Car On Fire Driven Into Glasgow Airport Terminal

I herd that at least one of the london cars registeration plate was captured by number recognition cameras heading from Scotland - that was the initial link.

Arn't doctors supposed to be clever? The two at the airport dont seem to of bothered measuring up the door, or planning their approach very well - even after backing up and re-ramming they still could not fit through, also IMO the cylinders would of taken considerable time for the pressure to reach the 'critical' point where the cylinder is compromised and the explosion could take place (that is my understanding - not aware of any mods they may of made to speed this up).

The foye is big enough for most people to of avoided the worst of the blast given the time that may be avaialible.

And how about that second London car that got towed?? Any muppet knows how hot those towing contractors are round most of central London.

@ flyersfan

My posts here have been intended to create discussion. If, as you say ATS members come here to 'find the truth' then why has no one bothered to engage me in actual discussion. And why then are so many people in this thread simply accepting the media reports? There is no discussion on the 'truth', this post is mostly made up of people posting more news clips and media reports. There is little or no reasoning, and little or no attempt to debate the 'truth'. If there had been, I may not have felt so strongly that I needed to express myself so passionately.

I also think it's pretty funny that everyone is all "well, just leave if you don't like it". That's a whole lot easier for everyone than actually engaging with me in discussion, isn't it?

The new clips are what the people use to show what has been happening. If you know something that is not being reported in the news the post what it is. If it is just your opinion the say it is your opinion.
If you have evidence the post your evidence and the link.
General speaking people don't pay much attention to your opinion aside from you have the right to have your opinion. So better off to post the link to your source material.

But I did state that it was my opinion! And posting links to 'news' reports is simply regurgitating the media that we are supposed to be here to refute. Does no one but me see the irony here?

Originally posted by drblow
And posting links to 'news' reports is simply regurgitating the media that we are supposed to be here to refute.

We are here to find the truth, not to blindly accept or reject any particular position or source of information.

I firmly believe that, much more often than not, the media does report accurately. Not to say they don't mislead or lie from time to time, but thinking that they're lying all the time is pretty insane.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I firmly believe that, much more often than not, the media does report accurately. Not to say they don't mislead or lie from time to time, but thinking that they're lying all the time is pretty insane.

The media reports what they are told to report. If they are told to report that Paris Hilton is more important that the war, then that's the way it is.

And I have no more reason to believe the media than I do anyone who has mislead me for selfish reasons. Fool me once....

drblow- I think what you have to realise is that 1, this part of the forum you are posting in is for the breaking news,So lets say an updated pulling together of news, and looking in a bit to the conspirsy of it,

There are many other parts of this forum where you can really Rip this story apart and get to what you may believe is the real story,
I think it would be great if you headed of and started a topic on it rather than putting down people on this thread,

Lets gets constructive on the matter, Research together and look at the finer points... Is that not what we are about? and how we really can get to the bottom of things? looking deeper in to an event and finding where the puzzle don't fit?

You say so what about someone getting arrested in Australia, But again its part of the story and maybe a piece of the puzzle, Surely we have to look in to all information given, and maybe even why,

So I really suggest you get start up a thread on your ideas and lets get it rolling,

My family where also brought up in Belfast, My father was brought up around the worst of the violence, so its that since he thinks similar in ways that this is not that big considering, I think its something you grow numb to if brought up around it,

So open up a little and realise that not all have been in the situations you may have been, and that to some this is a very scary event,

If you think they need understanding then again lets get you a thread up where you can share what you believe is to be the truth, Others will add and again together we will open it up and look in,

This bickering really does not do allot for anyone's cause,

Another day - another fake terrorist threat.

How easily some people fall for this staged threats.

And you want to know why none of this "car-bombs" blew up?

Well if you did not know, when the REAL bombs go off, usually there is a certain Anti-Terror drill at the exactly SAME TIME; like it was on 9/11 when NORAD was conductin several drills, realted to hijacked airplanes - and on 7/7 London attacks it was EXACTLY the same thing: anti-terror drills on EXACTLY the same locations at EXACTLY the same time, that real bombs went off.

Coincidence?

I do not think so.

So what are we dealing with today?

Hopeless, Incompetent, Laughable, Finally The Truth About "Terror"

A TV talking head has finally characterized last week's non-events in Britain for what they were, in the face of a blitz of frenzied hype, hysterics and fearmongering from the government and media, former Scotland Yard detective John O'Connor described the botched attacks as "hopeless," "incompetent" "almost laughable," and amounting to nothing more than a bonfire.

"This was a hopeless, incompetent terrorist attack, I mean when you see the ludicrous situation when none of the bombs were able to be detonated and these guys are then trying to set fire to petrol," O'Connor told CNN.

"This was a hopeless, incompetent terrorist attack, I mean when you see the ludicrous situation when none of the bombs were able to be detonated and these guys are then trying to set fire to petrol," O'Connor told CNN.

"All they got was a bonfire, they set fire to fuel - well that in its own way is not going to detonate the gas cylinders and it's not going to cause an explosion - it was just a fire, I mean that is so incompetent as to be almost laughable."

Yet the fear mongering mainstream corporate media alongside with power-hungry governments, who are just eager to pass new legistlations, which shall take away some more rights, which we have left, are just feeding the hunger beast of illusion of TERRORISM - the phantom enemy, which can never ever be defeated and this is just another sign, that this war, shall last for decades. Either way - if this is government sponsored or radical islamic terrorism, in any case: terrorism can only be effective if the relatively minor acts of violence that are perpetrated are given false prominence and artificially inflated to the point where the dread of what's coming next fundamentally alters the way we go about our lives, travel, commerce, and the way we treat others, until we ultimately acquiesce to the terrorist's goal - relinquishing our freedoms and living in fear.

So exactly gains here?

Certain radical Muslims, who can not even detonate their so-called "car-bombs" - and if they would, the only response would be more Islamophobia (which is already present in many people).

Or certain radical elements within certain governments, which shall gain ALOT more then all of the those radical Muslims togather: they shall pass new legislations, which shall take away our rights as free individuals living within a free socitey by increasing the big brother elements, by recording our every move via cameras, mobile phones, e-mails and finally by implanted chips. They shall get more money for certain defense budgets and the battle to fight "Radical Islam" shall be taken to yet another frontline (maybe this time Iran, Syria...) - but most of all; spreading fear and paranoia and making sure that this alleged war on terror shall never ever end.

Look, my comments here were about the media reports on Glasgow airport. Specifically. I suggested that these reports were trumped up, misleading, and were being used by the UK administration to further engender fear in the population, and throughout the world.

I also then suggested a few opinions, that I clearly stated were opinions, that were aimed at getting people to think about what is happening.

Fine, if you want to believe most of the media reports are accurate. But how can anyone with a brain think for one minute that this 'attack' in Glasgow is linked to the world-wide threat of Al-Quaida is quite simply beyond me.

I say again, my strong expressions here have been mainly inflamed by the utter lack of proper dialogue, by the relentless posting of more and more links to 'news' items without even a hint that they are inconsistent, lacking in factual content, and filled with propaganda. The UK news today is still full of reports about how 'Scotland will get over this trauma' or 'how the UK will not give in to this kind of terrorist attack'. WHAT TERRORIST ATTACK???????????????????????????????????????

I said this before, but I guarantee that there was an industrial accident, or a fire, that posed more of a threat to nationla security than this 'attack'. And my main 'opinion' is that how can we be expected to believe that there is any such thing as a threat to any nations security from a group that is so incompetent they do things like this? That's why I was posting about living in Belfast, I KNOW what a terrorist organisation is capable of doing. We are expected to believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack, and that Al-Quaida is the biggest threat to global security, so much so that there is currently a war going on in Iraq & Afghanistan that cites Al-Quaida as the enemy. It is being used as a reason to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi & Afghan civilians.

This forum is filled with articles and posts refuting the fact that 9/11 was indeed a terorrist attack. There is a welath of informaiton available here suggesting that the US govt at least had a hand in the planning of 9/11, that Al-Quida is an invention of the US adminstration.

Just think about it, will you?

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

The media reports what they are told to report. If they are told to report that Paris Hilton is more important that the war, then that's the way it is.

The above was impossible in this case. I am speaking about Glasgow now. It was citizen journalists who did the only reporting for the first several hours because police cordoned off the area which in effect prevented the profestional media from getting on scene.

Now with the above clarified for you, how can you can they are reporting what the government tells them?

Maybe they wern't trying to detonate the gas cylinders.

Maybe they were just trying to burn them to destroy the evidence?

Of the "Doctors" supposedly involved with this "plot" we have one Neurologist, a Diabetes specialist (Endocrinologist?) and a Medical Registrar.

I'd be curious to know if any...

Microbiologists
Epidemiologists
Pathologists
Phlebotomists
Enterologists
or Internists

were also involved, as these specialties might point to a plot involving something more deadly than a "Barbeque Gone Wild".

Originally posted by drblow

Just think about it, will you?

How about taking your conspiracy theory to the conspiracy boards where they belong this is breaking news as asala pointined out to you

Please read and take her advice given HERE

On Topic now

The only conspiracy here is the one formed by the terrorists who tried to kill innocient civilians.



[edit on 7/3/2007 by shots]

@ souljah - right [EDIT] on brother!!

@ asala - I have enough humility to admit that you may well be right about me being 'numbed' to terror reports by my upbringing, and that as such I am very dismissive of this current Glasgow thing. It is ignorant of me to assume that everyone should feel the same.

This has been my first outing on this forum, having been a member for a few months. I said before that my horror at the acceptance of media has been somewhat overwhelming, and as such my faith in starting a new thread to discuss these ideas is fairly low. However, maybe rather than dismiss ATS as being part of the conspiracy, I will make a further attempt at starting an actual discussion. I might even link to it from here?!



edit: I can't seem to start a new thread in the 'general conspiracy' forum? When I clikc the new thread button it just takes me to the 'add favourite' box. Any ideas there moderators?

[edit on 3-7-2007 by drblow]


[Mod Edit: Profanity removed, please see Terms And Conditions Of Use. (Section 1b) Thank you - Jak]

[edit on 3/7/07 by JAK]

Originally posted by drblow
WHAT TERRORIST ATTACK???????????????????????????????????????

Terrorists try to mass murder innocent people.
Terrorists try to destroy infrastructure.
Terrorists try to destroy military targets AND soft civilian targets.
Terrorists try to terrorize and instill fear.

The London and Glasgow bombers -
... tried to mass murder innocent people.
... tried to destroy infrastructure (airport) and soft civilian targets.
... tried to terrorize and instill fear.

THOSE terrorist attacks. They may have been inept.
But they are still terrorists.

Originally posted by shots
The only conspiracy here is the one formed by the terrorists who tried to kill innocient civilians.

As far as we know so far that's entirely true.

So your thinking possible bio or chem attack?

Pure speculation on my part now but heat would disable a lot of bio agents would it not?

The targets would make sense, airport, busy club and Hyde park (had the car not been towed).

But medical professionals must have countless opportunities to make a more successful attack. (Depending on the exact agent)

If this is the case then the police must know, they would defiantly of sampled the contents of the canisters by now. So we are not being told.

IMO tho, this was an incompetent effort. It must take a lot to make a pressure canister explode without weakening it substance ally before hand. The way I see it is the petrol was to provide a fast and uncontrollable fire, 5 mis or so later then boom. I can't see it happening quicker without a lot of modding of cylinders.

I dont think they even tested the plan out on a bonfire somewhere first. As a kid me and mates would put butane refill cans (deodorant size) on fires, the fire ball is big (and dangerous) but even in a big and hot fire (admittedly not a petrol fire) it took time for the pressure to build enough for boom, those cans are build to the same spec as air freshener etc, not heavy duty 13kg canisters.

Id see through it if this was Joe Publics attempt at car bombing an airport , but well schooled doctors being involved in this crazy,half witted attack is just weird.

Although we should be thankfully that it was such a farce.

[edit on 3-7-2007 by The_Coo]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by drblow
WHAT TERRORIST ATTACK???????????????????????????????????????

Terrorists try to mass murder innocent people.
Terrorists try to destroy infrastructure.
Terrorists try to destroy military targets AND soft civilian targets.
Terrorists try to terrorize and instill fear.

The London and Glasgow bombers -
... tried to mass murder innocent people.
... tried to destroy infrastructure (airport) and soft civilian targets.
... tried to terrorize and instill fear.

THOSE terrorist attacks. They may have been inept.
But they are still terrorists.

Originally posted by shots
The only conspiracy here is the one formed by the terrorists who tried to kill innocient civilians.

As far as we know so far that's entirely true.

Oh dear. I say again, WHAT TERRORISTS? So you honestly believe that the only conspiracy in the world today is that real terrorists are trying to kill us all in the name of radical Islam? You believe that there is a terrorist threat?

Fine, who can change that when you have access to untold amounts of information here & elsewhere.

Do you believe that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists? Do you believe that the 7/7 london bombings were carried out by terrorists? My opinion is that none of those events were carried out by terrorists. My belief is that the word 'terrorist' has been hijacked by the media to perpetrate mass brain washing and propaganda, with the sole intention of continuing the 'war on terror' (i.e the search for oil resources).

Originally posted by shots
The above was impossible in this case. I am speaking about Glasgow now. It was citizen journalists who did the only reporting for the first several hours because police cordoned off the area which in effect prevented the profestional media from getting on scene.

So what does that have to do with what I said? I made a general statement about the media, and how they are not a reliable source for information on important cases. Any citizen reports would be useless in this case because all they could say was "someone set a car on fire".

Now with the above clarified for you, how can you can they are reporting what the government tells them?

Thanks for the clarification shots... please, can you also clarify where I said that they say what the government tells them to?

And with my fairly innocuous comment, it seems like a sniping attempt on your part. Are you baiting me?

i'm so friggin tired of all this terrorist crap...really.
these are dark times my friends.
i really try to read all the posts but i am only on page 24. i just wanted to jump in real fast and say that i think it is absolutely glorious that one of these turds are in the hospital with 90% burns....that is fantastic.

no martyr for the 'cause'...no virgins and allah. instead, he will be trated by infidels, at an infidels hospital while he sits in extreme pain waiting for imminent death.

pwned.

with the 4th tomorrow, anyone think that the US will see an 'attack'?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by shots
The only conspiracy here is the one formed by the terrorists who tried to kill innocient civilians.

As far as we know so far that's entirely true.

We don't know that, we were told that. Do you always believe what you're told hands down?