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posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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I see you are still pushing your pseudo christian newage neo religious spirituality book. I just cannot believe that people fall for such hyperbole. Take responsibility for your own planet your own people of earth your own enlightenment and do not expect to find it outside yourself. Sucking off the energy of Alien/dimensional beings to write a book and feed your ego will not help anyone or yourself. Your information is limited and to engage in reconstructing the language of the higher light beings only makes the information fragmented at best. It gets tangled up in the views of your forefathers. But on the other hand if you are aware of this, then I hope you make alot of money on your book. Maybe the next one can be scifi fantasy.




posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by thebox

You can always tell a Brit!


In this case I agree with you Weapon X, this thread is full of shameless book-plugging. I'm giving him ***** for effort though.


Don't disregard all of us skeptical yanks out here too, Box.

I believe in some of the O.P.'s spiritual concepts considering that they can be gleaned from various sources and I actually do believe in the fact that we all have guides in some fashion. I've also learned that when hearing certain buzz words to look for the "sale" item. Just like the $85 "Fire-the Grid" magnets...it usually comes down to good ole' greenbacks.

If we are all capable of spiritual enlightenment, and we all have guides then it will be done on an individual basis. Nothing bought can accelerate such a complicated process. I doubt our guides are sitting around quietly waiting for us to buy the next new age self-help book, so they will magically appear and begin teaching us. If we are meant to spiritually evolve (assuming most haven't) then what are our guides waiting for to push us along?

Oh wait I know...they wait for the next gimmicky hustler to come along and take advantage of those hopeful people out there that want to make a positive spiritual change in the world but lack the means to find a way to focus that desire. It's THAT hope that all the "alien/spirit guide enlightenment" peddlers prey on. Beings as powerful as you describe do not need a single person to spread a universal message intended for us all.

This is because our paths are individual and unique.

If you have authentically been in contact with a giant Aryan man from a race of Nordics here to save us all (good grief...no ascended beings of color in the universe I guess) then from what I've read so far your guides have created a rosy picture of the universe and our place in it that is bogus.

There are plenty of "powerful beings" out there that do not have our best interests at heart. We are viewed by some as property/resource and we are continuously and historically manipulated, restarted, and then manipulated all over again. We are sold a religious hoax that keeps us symbolically honoring groups we don't even realize and consequently puts us at each others throats since those groups oppose each other too. It's basically a mess.

If Gabriel and Yeshua (cute) haven't explained any of this to you then maybe THEY are trying to sell YOU something, Doc.

This is sad.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 12:38 PM
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Leeanoma, I will not bother to try and use quotes on your previous remarks, but
to you and your post. I agree with what you said and how to phrase it so constructively. I am not out to hurt this writer but to shake up some much needed grounded reminders. You are right on.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by antar
I am not out to hurt this writer but to shake up some much needed grounded reminders.


I hope I didn't hurt the writer either, that was not my intention. I just know that there are many looking for guidance out there and instead of taking the time to find it in themselves, they look for a "microwave-safe" version.

I feel sympathy for those that invest so much in flavor-of-the-month notions only to have their hopes inevitably dashed to pieces.

I also don't want to hurt anyones feelings that truly believe they have had a positive encounter they wish to share it's just that it always comes with a price-tag.

Spiritual enlightenment should be free, and if one does find it I personally believe that they will eventually realize that there is nothing that can be done about the current state of the world or it's inhabitants. These dark times have to play out the way they always have, as do our own individual paths where ever they may lead.

It's not pretty but it is what it is.



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Dr X


Out of curiosity, why do you think reincarnation is a primitive belief?
And, what makes a primitive belief inherently wrong?


@spiritconnect

Well human society has true beliefs and false beliefs. It is important to throw out the false ones if we are truly to know ourselves. The purpose of life is to reproduce and pass our genetic code to our children. There is no purpose in survival after death. Therefore it seems pointless for a being to live on after death. The human mind comes from the brain. When the brain dies then so does the mind. After all consciousness due to the workings of the brain which is just a giant neural network. Once this is destroyed then the mind is destroyed too. There is no way the mind could survive death. And even if it could what would be the purpose of living on?

Nature is simple we are born - we reproduce we die. Thats all. WHy delude ourselves that we are reborn have an afterlife? Its just wishfull thinking to escape the fear of death.

I don't want to offend your beliefs I just think that this is the truth.


Dear Dr. X,

I respect your belief, though I certainly disagree with it as it is rooted in materialism. As I am sure you know, I come from the opposite side of the debate. I am a complete spiritualist. I believe all matter is really an illusion, and that there is only Spirit at the basic level of existence.

I believe the soul is needed, in many lifetimes, for the "individual" spirit to reunite eventually with the Supreme Spirit from which we are manifested.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

[edit on 16-7-2007 by spiritconnect]



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by catlantis


Catlantis (assuming he/she is not part of the spamming exercise) has no doubt read the 'method' by now so we can await a report of his/her experiene in communing with extraterrestrials.


I have not got that far yet. I will outline it when I get there.
(Sorry, got married this weekend... well, not sorry
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Congratulations, Catlantis! Take your time, and enjoy being newly married. ATS can wait^^

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by HaTaX
Congrats catlantis! My wedding is this saturday, so I bet you're glad it's all done with.

As far as spiritconnect's disposition towards his abusers, no matter what path taken, I think we can all agree that the best end result is not holding on to the anger and to push for forgiveness. I mean, really, what good does it do yourself to continue to be angry towards someone? Not much really, and you're the only one with the ability to let it go. I agree with the philosophy with forgiving all tresspasses upon you and to return a smile, granted sometimes are much easier then others, but I think this is the general goal that people KNOW deep inside their heart is the correct response.

I can see where that may be a strange thing to see looking in, but really it doesn't matter what spiritconnect's beliefs are, if it was another belief that was encouraging him to forgive and forget, then that would seem quite strange as well.

Spiritconnect, I tried the MP3 file you had a while ago and I didn't have much success with it, although the environment wasn't ideal and I have been busy putting a wedding together as well...


Dear Hatax,

I also wish you well during your wedding preparations and after.

After posting that mp3, I have discovered the method works better if you record your own voice using the script. That is how I have changed the process in Appendix B of the book. Yet, I decided to leave the mp3 on the site for those who do not wish to buy the book.

Next time you try it, please be sure you are in a dark, quiet place. Try your best to prevent any disturbance, and have very soft instrumental music in the background.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua



posted on Jul, 16 2007 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by thebox

You can always tell a Brit!


In this case I agree with you Weapon X, this thread is full of shameless book-plugging. I'm giving him ***** for effort though.


Don't disregard all of us skeptical yanks out here too, Box.

I believe in some of the O.P.'s spiritual concepts considering that they can be gleaned from various sources and I actually do believe in the fact that we all have guides in some fashion. I've also learned that when hearing certain buzz words to look for the "sale" item. Just like the $85 "Fire-the Grid" magnets...it usually comes down to good ole' greenbacks.

If we are all capable of spiritual enlightenment, and we all have guides then it will be done on an individual basis. Nothing bought can accelerate such a complicated process. I doubt our guides are sitting around quietly waiting for us to buy the next new age self-help book, so they will magically appear and begin teaching us. If we are meant to spiritually evolve (assuming most haven't) then what are our guides waiting for to push us along?

Oh wait I know...they wait for the next gimmicky hustler to come along and take advantage of those hopeful people out there that want to make a positive spiritual change in the world but lack the means to find a way to focus that desire. It's THAT hope that all the "alien/spirit guide enlightenment" peddlers prey on. Beings as powerful as you describe do not need a single person to spread a universal message intended for us all.

This is because our paths are individual and unique.

If you have authentically been in contact with a giant Aryan man from a race of Nordics here to save us all (good grief...no ascended beings of color in the universe I guess) then from what I've read so far your guides have created a rosy picture of the universe and our place in it that is bogus.

There are plenty of "powerful beings" out there that do not have our best interests at heart. We are viewed by some as property/resource and we are continuously and historically manipulated, restarted, and then manipulated all over again. We are sold a religious hoax that keeps us symbolically honoring groups we don't even realize and consequently puts us at each others throats since those groups oppose each other too. It's basically a mess.

If Gabriel and Yeshua (cute) haven't explained any of this to you then maybe THEY are trying to sell YOU something, Doc.

This is sad.


Anyone who takes the time to read through the posts on this thread (not even my book), will realize two things: Gabriel is Nordic, yes. But Yeshua is a gray-type ET. There's your ET of color~; I am clear that there are balanced and imbalanced - what most people would call good and bad - ETs in the multiverse, some working for our good, some for our "not-so-good."

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 12:01 AM
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New method. I am going to present my notes I make as I read with couple simple questions along the way, thought out at the time of my reading.

Chapter 15
“Preparing to meet your guide”

Proposes the following metaphysical laws:

Law of Desire
Law of harmonious attraction
Law of expectation
Law of relaxation
Law of visualization
Law of substitution
Law of repetition
Law of self concept

(vaguely reminds me of the law of attraction stuff found at www.abraham-hicks.com)

Law of desire:
what you desire you end up getting
Most people do not know what they desire
Most desires buried deep in the subconscious mind
The key is to truly want a desired outcome.

Q: If we have some unknown desire, how do we break through to the subsconscious so that we really know what we want? Can we just force the conscious desire and impose it to such an extent over an underlying desire the subconscious may have that is in opposition to the conscious one?
Q: Wanting, to me implies that feeling of not having… “I am left wanting for this.. or that”. Given the law of desire listed here, then if you “want” something does the universe in turn just give you that empty wanting feeling?

Law of Harmonious Attraction
Similar to Like attracts like
Everything of the psychic plane eventually manifests on the physical
Thoughts are psychic entities waiting for physical manifestation.

Q: Where do dream reside? Are you saying that all things manifesting in dream or thoughts will by law manifest in the physical? How is that possible.
Q: How does “like attracts like” work in the universe when we can demonstrate the law of “opposites attract” in the physical?
Q: This one seems more like a law in definition… an action that is occurs without thought.. a property of the universe, where the previous law seems more like a preference. Why are you calling all of these laws?
Q: If thoughts are real “things” then is changing your mind about something damaging that “thing”? If I think about a sentient race, out there in the “thought” plane (this is what you are calling the psychic plane?) And then think about their destruction… have I just really committed genocide?

Law of expectation:
In religious terms it is called “faith”; (Notes the religious definition of faith is not entirely correct
Most of us operation in “Seeing is believing”; a better approach is believing is seeing
“One will see only what they truly believes”

Q: In many traditions, this is called Thanksgiving. Knowing that before you ask it is granted, is this the same thing you are talking about?
Q: I really do not like the connotation I have of believing… to me it implies blindly following somebody else’s static ideas. It seems such a waste to do that if we were truly given freewill… to choose what some other person or establishment puts out. Is this what you are talking about?
Q: There is a funny saying “if all you have is a hammer, then all your problems look like nails”. You can force yourself to the point of delusion with a belief system if you push it far enough. How can you be sure you are not doing this?
Q: In the movie Dogma, there is reference to the dangers of beliefs; saying they become so big and unchangeable that that they become dangerous. They offer to have “ideas” instead of beliefs. What do you think about that?

The Law of relaxation:
This is an extension of the “law of harmonious attraction”
This is the law of opposite effect
It is the practice of relaxing more to gain more
Hypno-mediation is a method to get there

Q: Can you elaborate more on this? You mention it is more than doing nothing. What is the spiritual work you mention in order to initiate the process?



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[edit on 17-7-2007 by catlantis]



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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Law of Visualization
“In order to gain the desired physical or psychical result, a visual image must be achieved of your ascended soul guide

Q: Given that you are the one visualizing your guide, is it the case that your guide is appearing in the form and name you wish or visualize him to appear in?
Q: The descriptions of each of these laws are getting much shorter as we go down the list, at least until this point. Why is this?
Q: it sounds like what you are describing is the hypnogogic/hynopomic state. What do you do with the various visual/auditory/tactile sensations that pop in and out of existence… and are they real too? in the thought plane and then in the physical?

Law of Substitution:
During hypnotic state the mind can go into a negative state
Sometime areas of thinking need reversing and you can re-program that
Erasure and substitutions can occur two basic ways: through meditation or hypnosis.

Q: In these substitutions/erasures of a negative state, how do you do this? Is there somebody else “needed” or can this be done by you? If it is self-hypnosis, how can you predict before hand any negative thought that comes up and then respond appropriately to it?
Q: Can you go into further detail on this one? The 2 paragraphs listed in the book are sort of like saying “the law of substitution is like the law of substitution”

Law of repetition:
Creating a habit
21-30 days to create a habit
By means of hypnosis and mediation only needs to have the seed of the idea programmed once for affectivity
Perform mantras (15-20 times a day for each mantra)


Q: What is the mechanism for the conscious mind programming the subconscious?
Q: What is the mechanism for the conscious mind to know what is programmed in the subconscious?
Q: Are you describing creating a meme? This has bad connotation, but the rule for mind washing/mind control, is to keep an idea simple and repeat it over and over again. This is one of the reasons TV is so effective at it... viewer gets into an alpha state by watching and then gets all sort of simple messages blasted at her over and over and over again.


Law of Self Concept:
“The philosophy of the Fellowship of Yeshua is that each individual is a very real part of the Universal Spirit, and that the individual is a naturally good and whole”
Sin is result of negative thought energy (becomes physical?)
Two concepts of self: Self-esteem and self-empowerment
Esteem: rooted in truth that everyone is a part of Universal Spirit
Empowerment: empowered by the spirit to claim mental and physical health
Guide does *not* simply exist in your imagination

Q: Since Yeshua is Christ, as you write, what is the purpose of the passion story, then? If sin is the result of negative thought manifest in the physical? How is then, sin forgiven, or a bounty paid by this sacrifice? Is Christ like a janitor cleaning up the physical mess of man?



[edit on 17-7-2007 by catlantis]

[edit on 17-7-2007 by catlantis]



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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A meditation:
1.) Purple candle (why purple?)
2.) dark room. Quiet and relaxing
3.) candle close to your face about 1 ft
4.) Stare. No blinking. Let everything go, soon the flame will consume your mind
5.) When all is flame close eyes and think “relax”
6.) Visualize the flame with your eyes closes
7.) see the flame surrounding your body in white light
8.) Say a mantra or affirmation “I am prepared to meet my guide”
9.) Open your eyes watch the flame for a couple minutes thinking about your mantra and blow out the flame
10.) give thanks

Q: Is this the scrying you were talking about?
Q: A lot of methods I have read about come to mind here. The Robert Monroe concept of REBAL (Resonant energy balloon) has the meditator imagine her breath coming up from her feet and out her head and then cascading and enveloping her body in a similar way… sort of like what the Van Allen belt drawing of the earth look like. Did your source teach you this, or is it a composite of past experiences you have found to have worked?
Q: if this is from your source, how is the information relayed to you? How do you record it? How do you remember it?

Notes on candle meditation:
Power of candle meditation is manipulation of energy.
We have free rights and ownership to the energy source
Universal Mind = Christ-Consciousness=Buddha-Consciousness=pure Energy
“Energy is also uniquely personal of necessity” --??
“It is not possible for the Energy which is the whole of the multiverse and of which we are all a part to be anything other than personal”
Q: huh? Please explain this in detail.
The candle represents the Energy of the multi-verse
The universal energy will permeate our subconscious with the thoughts we are thinking as we do the meditation
Our physical reality will be affected
Suggested pre-requisites for the meditation (the standard ones)
Comfortable clothing, use the bathroom before, no eating or drinking an hour before you go in the pool, choose a quiet, comfortable and relaxing setting.

Next Chapter: 16: Rite of the Fellowship



posted on Jul, 17 2007 @ 08:46 PM
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Dear Catlantis,

(1) Knowing what we truly desire is sometimes difficult, and it is not always what we consciously desire. There are two ways to find out what our true desires are: via hypnosis (from a hypnotist or hypnotherapist), and by practicing deep meditation - getting into our inner core. The second option is not easy and requires practice.

(2) The Universe gives according to our desires without prejudice. It does not withhold the "bad" and only give "good" or vice versa. It will dish out whatever we focus on.

(3) Every desire will manifest in some way, though the time and way it manifests may not be what we consciously expect. There is a difference between desire and fleeting thoughts.

(4) Opposites attract in the magnetic field and sometimes in human relationships. However, on a spiritual level, like always attracts like, whether the like is positive or negative.

(5) They are laws because they are the way the Universe works.

(6) You have to understand that the law of attraction and desire also work on a collective level. We also have to recognize the differences between individual thoughts, individual desires, and collective thoughts and desires. All of these are working at the same time. Only our focused desires will bring about results on the physical level, and much more if we focus those same desires within a group with like focus. Hence, the beauty of collective meditation.

(7) Nothing is personally granted before we "ask" or desire. This does not mean our realities are stagnant, because our subconscious desires and the collective desires of humanity are still affecting reality.

(8) I do not like the word faith as it is traditionally used. Rather, I believe faith should mean understanding in the context of experience.

(9) If we make our own realities (which we do) then there really is no such thing as delusion - only differing realities.

(10) Beliefs should never substitute for the Truth. Truth is foundationally indescribable and undefinable.

(11) The law of relaxation follows the laws of attraction and expectation. Only after we attract and expect, can we relax and watch reality manifest.

(12) At first, our guide(s) may appear as we want them to appear. After time, they will appear as they are.

(13) There are two ways to erase negative mental states: mantras and hypnosis.

(14) Mantras, hypnosis, and meditation can be used for reprogramming the brain and consciousness. Hypnosis is best used to understand the subconscious desires we have (utilizing an outside hypnotherapist is best), and meditation helps us to bring our consciousness in line with Truth.

(15) Sin can become physical. Sin begins as negative thought energies, and history is filled with examples of such thoughts becoming reality.

(16) Jesus was crucified not as a sacrifice, but as an example of the spiritual nature of the body.

(17) Purple represents all rites spiritual. That is why we use a purple candle.

(18) When I commune with Yeshua and Gabriel, all messages are telepathic in nature. I get images and feelings. It is never verbal. I then record those images and feelings into words.

(19) When I say that Energy is necessarily personal, I mean this: everything is Energy, so there is no possible way Energy could be separate from any part of creation. Because Energy is Creation, it is inherently personal. It can be no other way.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

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posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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Chapter 16: Rites

Human Trinity: (Body, consciousness, spirit)
Spiritual exercises and rites will help prepare meeting your guide
Attune energy frequencies to the higher level
Guides exist in higher energy frequencies
Physical existence hinders the ability to meet guide is rites not followed

Q: What is holding back the guides from manifesting in the physical? Do we need to go to them? Could they meet us in the physical and there help up to the higher vibrations?
Q: You mention your first meeting was physical, certainly at your age it was not your intention for this meeting?
Q: How did your meeting progress?
Q: How did these events affect you in relationship to your upbringing and society?

Guides bestow on us gift of energy healing
Chakra Activation Mediation and Qi Awakening Exercise help to build up energy

Ascended soul guides showed Dr. Usui Mikao the Reiki healing method in the 20th century. (Instructions for Reiki not given here)
Guides suggest receiving Reiki healing method
Guide will possess you (in some cases) to help with healing work
Guides work on astral bodies while we are sleeping

Chakra Activation Rite:
Daily
Chakras are centers of energy in the body
Health in astral body depends on flow and balance of energy through the chakras
There are 7 chakra points, but only 6 are focused on
Crown Chakra related to consciousness controls the other chakras.
Third eye chakra related to enlightenment
Heart chakra: compassion and feeling of well being
Solar plexus chakra: changing emotions into higher states and increasing body energy
Sacral chakra: creativity and sexuality
Root chakra: cultivation of human potential
Above are the 6 chakras the book concentrates on

Q: Why not throat chakra?
Q: Was this information given you directly or compiled from overview of the many practices which deal with these energy centers?
Q: I found a video of you on youtube. You mention some courses or something your institution gives out for free, is this the stuff covered in this book?
www.youtube.com...

1. Stand in comfortable position. Spine as straight as possible.
2. Breathe rhythmically. Breathe in through your nose 4 seconds, wait 2 seconds, breathe out for 4 seconds. Focus on your breathing.
3. Continue breathing rhythmically and visualize the universal energy filling you with each inhale. Colorize the energy as golden light. With each exhale visualize the energy flowing out your hands. Do for 5 minutes
4. Now energize the chakra centers.

Inhale: visualize intake of universal energy as pure light and store it in crown chakra.
Stream down the energy
3 repeats of breathing for each node


Next: Spirit meditation rite



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 02:05 PM
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Great thread OP.

Nice, what you tell here is in fact true and it fits with what I know.

We all have a guide or more then just one who is watching, usually there are 2. One is always more evolved.

I find it strange that you call them extraterrestrials, since they don't like this tag we put on them, and as I see it they are far more than just extra-terrestrials.

Now I just want to add some words about this:



I will use a personal story to finish off this post: I was sexually abused three times when I was a child by three different men (not in my immediate family). For the longest time, and mostly throughout my teen years, I was bitter about the abuse, and I literally hated the abusers. After meeting Gabriel, however, I have come to the realization (most people do not understand this at all) that my own soul chose the abuse before I was incarnated in order to teach me the real meaning of forgiveness and the purpose of pain.

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First let me say, that this is the single most disgusting thing i've read in a very long time. Abused people CHOSE to be abused to get teached ?! You crossed a line here, a very thick one.Unfortunately i care about my account here, otherwise i would let my girl, who happens to work with abused kids, do the posting on this.


His answer is obvious uneducated and based on pure insitinct and reaction to bad things. It would be too hard for a big Ego person to accept that his own soul chose to be abused. Accepting that will need time and effort. But once you understand the purpose, hehe, there's a new world for you.

Another story I heard was about a little girl who had an accident when she was young which resulted in her inability to walk. Her soul chose this. Why? So she can develop mentaly more. You can't walk? What will you do? You will read many books, write books, develop intelectualy. Exactly what the soul wanted.

A body without a soul would be dead, if it worked it would act only on instinct. Hungry=find food. And that is all. The rest, such as personality, feelings, etc. are your soul in action.


The body is just a tool, a manifestation to experience life. You might know an apple is red, but you don't really know how it looks until you go to an apple tree and see it.

The ultimate proof that the body is just a tool is the fact that it dies. If we just die and that is the ultimate end, then you all lived in vain. But, no, you don't really die, only your body dies. This way everything has a purpose.



I'm sure that highly intelligent beings do not believe in reincarnation. It is a primitive belief system along with religion.


For me what is primitive is more likely to be true than wrong. And you are wrong.

Now I would like to ask some questions to the OP:

1. Can you share some more light on the year 2012 and that Universal Council for Spiritual Awakening you talked about.

2. You say there is a Father and a Mother. I would like to know if they are the end or just another level. I mean are they the masters of the whole world and I mean all the Universes and all there is? When I say level I mean that once you reach them, they will tell you they too have a Father and a Mother=> no end, infinity.

3. From what I know each soul has both sexes. A soul becomes one only when his feminine and masculine side unite. This is why there is a Father and a Mother, together they form One perfect unity. This is why here on Earth we all seek for that "special someone". Is this true?

4. I heard that each Universe has a God or master who is the creator of his Universe. Is this true? He the God of this Universe is the child of Mother + Father?


5. What is the end purpose of each of us? Unite with the One? Once that happens? What next? Is there an end since everythig is One and in the Now time?

6. What does Lucifer gain from doing what he does? He seeks to abolish knowledge and light, why?

Cheers, Pericle



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 06:47 PM
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Dear Catlantis,

(1) Sometimes our guides do choose to manifest physically, but only in cases in which they deem a physical appearance necessary for some reason. Physical bodies limit some of their capabilities; therefore, they choose to remain as spiritually manifested as possible.

(2) I believe my first meetings were physical in order to make the event more real in my memory. How many dreams do we remeber as children? Or even as adults? As a child, Yeshua and Gabriel appeared physically to burn the meeting in my memory. Even though I sometimes till desire a physical meeting with them, they are now able to communicate with me without physically manifesting.

(3) Because I sensed their deep love and compassion for me, I felt at peace with them while I was young. As I got older, it was a bit difficult to keep it secret, which I did for fear of people's reactions.

(4) The chakra meditation was given to me by Yeshua in mental images. For some reason he has not explained, the throat chakra need not be activated in that particular meditation.

(5) The free course I now offer (I'm not sure if this is the one you are talking about) is the Fellowship Guide Course - for those who, after reading the book, wish to become regional guides in The Fellowship of Yeshua.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 07:49 PM
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Dear Pericle,

Thank you so much for your post. I will try to answer your questions in the order you asked.

(1) Yeshua has not shared the new initiative for 2012 with me completely, but there are a few things I can tell you. In December of 2012, the Council will pass a new initiative called "The Initiative of Present Reunion." The current initiative is "The Initiative of Grace." From December 2012, those who are in conscious communion with their ascended ET guide will be able to enter directly into enlightenment, and will be able to bypass future incarnations. In this present incarnation, their soul will have achieved perfect conscious reunion with Spirit, and upon their physical death, they will immediately merge with the Spirit. I am currently in the process of meditating with Yeshua and fleshing out in human language the specifics of "The Initiative of Present Reunion." There is a single meditation rite that will allow us to enter into the state of perfection and oneness with Spirit, and will prevent Lucifer and his workers from interferring with our spirits.

(2) Father and Mother are the most spiritually evolved ET beings in the entire multiverse. Nowhere else are there beings more spiritually awakened. In that sense, they are the culmination of spiritual awakening at the point before Spirit. After "The Initiative of Present Reunion," Father, Mother and all other beings in relationship with their ascended ET guide will merge with Spirit.

(3) You are certainly correct: each soul has a feminine and masculine aspect.

(4) Each universe has a Protector, but not a Master. Of course, the Spirit encompasses All. The Father and Mother are the Rulers (beneficent of course) of the entire multiverse. They have appointed Protectors for each universe, and Yeshua is the Protector of our universe.

(5) The end purpose of each soul is reunion with the Great Spirit, and eventual entry into the Void. Even the Spirit will enter the Void when all has been drawn back into It. The Void is not the end of consciousness, but it is the end of existence in this creation period. Eventually, the Void will manifest again, creating another multiverse, and the cycle continues infinitely.

(6) Let me preface this answer concerning Lucifer with a statement about traditional monotheistic religions: each of the three monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) have been used directly by Lucifer to psychologically control the masses with ideas of guilt, sin, heaven & hell, etc. The original character of the snake in the Garden of Eden was Yeshua, who offered spiritual understanding and enlightenment to Adam and Eve, representative of the first humans who were virtual slaves to Lucifer and his fellow workers. Lucifer manipulated the writers of the OT to replace Yeshua's name with his own, so he could be viewed as the offerer of wisdom. You may think now that Christians worship Jesus (i.e. Yeshua) that they are not in league (albeit unconsciously) with Lucifer. However, the modern Christian understanding of Jesus is that he is the son of Yahweh, who is and was a negative ET entity working for Lucifer. So the actual idea of the Christian Jesus is completely opposite the true nature of Yeshua, who came not to fulfill Judaism, but to completely break from it.

Humans were gentically engineered by Yeshua and ET geneticists affiliated with his mission from a species of ape. They were orginally created as spiritually free beings. Through psychological and religious manipulation, however, Lucifer soon gained a large enough following so as to be able to control the human species as a slave force. The ongoing psychological battle between Lucifer and Yeshua has been taking place ever since.

Lucifer does what he does for control, and nothing else. His ego mind controls him.

I look forward to more of your questions.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

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posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 09:39 PM
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Point 6 from above.

It is a bit confusing. Given this info, who is telling Genesis? Who is the "us" referenced there? Why is the serpent then acursed?

Can you give a history here as you see it?

Who are the players? YHWH, Jehova, Elohim, Satan, Lucifer, et al.

Have you read the Urantia stuff? Some of it sounds a bit similar (but I have not read that much of it)

Thanks,
cat



posted on Jul, 19 2007 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by catlantis
Point 6 from above.

It is a bit confusing. Given this info, who is telling Genesis? Who is the "us" referenced there? Why is the serpent then acursed?

Can you give a history here as you see it?

Who are the players? YHWH, Jehova, Elohim, Satan, Lucifer, et al.

Have you read the Urantia stuff? Some of it sounds a bit similar (but I have not read that much of it)

Thanks,
cat



Dear Catlantis,

I have never read much of the Urantia Book - only parts. I will do my best to give a short overview of the opening of the Genesis story as it has been relayed by Yeshua.

The Book of Genesis, as we have it in biblical form today, is written from a variety of viewpoints, some neutral, some Yeshuan, and some Luciferian (mostly Luciferian). It is nearly impossible to extract truth from the story in its modern form because those under Lucifer's control have made the elements and characters of the story so confusing. So the text as we have it is basically useless for discovering the truth - we can only see snippets of truth within it.

From the biblical standpoint, the elohim created the earth and the creatures therein. This is only true in part. The process of evolution, directed by Spirit, brought about the earth and all creatures except humans. The elohim created humans from an ape species. Who are the elohim?

The elohim (the "us") are basically a congress of ET beings. They were originally united in creating humans as spiritually free creatures. Lucifer and Yeshua are part of the elohim. After the creation of humans, Lucifer and those who agreed with him thought the humans would be better used if they were controlled, both spiritually and physically. Lucifer broke away from the elohim union, and there has been a battle between Luciferian and Yeshuan forces ever since.

In the biblical story, the serpent (actually Yeshua - though not a true reptialian) was cursed because he was struggling against the majority of elohim who wanted to control humans as spiritual and physical slaves. Yeshuan forces, though powerful, have always been in the minority - though that is soon to change. Yeshua is represented in the story as a serpent in order to vilify the idea of spiritual freedom. Very few modern people actually realize the serpent is a symbol of spiritual freedom and truth. Humans have been religiously and psychologically controlled to the point where they envision the serpent as something fearful. In the present, organizational security is more important to many people rather than spiritual freedom and consciousness.

The entire biblical story has been so muddied that most people who believe they are following Jesus are really following Lucifer. That such a reality exists is evidence of the power of Lucifer and his human and ET disciples.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

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posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 08:12 AM
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Dear Posters,

I know there has been a push for me to present some kind of evidence of my claims. This has not bothered me, but I have been asking for a physical appearance during my meditations each morning. This morning, on the drive to work, I witnessed the following object in a rice field adjacent to my car. I do not usually travel with a camera, so I took the picture on my cellphone.


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Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

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posted on Jul, 20 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Anyone else think that catlantis and spiritconnect are pugging this book together, or are in fact the same person?

They also both registered within a couple of days of each other as well.





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