Originally posted by Dusty
I live in Ohio and they seem close to passing this law to be able to carry concealed weapons. Why? I know there are probably alot of gun freaks around here, but what purpose does a gun actually serve other than to kill? The right to bear arms, has to be on of the dumbest things in the world. I see no point in guns, just for a second, imagine a world with no guns.

I hope this guy was not born in america....



[Edited on 9-1-2004 by McGotti]

I am aware that every male Swiss citizen is required to keep their government-issued automatic battle rifle (which happens to be a SIG 550) within their homes.

Thats the coolest thing i have ever heard...Im starting to wish I was swiss...what are the immigration laws like there??

Originally posted by Dusty
Ok maybe I ment this post to be more about humanity than actual weapons. I guess I would just like to see a peaceful world. But this will never happen if we keep ourselfs armed and dangerous.
Also I would much rather everyone carry swords, at least if a violent situtation would arise I would have a far chance........ahhh medevil times.
One reason we have criminals is becuse of weapons, are they gonna rob a bank with their bare hands, NO. Weapons make crime easy.

Weapons cause us to have criminals? Yup, you're right. There was no crime in the world until some idiot invented the firearm. That is why there was never any laws until the firearm. There were no tyrants, either, until the firearm. The world was utter bliss and harmony until that darned fool invented the firearm.
If everybody would just throw their firearm in the ocean, the world would be a perfect place!

*Do people not think things through before they put fingers to the keyboard?*

Also I would much rather everyone carry swords, at least if a violent situtation would arise I would have a far chance

If we only had swords and no guns, people like you would want to ban swords and continue saying things like "could you just imagine a world without swords?"

have you ever been stabbed by a 3 foot piece of steel??? not really all that much better than being shot...

Originally posted by Dusty
I live in Ohio and they seem close to passing this law to be able to carry concealed weapons. Why? I know there are probably alot of gun freaks around here, but what purpose does a gun actually serve other than to kill? The right to bear arms, has to be on of the dumbest things in the world. I see no point in guns, just for a second, imagine a world with no guns.

A world without guns would be great!!! But lets come back to reality...If the population can't defend them selves, what is to keep the GOVT from throwing out the CONSTITUTION and installing a martial law(for lack of better term.) The right of people to bear arms is the only thing keeping this country "For the people, By the People" If we are unarmed, then the GOVT or anyone else with arms, will be able to control everything. Everything in AMERICA is not perfect....but it's better than anywhere else...If not then why do we have such a problem with ILLEGAL IMMAGRANTS?!?! I'd rather take my chances with an armed populace, than have those in power tell me what I can't and can not do.

Originally posted by Milk
Look at the violent crime ratios (per capita) as apposed to other states with more strict gun laws. People dont break into a house and rape a woman if they know they could get shot doing it.

Show me proof that theres no rape in states with lax gun control.
Thats just wrong, a rapist is far more likely to use a gun himself making it harder for a woman to get away.

Originally posted by Pyros
A gun is a tool that can be used with dealy cosequences, as is a hammer, a bow, a knife, a screwdriver, or a bowling ball.

But its very hard to walk into a school and kill 30 people with a knife or bowling ball, isnt it?
Children generally dont kill each other accidently with any of those things mentioned either.

Originally posted by CSRules
A world without guns would be great!!! But lets come back to reality...If the population can't defend them selves, what is to keep the GOVT from throwing out the CONSTITUTION and installing a martial law(for lack of better term.) The right of people to bear arms is the only thing keeping this country "For the people, By the People" If we are unarmed, then the GOVT or anyone else with arms, will be able to control everything.

I dont see Martial law in the UK, France, Germany, or any other places with tight gun control, do you?

Originally posted by CSRules
Everything in AMERICA is not perfect....
but it's better than anywhere else..

Thats so not true, America is fast dropping down the list of the best countries to live in. Sweden, Finland, Germany, Austria, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, UK, Norway, Iceland,.... (the list goes on) have fair less crime, less poverty, less drug problems, better healthcare, less racial problems and less oppresive governments.

Originally posted by CSRules
If not then why do we have such a problem with ILLEGAL IMMAGRANTS?!?!

Because theres a huge border with Mexico which means they dont have far to go and its far simpler to go to the US than Canada.

Flyer, as a matter of fact, you are incorrect. The UCR statistics most certainly indicate the tougher the unconstitutional gun control, the worse the crime.

As far as children being hurt from firearms, those numbers are extremely low compared to other ways they get killed. Do you suggest taking away their bikes? Maybe automobiles? The house is the most dangerous place for a child to be, as far as accidents go, maybe we should hand them over to the government, huh?

Which leads us to the government. History shows those who are unarmed get enslaved. Your continent proved that over and over.You say you are free and have no guns. Some might disagree, and regardless, you will only be free as long as they allow you to be free. It is your continent that made it clear to the Founding Fathers that this nation would have to have an armed society, just to make sure it never happened here.

America is unique in that the people are by law susposed to be armed to protect themselves from any danger be it someone trying to harm there family a hostile invasion OR there own government if need be.

There is a Gorean saying that goes "every man is king whithin the reach of his sword"

A gun just increases that reach

To be fair, Americans rights are being surpressed month by month now and peoples rights to bear arms isnt doing much to stop it.

I dont believe what they thought over 200 years ago is relevant to todays society

Anti-gun people need to wake up.

I am all for a peaceful world with no murders or killing, etc. But the fact is, there ARE and ALWAYS WILL BE murderers thieves rapists and other criminals out there waiting to get you. What do these gun laws do? They only keep LAW ABIDING citizens from getting guns to DEFEND THEMSELVES from the CRIMINALS. Criminals will get a gun no matter what...if theyre planning on killing someone, then why would they care about breaking a law to get an illegal weapon or carry it illegally? They don't give a #.

I would much rather be able to carry a gun around and be safe from getting mugged or shot, than rely on the police to keep guns out of criminal's hands...because it's impossible. Violence is a part of our lives and there are always bad guys out there, you just need to make sure that you can protect yourself the best you can.

To be fair, Americans rights are being surpressed month by month now and peoples rights to bear arms isnt doing much to stop it.

True but at least they have that option. I hope that our problems can be solved at the voting booth because if not there is a very real chance of a second civil war here.

And for every time you here of someone that shots himself because he was dumb enough to be playing with a weapon there are 100 times where some one was NOT killed or raped because they had a gun.

Originally posted by Dusty
I live in Ohio and they seem close to passing this law to be able to carry concealed weapons. Why? I know there are probably alot of gun freaks around here, but what purpose does a gun actually serve other than to kill? The right to bear arms, has to be on of the dumbest things in the world. I see no point in guns, just for a second, imagine a world with no guns.

i imagine a world where baseball bats and hunting knives are the objects of wrath to some and seek to have them outlawed.

like any other weapon (and some things not designed to be a weapon, i'll illistrate this in a minute) it can be used for good or bad reasons. it is only a tool, a medium if you will for a desired result, death in this case. you can do that with your bare hands. do we ban the use of our hands? do we have them registered and then subsquently taken from us one at a time until we have no more hands?

what about pencils and pens? i know a pencil can be used to kill a person. how? thats my secret but i think you can figure that out. but do we outlaw writing utensils? of course not. we can only punish the criminal, not the tool or weapon they used.

you have offended me and you used your computer to offend me and my senses. i want all computers and the internet outlawed.

see how retarded the logic is???

take away guns and they'll use something else, its pretty illogical to think killing will stop if you take away guns. death by car might increase or death by bludgeonging might increase if guns were gotten rid of.

i also dont like the concept of relying on the police to protect me when i should protect myself.

or should i sit there and let a criminal do as they please with me until the police show up? (not knowing when they'll show up if at all)

you must live in a utopia the rest of us arent aware of. you're idealistic and not very realistic. ideally there'd be no murder and no hatred but that isnt this world and probably never will be (not that we shouldnt try mind you) but this isnt a john lennon song and i dont play what if games. i'm not going to imagine a world without guns as its not the world i live in.

Originally posted by Shoktek
Anti-gun people need to wake up.

i agree with you.!


wake up and smell the coffee all gun haters.

Originally posted by Flyer
To be fair, Americans rights are being surpressed month by month now and peoples rights to bear arms isnt doing much to stop it.

I dont believe what they thought over 200 years ago is relevant to todays society

Yes, it is relevant as people are the same, only technology and industry has changed.

The right to keep and bear arms isn't stopping it because it is only the right to keep and bear arms. It is up to the public to do something about the situation, and right now, the public is so ignorant it isn't even funny.
Regardless, the right to keep and bear arms is not the problem.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
the right to keep and bear arms is not the problem.

true.

it isnt.

Originally posted by Amuk
And for every time you here of someone that shots himself because he was dumb enough to be playing with a weapon there are 100 times where some one was NOT killed or raped because they had a gun.

And there were 1,000s of people who were killed or raped because the offender had a gun.

And there were 1,000s of people who were killed or raped because the offender had a gun.

Sounds like they should have been packin too

Yet if the victim had a gun how do u think the offender would react?
In my previous post in this thread I mentioned that 2 million crimes a year are stopped because the potential victim had a gun.