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I hear alot of talking..but where's the action?

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posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by UNnoticed
I live in California by the way so If you live in Cali, let's do it! What type of verbage or topics should I bring up to my congressman so they take me seriously? Should I wait till others want to do the same? Or just do it?!


I live in California too, and when I went to the San Francisco LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) Pride Parade, (The gay pride parade...) there was a lot of political action going on. As far as writing to someone,

There was a booth where they gave you a postcard to write on, to Nancy Pelosi regarding impeaching Dick Cheney. All you did was write your name, your reason to impeach Dick, and then they would send it off. There were hundreds and hundreds of those postcards. So you're not alone in this. I'm sure when a giant crate of postcards comes in, every single one saying to impeach Dick, Nancy can't just ignore it, the fact is stored somewhere in the back of her mind.




posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 06:17 PM
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I am fighting against them.
I am buying firearms, before they outlaw them like the Brits did.
I am saving up for a Taurus .38 snubbie right now.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 06:24 PM
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I was just thinking about how passive people are the other day. The fire alarm went off in my building and everybody kept walking around like nothing happened. I tracked it down and it was a false alarm. But I have been wondering why people let the President declare war. And why do young men adn women go into battle risking their lives without question. I am too old to go now but back in 1967 a lot of us marched against the war in Vietnam. We like to think we had something to do with it being called off. When John Kennedy was shot in Dallas, I lost all faith in government. I knew it was an inside job because he was too good, too idealistic to continue. When I saw the towers fall srtight down in 9-11-2001, I knew immediately it was an inside job. Indeed, why are so many Americans asleep? I guess it is because they have good jobs. They are eating well. They can afford the high gas prices. The war in Iraq is far away. So there is nothing in their world to get upset about. How sad.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 06:29 PM
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The time is not yet ripe - you will know when.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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I never started a thread like this for a reason: I thought it was against ATS rules to motivate Civil unrest, war, or to plant a seed of a revolution.

People are quietly rebelling, at least where i come from. I dont see many American flags flying, and IF i had one, i'd fly it at half mast. Think that would give a message to someone?????
I think it would.

It would take a group of people, hundreds, thousands, a group too large to subdue to make any difference. I cant do anything by myself.

Standing on Main Street with a sandwich board isnt going to cut it- except get me arrested.

I'm not passive. I dont consider myself a danger to anyone, but should citizens arise and hit the streets, I WILL BE THERE. You can count on that.


[edit on 3-7-2007 by dgtempe]



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl
Especially if it were a petition. You can even set up free petitions online. Get bck to me on that one

Yes, this can be done right over at Petitions Online, but IMO, most of the petitions already there don't sound "professional" enough to get heard. Over at We the People Foundation are 8 petitions already up in the Government's face...Really well thought out & expertly written. You might use those as examples for your own original petitions if you decide to use Petitions Online.


Originally posted by wadefrazier3
The solutions to the problems that humanity faces today will not be solved by political action...
...Economics is the dog, politics is the tail, and energy runs the show.

Well, one of the WTP petiotions involves the unconstitutional operation of the Federal Reserve Bank...That's a good start to getting the national economy back on track. As far as political power-mongering goes, enforcing the Constitution on the Halls of Power will go a looooong way. As for the energy, start promoting for using technologies for alternative fuel sources; ethanol, more nuke plants (You realize that the Nuclear Power Regulatory Agency hasn't licensed any new power plants for over 30 years, right?), heavier use of solar/wind/water power, etc. Also address environmental issues & get some pollution controls back on the dirtiest industries!

If nothing else, the petitions you'll see at those two websites should at least generate some ideas for you to discuss with your State & Federal legislators.


Originally posted by dgtempe
I never started a thread like this for a reason: I thought it was against ATS rules to motivate Civil unrest, war, or to plant a seed of a revolution.

Please notice that there is nothing I've posted that requires violence of any kind...The First Amendment represents our best peaceful methods for reforming Government; The Second Amendment provides us with the last resort when peaceful methods fail...I don't believe we need to resort to that yet.

[edit on 3-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 07:38 PM
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Just as an FYI, the WH shut down their "comments" link


Now, who do we talk to??

Oh, i know you're not starting a revolution, i just never had the guts to start such a thread. I'M GLAD YOU DID AND ITS ABOUT TIME!!!!!


Tha time has come to raise up out of our coffins and do something, darn it.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 07:38 PM
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For Pete
's sakes, everything i post is double today.
I must be dealing with my other personalities today.

*leave me alone*


[edit on 3-7-2007 by dgtempe]



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 09:31 PM
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I think the problem is America is of course apathy, but due to what?
New technology and such, it is being used against us. The television brainwashes us to look, talk, walk and think like a certain lifestyle. The internet is just another place where the MySpace generation can rest it's attention.

I wasn't alive back then, but I'm sure that kids as young as 16 and 17 were pretty pissed about the Vietnam war. I think that even they joined the movement back in the late 60's.

Today they're all to involved with themselves and how they're programmed to even give a damn about what's going on around the world. ATS has the correct philosophy, deny ignorance. We must also deny apathy towards the situations.

I know that to the current generations which are growing up, it's all in the history books, it's all in far away lands, but I'm sure that atleast some of them will realise it's already too late when the future unfolds itself. Slowly they'll notice more and more of our rights being taken away, then a draft will hit. No more MySpace, no more MTV, no more Paris Hilton drunk driving stories. They'll be in the desert with no idea what they're fighting for.

Maybe that's (sadly) what's necessary to wake everyone up.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 09:38 PM
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Let me start by answering your direct questions. No I do not think the USA is the only country with governmental problems.

No, I KNOW all UFO sightings are not in America alone.

and No I do not think "Big Brother" lives only in America.

I never said this was an America Only topic, only that I was speaking in terms of America only. I do not live in the U.K. therefor, what the heck would I know about it? If it makes you feel better, feel free to change "U.S." to "U.K." it doesn't change the message. However I am certainly not qualified to speak about politics in the U.K.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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If the reports of a Chinese secret society with 6 million members willing to fight the NWO are indeed true, then i think that is alot for them to think about, because as soon as they even start to put there plans out in the open were the ie "sheep" see this, word gets to China and thus the revolution really begins, 6 million people is a ton of folk, if i were them i would disband there evil plan and organization right now and try to do some good as people to better this world, like i said 6 million is alot of people and all this blood shed and death could be avoided if they just realize this.


Lets face it Europe and the United States always fashioned themselfs the so called good guys if the above mentoned happens it proves this to be incorrect.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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Double post....

[edit on 3-7-2007 by WhatIsWhat]



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 10:48 PM
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Once again people, remove the ideas of violent revolt, or revolution. It is not necessary. The only thing necessary is for one' self to become involved in the Democratic system as part of their daily life. Politics is a career, not a pass-time. You cannot bring changes to your community using only your spare time.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Once again people, remove the ideas of violent revolt, or revolution. It is not necessary. The only thing necessary is for one' self to become involved in the Democratic system as part of their daily life. Politics is a career, not a pass-time. You cannot bring changes to your community using only your spare time.


Being as it is now officially the 4th of July, let me quote someone who might know a little something about the running of a government.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

The man who said this was Thomas Jefferson.

[edit on 3-7-2007 by sir_chancealot]



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Once again people, remove the ideas of violent revolt, or revolution. It is not necessary. The only thing necessary is for one' self to become involved in the Democratic system as part of their daily life. Politics is a career, not a pass-time. You cannot bring changes to your community using only your spare time.

This is part of the problem with the US Government:
#1: They are career politicians, so they can devote the whole of their waking hours to screwing over the People; This is where they have the advantage. However, it must be realized that it was the People (working in their spare time) that flooded Congress with calls & letters to tell them to shoot down the Immigration Amnesty Bill! This shows that "part-time politicians" can make the change. But it takes a lot of them working together...And that's the way it should be, if the Constitutional limits on Government is to be restored.

#2: The US Government should not be practicing a "Democratic system" because the Constitution requires the Government to practice a Republic form of government; Simply by practicing Democracy, the Government, as a whole, is in Breech of Constitutional Oath! The US Founding Forefathers abhorred Democracy for the simple reason that 51% of the People (if properly swayed by media hype) could very literally "vote away" the Rights of the other 49%. So they wrote the 1st Amendment to keep Citizens' Rights intact regardless of any subsequent voting; "Congress shall make no law abridging" (the Rights listed in the Amendment).

#3: The way the Bill of Rights was written, the 1st Amendment provides the peaceful methods for the People to keep their government in line. But they also knew that a corrupted government would not want to relinquish undeserved Powers once they stole them; Therefore, the 2nd Amendment was written to be sure that the People could still enforce the Constitution upon the government when all peaceful methods have no hope of success.

So when you say that violent revolt or revolution is not necessary, I agree...Violent change is not needed yet. There's still a lot of People using the peaceful methods & they are making headway. This is why I don't condone the idea of using violent methods...It would be premature & impatiant to call for violence. The current government has been slowly (but methodically) corrupted over a span of decades & generations...It will take time to dig out that much corruption.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 12:34 AM
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Why is it always assumed that a person on a website hasn't done anything in the past or isn't doing something at present? Anyway, One thing we internet people can all mobilize around is Net Neutrality and we can inform others of it's importance by e-mailing. It might not sound that important, but the internet is informing a lot of people about CT, all the disinfo in the world can't prevent the reasonable deduction that there are events and forces at work that are being suppressed. The internet is a major force, can it be a hindrance? Yes. But the internet has helped destroy several industries, namely music distribution. The Mainstream news is also taking a huge hit.

[edit on 4-7-2007 by Amelie]



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Once again people, remove the ideas of violent revolt, or revolution. It is not necessary. The only thing necessary is for one' self to become involved in the Democratic system as part of their daily life.


I agree with removing the violence, look what Gandhi did without violence.
The system is violence, we should reject their methods and make our own.
But the so called democratic system is an illusion. The vote changes nothing.
It just gives you the illusion you have a choice, but in reality our choices are chosen for us. If we keep fooling ourselves we have power through voting nothing will ever change.

If you want true democracy we have to get rid of government, and start taking control and responsibility for our own and our communities lives. But before that we have to first learn that we can do it, you have to realise your own strength. The idea that we need government is a myth. Governments will always be corrupt because they are run and paid for by the wealthy, and it's the wealthy they work for.
The idea that wealth is good because it trickles down to the rest of us is also a sick myth. There is enough for all of us, without having to make ppl disgustingly wealthy so we can hope for a share of their scraps.
It's also a myth that wealth motivates growth, when in reality it holds us back. Nothing changes unless a profit can be made. For example, we could have developed free clean energy long ago, but free energy won't make someone rich. So we still have to rely on dirty expensive oil. It's this system that has got us into the mess we are wanting to change. We have to change the system, and to change the system we have to first change our selves. Centuries of conditioning have to be wiped away, but first you have to realise and admit that you have been conditioned. You are living the concept of some else's ideas, learn to live by your own.

The system is a perversion of our history and nature. Systems kill. Kill the system.


We must learn to overcome our fears. We must realise that the strength that they have is the strength that we give them.
It is you, the passive observer who has given them this power. You are being used and abused and will be discarded as soon as they've bled what they want from you. You must learn to live with your own conscience, your own morality, your own decision, your own self.
You alone can do it. There is no authority but yourself... Crass



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 06:41 AM
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The Constitution promises the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It does not promise happiness, but if you want it, you have to pursue it. It doesn't say it will be easy. These rights are unalienable, which means government can't take them away from you. They are rights given to every human by their creator, and this does not just apply only to U.S. citizens. It applies to everyone, or it means nothing (cap't Kirk said that once, lol
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This is pretty cool, even if your not a Trek fan, hehehe!
Captain Kirk Preamble

Jefferson understood this. When government infringes upon these inalienable rights then it becomes the obligation of the citizenry to have that revolution to re-secure those rights, lest they lose them forever for future generations, for our founding fathers did not leave us a Constitution so we could take it for granted. They left us a Constitution with the full knowledge that we would probably have to fight to keep it, hence why they also left us with the tools necessary to do so.

Revolution does not necessarily imply violence. When the constitutionally limited republican process (note: democracy or democratic is not in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or the Declaration of Independence) is corrupted by the political elite as it is now, then it becomes the responsibility and the obligation of the citizenry to do something about it.


The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.


But it has been suspended as of Oct. 13th 2006 in the Military Commissions Act. This liberty is one that most western civilizations have enjoyed since the Magna Carta in the 11th century, and it's loss is unacceptable. We should 1st resort to the constitutionally limited republican process.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Our current government has become destructive to these ends.


Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


This is the absolute last resort. I do not advocate its use at this time, but our founding fathers left it to us to help us ensure that we continue to have a constitutional republic "of, by, and for We the People", not a corporatocracy or international socialist corporatism (globalism) "of, by, and for the corporations".

Who is the militia? Every man 18 to 44 (Militia Act), and thanks to the 19th Amendment, that includes women too.

In closing, If you look at my 1st post in this thread, I don't think we are this stage yet. There are peaceful forms of civil disobedience like Henry David Thoreau, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King used that are still available to us at this time. With that said though, if they attempt to make the North American Union our new country, or suspend the Constitution, or abolish it for a new NAU one, then I am am prepared to "protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic" if the need arises.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 06:51 AM
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Fascinating how there is still more talking. =) That's what your suppose to do. Collaborating means to improve the New World Order disinfo agency and expose yourselves even more, than ever. I've been there and it's such a mind game.

/7A



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 07:14 AM
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I had a couple other thoughts.

As a nation we need to get over this "making the world safe for democracy" crap that Woodrow Wilson started. Wilson sucked, and he knew he blew it bad. Since his screw up when he signed into law the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, the growth of government has skyrocketed. Before 1913 the growth of government was flat. 6 years later he said:


I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress [coercion] of a small group of dominant men.


Isn't it funny that the 1st neo-con in our nations history was a Democrat? Now it's the Republicans that are "making the world safe for democracy", a phrase coined by Wilson. This is bad foreign policy, it is getting us into trouble, and bankrupting our nation bad. Here's another Wilson Quote:


If there are men in this country big enough to own the government of the United States, they are going to own it.


I would like to post a portion of this recent writing by Ron Paul called "Recapturing the Spirit of Independence", written July 2, 2007.



I believe there is no way to square our nation’s traditions and reverence for independence with the globalist policies these elites are currently pursuing. The American concept of independent nationhood inscribed in our Declaration cannot be maintained if we are going to pursue a policy that undermines the independence of other nations. National independence is an idea, and the erosion of the independence of other nations only serves to erode that idea.

At the same time, if we allow the erosion of that idea, by ignoring it in certain instances, we will be contributing to its erosion in all times and nations, even our own. In this way our nation’s independence is linked with the independence of all nations. The sooner we realize this truth, and enact a foreign policy that is consistent with it, the sooner we will be able to recapture the spirit of independence.

In addition, as our founding fathers understood, the idea of national independence is inseparable from that of constitutional republicanism. Only the safe-guards and limitations that are enshrined in a constitutionally-limited republic can prohibit a nation from lurching toward empire. Recognizing these same protections is also the very best way to eliminate the need for civil wars and the violence of civil strife.


It's a good article, especially considering it's the 4th of July and all. Have a happy and safe 4th all



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