thinking for yourself? You're just absorbing the movie that tells you to do something, then claim you're doing it by citing the movie. Redundancy at its finest.

I, personally, don't believe 7/8 of the things said in the movie, but that's my personal opinion. It also makes me wonder about the self-proclaimed athiests and "truthers" or whatever you want to call them that get so upset when you try to debunk their things debunking your things. Isn't that what they set out to do? Aren't they attempting to disprove something themselves because their faith is apparently shaky? If not, then why do they scream that's what the "believers" are attempting to do when they do the same exact thing to them?

I say do the research for yourself before you believe anything that is said by anyone. Believing a movie like that just because it says to is kind of a silly way to run your life, wouldn't you think? Then again, so would be believing religious manuscripts because they say to. But then again, which one is more reputable?

i just watched the movie for the first time yesterday. i have seen it posted for discussion on this board, yet had kept myself from looking for the simple fact that i don't buy into ANY religion. i believe in the spiritual which can be found underneath the surface of ALL religions (but the surface is there to keep those who aren't interested in knowing the truth from finding it).

however, a 15 yr old girl w/ whom i have much respect when it comes to her great insight on things (sometimes these kids can be far more profound than "learned" adults claim to be) asked me if i would watch it for her and tell her what i thought. so i did.

first, i think it is important to know that i had the bible literally beat into me from the time i was in my mothers womb lol. long story short, i became agnostic because i couldn't PROVE beyond any subjective stand point (and hardly even that at the time) that there was only one God and that that God was solely in accordance w/ what we can read in the Bible.

thus, i started a journey. a personal journey that began w/ a prayer to the Truth and for the Truth and ended up w/ me realizing that none of us stand w/out excuse to the true nature of God. He is found in the heavens, He is found on and in the earth, He is found in every single day, He is found in every book, every note of music, everything good and everything bad.. and most importantly He is found in everyone of us.

IF you feel the need to debunk or prove this movie OR ANY religion for that matter, your search for God has yet to even begin and I wish you all the luck should you choose to stop arguing and being dogmatic and start searching!

about this movie? my personal opinion is that in some ways it confirmed some things that i felt had been pointed out to me by (what some of you call) God, some of it was interesting and new to me and therefore i definately will be looking into it further, and yes, there was some information in there that wasn't true (just as there is in most anything we read and see). and just bc there was some misinformation in it doesn't mean it is worthy of being discounted altogether.


one more point: those who are dogmatic christians and want to point out the fact that jesus probably wasn't born on dec. 25th as a reason that the rest of the ppl should completely ignore this film should really stop celebrating his birth on that day or for consistency's sake, your words and beliefs should be discounted as well. not trying to be rude, but if needing 100% accuracy is a sign of something being worthy of attention, then, well, you get my point right? also, no more santa clause or easter bunny bc you are lying to your children and any lies out of your mouth could discredit your "word" w/ the rest of us. (btw.... i am not "christian", but because i believe in Truth, i don't feed my kids the lies of santa, bunnies, etc).

Who are you Amenti, u working for the government or something. You obviously aren't a true american. You obviously don't know too much about our government and our people. If you are a true american, you'd realize the potential danger our government opposes on the people. Not just the government, but as well as these bankers who believes they have the government in their control. It's funny, all these ppl thinkin they have control over these things anyways. The government, the bankers, secret societies and what not, each thinkin they have real power. Everyone knows there is a God and a Devil. Whether we know what they really are or not, they exist. Something has created this universe, a being did, a very powerful being of course. But, I'm sure God didn't know all this would happen once he gave us free will. The fall of the twin towers were controlled, otherwise it wouldn't fall straight down like they did. That's common sense. You can do experiments on it to test it yourself and see for yourself that it is true. Each state has a manditory law on how buildings are built. New York was designed specifically for taking on earthquakes. New York at a time was also being attacked through the harbors there, seen it on the history channel, forget what year, but early mid 20th century. So they made the buildings they made to withstand fire elements. They have made these buildings to withstand alot. Those planes really didn't do all that, common logic. I don't care if I get flagged or not, already am, if not, I'll be damned. I once had a dream, and emailed cnn about this dream. 3 months later, what happened, the 9-11 occured. The whole Jesus thing, dunno too much about, can find out tho if ya want. But, America won't be in power too long. For one, the children we have nowadays are way more rebellious than ever before. Also, a country that once was, well how it was spelled was Psyria. Let's just say I was shown something, and it freaked me out, still does, but not as much, mostly because I can't wait till this war occurs. I'm not sure what's gonna happen first. War, then natural disasters all over the world, or vice versa. But I think it's gonna be war first. After the initial war, people will have chips in them. There will also be the rebels. All this will be going on for 7 years I believe. I might be able to see my grand kids, then again I might not, but I will die around that time frame. I'm not scared either. I am hoping something else will occur, which I do not want to say at the moment. There will be one dominant ruler, but not by America. The government will sure try, but won't happen, if so, just for a short little while, till another country steps in, then another, then that one.
The vatican however is the biggest known organization to man, they have been in power for a very long time. The pope was the one who made men kings really. They specifically chose which man will be king for their own biddings. You would have to really dig to find those answers, but you can. There is no such thing as a war on terror, never has, never will. Common sense there. That's what's wrong with this world today, no common sense, no wisdom in the majority of people. If I was God, and I made humans, and kept telling them to chill or else, over and over again, what would you do though. He was basically babysitting us, while we rebelled against our creator. After eons and eons of disobeying him, he kind of left us to our own demise. Accept the very few who he keeps in touch with. Ya just have to listen, that's all. Soon, we all will find out the truth. And the ones who think money is power will regret it, and the ones who falls for their traps, they will. I only go by the bible as nothing but a guideline, nothing else. Even the truths have been takin away from the bible, or exaggerated to make some stories seem more hero like. I don't have the bible memorized, but sure have read it quite alot.

I don't get it, I just don't get it. We are being divided and conquered, we are being manipulated into attacking each other so we don;t confront those who need our attention. Every single thread on ATS these days is about "I'm right and you're wrong", and "If you don't believe what I believe your an idiot or a disinfo agent" or some other derogatory remark.

To the original OP, so you don't like the movie and others do. So what? So they didn't cite references that you agreed with. So what? So people have watched it and agreed with it's conclusions. So what? Deal with it and move on.

And this crap about citing references, how far back do you need to go for a reference to be a good reference? What about these original texts you say you should use, what references do they have to back up their claims in their texts? At what point does something not need a reference to be considered truth or fact? When it conforms to your beliefs perhaps?

What references are there in the bible to back up it's claims? None, and yet people hold it up as a book of truth, even though it contradicts itself and can be interpreted many different ways. Fine, if that's what floats their boat, cool, whatever you want to believe is fine. As long as I'm allowed to believe what I want to believe, even if it differs from you. It's called life, and you're a part of it, so stop wasting time trying to make other people believe what you do, or attacking them and the things they believe in. It's boring, repetative, and been discussed to death already, and nothing's changed, so let's move on.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Alethia]

Everyone knows religion is based on theories, NOT scientific FACT. In this year 2008 the world is very fact driven. Everything must be proven to be accepted widely, EXCEPT religion, ghosts, and aliens. Three things whitch could all be considered to be tied together. If you want to believe religion then good for you. Be a good person. However, there are other things to be listened to in this movie. There is a huge difference between parts 1, and the other parts 2 and 3. Part one has NOTHING to do with the rest of this movie.
I have a friend in the military that says the special ops military personel are REQUIRED to get chipped. I work in a hospital, and I was talking to a few doctors about these chips from Digital Angel. They were saying that this company is trying to get all newborn babies to have the chip installed. I have been hearing about these chips for almost 15 years now and it is finally happening. I don't know about everyone else but I don't want all my money controlled by a chip that is implanted in my arm. And I sure as hell don't want to be tracked and let the government know my whereabouts at all times. If this ever does happen, there is going to be a huge problem. People like myself would never get these installed. I would assume there would be millions more that feel the same way. I assume it would be enough that if the world were forced to get these that there would be a war taking place. I assume that since I am still under 30 years old that I will probably be long dead before this ever happens. Thank god for that! If there is a god.

although i know not everything in zeitgeist is true and its purpose is the important thing but i aboslutley love the opening line from jordan maxwell, i think that says it all right there.

Originally posted by Dr Love
My question is why do all these movies like Loose Change and Zeitgeist have to be "thoroughly" debunked? If it's all BS, what the hell do you people care anyways?

Excellent question! Amazingly, the narrator of "Zeitgeist" gave you the answer at the end of the movie: Educate yourself with the facts. That includes documentaries that purport to give you the truth, with little or no documented sources. Read the motto at the top of this website: "deny ignorance."

If the facts in these documentaries are really true, they should be verifiable. If you can't verify the truth of them, though, then, in the case if Zeitgeist, you just wasted 2 hours and 2 minutes of your life, and you may as well have spent that time watching a Spongebob marathon; at least you would have had gotten a laugh out of Spongebob.

Question everything...including the conspiracy theories.