9/11 simulations, page 2

Originally posted by youngskeptic

There is absolutely no proof at all that the plane ripped of fireproofing from the steel.

If an air conditioner can rip the fireproofing off I think a huge airplane can

I wouldn't say a huge airplane, compared to a large building like the WTC there's no competition. Also, I could see it ripping off where the impact zones were however, I just don't see it blowing it off where the structure wasn't hit. Its like the movie myth where a person is shot and they fly off their feet. Obviously this doesn't happen, but what your telling me is that a plane 767 and a huge structure like the WTC colliding would rip off the fireproofing thorugh the entire building. That would take a lot of force to do, you would need a large number of aircraft to do that.

Out of context? If there had been raging fires inside the number of floors believe me the firefighters would have felt not only the 1000 Degree's temperature that NIST claims but have seen alot more fires than "ISOLATED" ones.

Your orginal claim that " there were only a few pockets of small fires which they could take out in 2 lines" is taken completely out of context bezerk

Yeah, I could see that be manipulating and cherry picking evidence, however have you seen photos where a bellow of smoke is coming off the WTC's?

This is sign of an oxygen starved fire. This is just one photograph.

“Only three of the recovered samples of exterior panels reached temperatures in excess of 250 C (482 F) during the fires or after the collapse. This was based on a method developed by NIST to characterize maximum temperatures experienced by steel members through observations of paint cracking.” NIST, p. 181

and how many samples did they collect? Over 200

200 pieces is not much to go on considering there were thousands and thousand of pieces of metal all over the place. You would think they would go over it with a fine tooth comb before ground zero's material was shipped away. I expected people from NIST to investigate the site itself instead of getting 2nd hand accounts afterward.

All four test specimens sustained the maximum design load for approximately 2 hours without collapsing.” NIST, p. 143

In Addition in the scaling issue raised by the test results, the fire in the towers on the september 11, and the resulting exposure of floor sysyems, were substantially different from the conditions in the test furnaces.

About wtc 7 read this link
www.popularmechanics.com...
I wouldn't put out what popular mechanics says, they are not the ultimate authority on structural engineering, NIST report is highly recommended to cite.

Also please watch the video i posted above to get further clarification that fire did not weaken the steels for collapse initiation.

I have but you have not looked at any of my links I posted or you would know that it was Purdue University researchers that made the computer model and not nist.

Well, the problem with a computer simulation is that a computer doesn't tell the truth, its whatever you program it to do. Its garbage in and garbage out.

Have a nice day

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