Mig 33 Super-Fulcrum and Mig 35 Flashback

Guys I went to the Paris Airshow in '97 (or was it '98?). They had the Eurofighter there doing its performance, very cool plane. They also had the Eurocopter, the helicopter from James Bond Goldeneye. That was cool too. If yall want the cream of the crop airshow, go to the Paris Airshow. Its every couple of years. Very amazing. Might have to know a little french though .

Originally posted by Knuckles
Might have to know a little french though

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Don't worry, if you want to buy an eurcopter or a eurofighter, I'll do the translation for you. Of course, don't forget my little %.

Well ultra. which you want? Eurofighter, por favor. Oh wait thats spanish.

Originally posted by Knuckles

Oh wait thats spanish.

No es serio.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix


Viet-Nam war, the USA had the superiority.

Sky battles began in august, 1964. American capitalists thrown 330 aircrafts (F-105s, "Thunderchiefs", "Supersabers", "Voodoos", "Skyhawks", "Crusaders") against Vietnam people. At first Soviets used outdated MiG-17, which is slower than sonic. But it was MiG-17 which opened deathcount in this war, destroying 2 (two) F-105 (4 of April, 1965). Later, Americans lost 7 (SEVEN!!!) aircrafts, destroying ONLY 4 (FOUR!!!) MiG-17s. Now all saw what "advanced" American Air Force really worth! MiG-17s were a SCOURGE of American army, but real NIGHTMARE began when MiG-21s appeared on the battlefield. From May to December of 1966, MiG-21s destroyed 47 (FOURTY SEVEN!!!) American "advanced" aircrafts, losing ONLY 12 (TWELVE!!!) MiGs. That was a disaster for pathetic capitalist army. In 1967, Soviet pilots destroyed TWO TIMES more aircrafts, then American pilots. Another great victory of the Red Army! Americans thrown their new F-4s ("Phantoms") in combat. The strong side of F-4 is its speed, not maneurability (maneurability of F-4 was extremely bad), because originately F-4 was created to intercept super-fast Soviet bombers. Americans removed cannons from F-4, turning aircraft into bulky missile carrier and breaking connection between maneur and attack, in other words, turning pilot of F-4 into part of computer, into mindless machine (quite in Western style). Also, Americans continued to develop their favourite tactic ("air terror"), building superheavy fighters, made to approach, attack and then run away. They called it "tactical fighter concept". In other words, Americans made clumsy "Phantom" even more clumsy. Neither Nazis or Soviets build such coward, such backstabbing (and uneffecive) aircrafts. Americans laughed at Soviet aircrafts: "Ha-ha! Stalin's concept! Flying engine! Ha-ha!". Stupid capitalists: maneurable and fast MiG-21s blasted smile from faces of American pilots. MiG-21s easily destroyed American air squadrons (often turning radars off to prevent detection). Eventhough Americans had SIX TIME MORE AIRCRAFTS, they were LOSING war for skies. Americans tried to re-organise assaults, to block Vietnameese aerodromes, to use radiojammers. WITH NO RESULT! Then they gave their "Phantoms" cannons, tried to teach American "aces" (who already degraded into mindless machines for pushing right buttons) an art of close combat (ever seen laughable capitalist propaganda movie "Top Gun"?). WITH NO RESULT! In this war capitalists lost 3495 aircrafts (THREE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED NINETY FIVE!!!), destroying ONLY 76 (SEVENTY SIX!!!) communist aircrafts!

The problem was that N Vietnam had more than a few SAM's and Hanoi was the most heavily defended city in the world.

All these losses to Migs occured in North Vietnam and most of the times very close to their air bases. They never dared challenge the US Airforce in the open.

As for the F-105's being lost to the Mig-17, that's not surprising. The F-105 were used for deep penetration bombing missions and were never used primarily in the fighter role. Therefore they would be very easy targets especially if the Mig got them during bomb release.

So the North Vietnamese were just able to occasionally ambush a US flight, cnsideraing that there were several thousand sorties a day sometimes, the US was bound to take a few losses.

Also don't forget the US military was hamstrung as to what targets it could attack by politicians.

Vietnam air to air losses :

Mig-17 had 32 kills but lost 100 to the US
Mig-19 had 8 kills but lost 10 to the US
Mig-21 had 36 kills but lost 86 to the US

TOTAL 76................196

UH-1 Huey helicopters also shot down 2 An-2's

i was going to point out that the Mig-19 did better then either aircraft you mentioned stranger, but mad already did

damnit mad for stealing my posts

Originally posted by mad scientist
Vietnam air to air losses :

Mig-17 had 32 kills but lost 100 to the US
Mig-19 had 8 kills but lost 10 to the US
Mig-21 had 36 kills but lost 86 to the US

TOTAL 76................196

UH-1 Huey helicopters also shot down 2 An-2's

Mig are not good against western airfighters. I remember 1982, when Israelian Air Force was fighting against the Syrians, over the Bekaa Valley ( Liban ). Ten & ten of Syrians airfighters have been shot down by Israel. Israelians lost ? ZERO !!!

As like with the previous Israelian-Arabs wars. Israel Air Force has allways won all the dogfights and did a real slaughter in her ennemies ranks.

during Israel agression in Lyban (Syria, 1982 year) already outdated MiGs matched newest capitalist aircrafts! In 1973 year MiG-21 fought not with clumsy American machines, but with maneurable French "Mirage-3S", which Israel were using. But even "Mirages" didn't survived maneurable combat with Soviet aircrafts - their aerodynamics was inferior to advanced communist technology.
In 1982, during battle for Lyban, Syrian forces destroyed 6 (six) F-16, 5 (five) of which were destroyed by already outdated MiG-23MFs. During that war Israel F-16As (newest, state-of-the-art capitalist technology!) and other machines destroyed ONLY 7 (SEVEN!!!) outdated Su-22M storm bombers and several absolutely outdated Mi-8 helicopters (as far as I know, these Su-22Ms and Mi-8s didn't even had ANY anti-aircraft weaponry). Most effective Israel fighter was F-15 "Eagle" During war with Iraq (January of 1991), which was armed only with completely outdated Soviet junk, F-16 didn't destroyed ANY arabian aircrafts, F-15S destroyed 34 completely outdated aircrafts, F/A-18 destoyed only 2 (TWO) MiG-21s, losing 1 (ONE) aircraft (was done by MiG-25P). F-14 "Tomcat" killed only 1 (ONE) outdated helicopter. That's all. NOTHING MORE. Arabians were outnumbered 1 (ONE!!!) against 7-14 (SEVEN-FOURTEEN!!!), they didn't have ANY coordination centers or long-range detection aircrafts ,they didn't have training In other words, Americans "fought" with outdated MiG-21 (date of first flight of MiG-21 - 1958!), which still were powerfull enemies!

$tranger, without you, this board would be boring.

Sometimes, you the commies, you're so funny.

You're right UP, you can't not laugh at these bizarre posts of $trangers.