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Micheal Moore's SICKO gets *Thumbs Up* from fact checkers.

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posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 11:01 PM
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plumranch, have you noticed that most of the laws are made by lawyers because most politicians were,or still are, lawyers. So why on earth would they want to cut into such fertile income by acting in a manner that benefited someone besides those that practice that craft?

Edited by NGC-because there has never been two "tees" in the past tense of benefit.


[edit on 4-8-2007 by NGC2736]




posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 02:59 AM
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By NG:


plumranch, have you noticed that most of the laws are made by lawyers because most politicians were,or still are, lawyers.
As in Bill and Hillary? Unfortunately they (she) also receive major support from the law lobby or action groups. So if Hill is elected you know there will be no laws passed that don't favoring lawyers.
Unfortunately because of Iraque, Democrats are likely to win the presidency. So we will have continueing litigation and high cost in our health system. Which is sad because if we could just solve this problem (which seems to me to be a simple solution) we could have the most efficient and by far the most advanced and effective health care system in the world. Instead we may face "Hillary Care" which will mean long lines, equal care for all (which means poor health care for all) and our good Doctors and health care people dropping out of the system because surprise, surprise, they want to be paid for their services. Alturism does not attract the high quality doctors and nurses everyone wants!



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 06:46 AM
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I think the main thing to consider is that other capitalist countries have universal healthcare (UK, Canada). The fact that a Communist country has one is pretty irrelevant, don't they all?

I doubt the level of care is as good as It is in America.



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 07:03 AM
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225,000 Americans per year have died as a result of their medical treatments:

unnecessary surgery- 12,000 deaths

medication errors in hospitals- 7000 deaths

other errors in hospitals- 20,000 deaths

infections in hospitals- 80,000 deaths

negative effects of drugs- 106,000 deaths

the only thing that tops the number of deaths caused by the healthcare system is hearth disease and cancer.

gee...maybe this is the reason why there is so much litigation going on?? considering the amount of money that people are paying for their healthcare, is it too much to expect that this healthcare won't kill us!!!

and as far as our horrible health habits. we are better than those in many of the other industrialized countries....
we are third best when it comes to smoking, only 28 of our male population smoke.
we are 5th best when it come to alcohol consumption. and our men in the age group of 50 to 70 years of age had the third lowest choloesterol levels.... and yet the US ranked 12th when it comes to overall health.

the idea that it is our bad health habits that is making us a sick lot is bogus!!

stats can be found here:

www.health-care-reform.net...



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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by dawnstar:
the idea that it is our bad health habits that is making us a sick lot is bogus!!
You didn't mention obesity. It must be about the number one reason why Americans have poor health. Heart disease, diabetes, joint disease, you name it. What health problem isn't related to obesity? No many!



the only thing that tops the number of deaths caused by the healthcare system is hearth disease and cancer.
The lesson to be learned here is that patients need to take more responsibility for their own health and not rely on the system to solve all their health problems. It is no secret that health care has serious side effects and complications. Maybe in a hundred years it will be better. The best approach for now is don't use it untill you really have to IMHO!


gee...maybe this is the reason why there is so much litigation going on?? considering the amount of money that people are paying for their healthcare, is it too much to expect that this healthcare won't kill us!!!
Not true. My point is that when you sue a party in the health care system, all they do is hire an expensive lawyer to handle the suit, go on with their work and pass the cost on to the next patient. Everyone looses but the lawyer.
People in health care do not learn a big lesson from loosing a case, there are no lessons to learn other than that when you are in health care you have to deal with bothersome lawsuits from the legal system and it is expensive!
All health care personel make occasional mistakes, they are only human and under tremendous pressure. Accidents happen in care facilities. Patients have unexpected reactions and complications. Drugs have unintended or unexpected side effects. Who benifits from law suits? Only the law profession. To say that the threat of a lawsuit somehow improves the performance of our health system is bogus!



posted on Aug, 6 2007 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Um, wow.

So I checked the US caused deaths thread, where all of this is the actual topic, but I dont see your arguments over there. This isnt the first time I've suggested taking this there.
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What the heck is the point?... It is pretty obvious you just want to spread hatred against the U.S. and even blame, as some others do everything on the U.S.


Well actually all i want is to spread truth, therefore if I'm truly wrong about something I want to know about it. Additionally, I wouldn't want people reading writings and arguments of mine which truly are incorrect.

In any case, you obviously want to "spread love" of the "U.S." so I can't understand why you wouldn't at least want to clarify the 'false' hatemongering involving "America".



posted on Aug, 6 2007 @ 05:01 AM
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well.....if I run down some poor soul with my car accidentally, I might just find myself facing a charge of negligent homicide.
what is the criminal charge for negligence when it comes to doctors, drug companies, and the like? maybe if there was a legal venue for people to persue when doctors or nurses negligence kills a loved one, well that would make people happy. but I got a feeling right now, if you take away their right to sue.....you might take away the only means of holding them accountable..

and, if you ask me......the problem with obesity has much more to do with what is added to the food we are eating than it has to do with how much we are eating. it's negligence on the part of the food producers!



posted on Aug, 6 2007 @ 02:25 PM
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By dawnstar:


the problem with obesity has much more to do with what is added to the food we are eating than it has to do with how much we are eating. it's negligence on the part of the food producers!
Not provable. Obesity is a major factor in Americans predisposition for health problems in general. It is treatable (there are safe? and effective new drugs), it is preventable, it is a lifestyle choice, it is a matter of short term satisfaction verses long term advantages/ disadvantages of being fat. When Americans decide that being fat isn't cool, isn't healthy they will begin to change their eating habits.! People weren't all fat back when I was a kid and we had plenty of junk food to eat. The advent of junk food began back in the 30s and 40s. Not a new phenomenon. The "too fat America" started recently.

I'm not saying that all litigation has to be stopped but frivolous lawsuits, outrageous rewards and punishments and other excesses in lawsuits needs to be brought under control with simple legistation. Costs cannot be brought under control otherwise! Other forms of reprimand, sanction, punishment for negligent parties should be considered like temporary loss of license, forced continuing education, license suspension and etc. These would be more effective because litigation costs are simply passed on to the public in the form of higher health care costs in general.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:39 PM
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AN EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY!

And I have to say, that I feel sorry for the fellow Americans, who have to pay for their medical procedures. The ones who lost their loved ones, because they could not afford the operation and the ones, who pay 120$ for a drug, which costs 5 cents in certain countries. Medical care should be FREE for everybody! That is how a democratic and FREE countries around the world work! That is how Great Britain works. And Canada. And France. And the country I once lived it - Yugoslavia. We always had FREE medical care. FREE college education. That was granted to you, because you are a citizen of a FREE country. And the stories presented in this film, are simply sickening!

How can you put a price tag on a life of a sick man or woman? How can you, as a doctor with who has sworn to save lives deny medical assistance to somebody who needs in, on the basis that they are poor? Is this some kind of a country, where the poor are not worth anything and are thrown on the streets like garbage from hospitals with fresh stiches in their head? What kind of a country is that? Definetly not FREE.

I guess majority of Americans are kept AFRAID and DEMORALIZED and POOR.

And do nothing.

Just wait.

While the insurance and medical corporations get filthy rich.

Why sit and do nothing?

It is YOUR country!

GO TO THE STREETS DAMNIT!

Or move to another country - Canada is near and it is a much better place.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
First of all, Moore not only lied but he was in cahoots with a Communist dictatorship....


Quite the claim so do it some justice by telling us how you arrived at it.


somehow there are people in here that don't want to understand what that means, and are willing to forgive the lies of Moore just because of his political leanings nothing more and nothing less"...


I can live with the small lies that some feel they must tell to expose bigger lies but what i can not stand is massive lies that are being employed to starve millions each year. I don't care about small lies and the fact that you will waste time to attack Michael Moore when you could be continuing the expose the lie that is global warming bothers me. Your a intelligent person and i should not have to waste my time defending the likes of Michael Moore any more than you should attacking him.


Lying about what happens in a dictatorship, and making exagerations about other healthcare system without bringing out the problems those same systems are having as we speak does not help bring out the problems or help solve the problems with the American healthcare system...


I am looking for a opening to return to our discussion on the Cuban health care system but i think it's sufficient to state that your sources are one sided at best and that i can present many more than will 'prove' exactly the opposite. Facts are Fidel Castro is as much the elected president of the USA as Jnr Bush is of the USA and if you wish to call Fidel a dictator then you should in all fairness say the same for a man who was not elected by the American people.


Some of you are talking about Americans who are left out,


The tens of millions of American working poor who are not sure where tomorrow or next weeks meals will come from?


well Moore left out some of the 9/11 workers who were promised they would be taken care of also.....


So Moore maybe stiffed a few dozens of Americans while the American government is consigning millions to death at relatively young ages due to lack of medical care and living wages. I know who I'm voting for...


but of course, those who have the same political leanings as Moore have to overlook the lies and exagerations he makes...


People are biased creatures but i don't see how overlooking the small lies of Moore ( and they are so very small) is a problem compared to defending the establishment lies that defends capitalism and the globalisation that are killing millions.


The infraestructure of every country depends on the standard of living of every country, and prices of items and products will reflect that standard of living...


In fact the majority of the worlds population are barely gaining enough income to feed themselves in a way approaching healthy. The cost of produce and living is thus not reflected in the fact that more than 500 million people are slowly dieing due to starvation while 30 odd thousands did not survive the last twenty four hours for that reason. If this is your grasp of economics, and the problems so many faces, maybe you should stick to the numerous other topics where you do seem to have a firm grasp of the facts.


The basic salary in Cuba, for the average person, is about 200-300 Cuban pesos a month or so, which is no more than maybe around $7.50 - $11.50
USD a month. Some other jobs pay a bit more, such as doctors get paid around $20- $22 USD a month.


So this is the third world where people earns very little in terms of US dollars? Is this as result of Castro's policies or as result of the same forces that are being employed to impoverish the third world in general ?


A lot of people in Cuba have to depend on the black market to survive and not to buy luxury items cheaper...


At least Cuba HAS a black market.


Another point that I was making, but which for some reason there are some members and even staff members who want to claim the contrary, in Cuba regular Cubans can't just go to the first pharmacy and get whatever medicine they need...they depend on their family living outside of Cuba to send them medicines because the medicines are reserved for the rich foreigners, and those who are part of the Cuban regime..


So it's like the rest of the world only Cubans don't die at 48 or 55 like they do in so many other third world hell holes?


There are hundreds of first hand accounts from Cuban doctors who have left the island and Cubans who left the island and talk about the real situation there. Pharmacies and "bodegas" (stores) for the regular Cubans are empty most of the time in Cuba.


I have not seen hundreds of them speak out but i know that most third world countries never had thousands of doctors that could pack up and leave when they felt they were not earning enough.


As i have said before if Moore would have actually not lied and been in cahoots with the Cuban dictatorship,


I am still wondering how you established this 'connection' between the Cuban government and Michael Moore...


or even he he hadn't left out the problems with the healthcare systems he claims in that video are so perfect, i wouldn't be criticizing this latest stunt by Moore.


The fact that Cuba after so many decades of imperial plots and economic warfare has any kind of health care system to criticise should be more interesting but it's become quite clear to me that you have lost perspective on this particular issue and refuse to understand that Cubans are still on average far better off than billions of people in others countries. If if the US government had anything to do with changing Cuba i can assure you that things would get far worse for the majority.

Stellar



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by StellarX

Quite the claim so do it some justice by telling us how you arrived at it.


i already explained it several times, if you are too lazy to go back a few pages and read, that's not my problem..



Originally posted by StellarX
I can live with the small lies that some feel they must tell to expose bigger lies but what i can not stand is massive lies that are being employed to starve millions each year.


So now these are just small lies to claim that we can learn from a "Communist dictatorship", and that it's healthcare system which is worse than that of the U.S. or most countries is better than the U.S.?....



Originally posted by StellarX
I am looking for a opening to return to our discussion on the Cuban health care system but i think it's sufficient to state that your sources are one sided at best and that i can present many more than will 'prove' exactly the opposite. Facts are Fidel Castro is as much the elected president of the USA as Jnr Bush is of the USA and if you wish to call Fidel a dictator then you should in all fairness say the same for a man who was not elected by the American people.


BS, you don't know jack about Cuba, i was born and raised there and have family there... It is funny that "foreigners" always want to claim for some reason they know more about Cuba than the millions of Cubans who ahve left the island.... All i can say is that such "foreigners are delluded and nothing more...


Originally posted by StellarX
The tens of millions of American working poor who are not sure where tomorrow or next weeks meals will come from?


Show me a country where there are no poor people....and in that Communist regime you are apparently claiming is much better than the U.S. the percentage of poor is most Cubans are poorer than in a country such as the U.S.



Originally posted by StellarX
So Moore maybe stiffed a few dozens of Americans while the American government is consigning millions to death at relatively young ages due to lack of medical care and living wages. I know who I'm voting for...


Moore only had to help about half a dozen and he stiffled quite a few of them, and that's without mentioning that there were exagerations on what happened to those people he used for his latest stunt.


Originally posted by StellarX
People are biased creatures but i don't see how overlooking the small lies of Moore ( and they are so very small) is a problem compared to defending the establishment lies that defends capitalism and the globalisation that are killing millions.


Oh riiight and you alongside Moore apparently want to supplant it with a system like "the Communist regime of Cuba" or by lying about what is happening to the NHS in socialist/capitalist countries?....



Originally posted by StellarX
In fact the majority of the worlds population are barely gaining enough income to feed themselves in a way approaching healthy. The cost of produce and living is thus not reflected in the fact that more than 500 million people are slowly dieing due to starvation while 30 odd thousands did not survive the last twenty four hours for that reason. If this is your grasp of economics, and the problems so many faces, maybe you should stick to the numerous other topics where you do seem to have a firm grasp of the facts.


I am not the one generalizing, exagerating and lying trying to bash away at the U.S., there are many problems in the world that have nothing to do with the U.S., as an example the millions of people in India who are still suject to the old caste system where "the untouchables" among some others cannot better themselves and starve to death....

There are other systems such as "Communist dictatorships" which people like yourself like to exagerate and claim they exist only because of the United States....

Or how about the millions of people murdered by Islamic extremism all over the world in the last 20 years, and the "billions" who are suffering because of Islamic extremism the world over?....

Oh but "StellarX", and some others want to claim it is all because the United States....


Originally posted by StellarX
So this is the third world where people earns very little in terms of US dollars? Is this as result of Castro's policies or as result of the same forces that are being employed to impoverish the third world in general ?


Stop trying to make exagerations and lies about such systems, Cuba is in teh shape it is because of castro and his Communist regime, the island has been afflicted and much was changed for the worse ever since the "revolution"...



Originally posted by StellarX
At least Cuba HAS a black market.


And so do Capitalist countries, the only difference is that in Capitalist countries the black market is there only to buy luxury products, while in Communist and other dictatorships withouth the black market most people would not survive.



Originally posted by StellarX
So it's like the rest of the world only Cubans don't die at 48 or 55 like they do in so many other third world hell holes?


What in the world do you know about Cuba?... i guess some people are way to dense to understand when "a Communist dictatorship has control over an entire country and all information which leaves that island from the government of Cuba does so only because of the consent of castro's regime wants it to, and they are able to rig such information because there are no independent studies allowed in a country like Cuba.



Originally posted by StellarX
I have not seen hundreds of them speak out but i know that most third world countries never had thousands of doctors that could pack up and leave when they felt they were not earning enough.


What in the world are you all about?... Professionals in Cuba are not allowed to leave the island unless the Communist dictatorship sends them to spread the revolution in some other country, some have been able to leave but only illegally... Most Cubans and more so professionals do not have the choice to pack up and leave the island....


Originally posted by StellarX
I am still wondering how you established this 'connection' between the Cuban government and Michael Moore...


Perhaps if you stopped being lazy and read back a few pages you might get to read the connection.



Originally posted by StellarX
The fact that Cuba after so many decades of imperial plots and economic warfare has any kind of health care system to criticise should be more interesting but it's become quite clear to me that you have lost perspective on this particular issue and refuse to understand that Cubans are still on average far better off than billions of people in others countries. If if the US government had anything to do with changing Cuba i can assure you that things would get far worse for the majority.

Stellar


LOL....mate you are wrong, the Cuban regime has made more "plots" than the United States, and has participated in wars to spread "the revolution" around the world without caring one iota about the Cuban people.

If anyone has lost any perspective it is you and those who want to claim the Cuban dictatorship is better than the United States, when you obviously haven't lived in either country....



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 05:10 AM
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StellarX - I think you are fighting in vain, since our socialist-specialist knows EVERYTHING there is to know about Cuba, about Global Warming, about Terrorism, about Socialism, about almost everything. And he is always right. And you are always wrong. And this can go on forever. You know what you know, and you have your own opinion. Anyway, he never actually saw the film in the first place! He just knows EVERYTHING already!

And by the way - there were 638 assassination attempts on Castro. Almost all by the CIA.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
StellarX - I think you are fighting in vain, since our socialist-specialist knows EVERYTHING there is to know about Cuba, about Global Warming, about Terrorism, about Socialism, about almost everything.


As always, when you can't present proof in favour of your argument, attack the messenger... This thread has nothing to do with "Global Warming", or "terrorism", or "anything else"...and i have never claimed to know everything.

But i have noticed this is the claim some people make when they can't back their arguments with real data...

This is just a red herring on your part just like always, but you are not the only one who do this..

Are you claiming that there haven't been millions of people murdered by Islamic extremism in the last 20 years?... Or that Billions of people have suffered under Islamic extremism in the last 20 years?....

Or that there aren't "untouchables" in India and other parts of the world who suffer because of a caste system which has nothing to do with the United States, or that there are billions of people suffering around the world without the United States being the reason for this suffering?....

Oh yeah i forgot, you have claimed in the past, among some other things, "that the United States is guilty of what the Russian troops have been doing in Chechnya".....

It shouldn't surprise me, or anyone else in the forums, that you would back StellarX in the claim the United States is behind every evil in the world....

BTW, it appears that castro was successful in assassinating JFK...


Culture & Lifestyle | 05.01.2006
"Castro Ordered Kennedy's Assassination"

German filmmaker Wilfried Huismann spent years digging into the assassination of US President Kennedy. His documentary about Cuban leader Castro's role in the murder is set to premiere Friday, on German public TV.

DW-WORLD: We know that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy. But who ordered his assassination and why?

Wilfried Huismann: We settled the question of why in three years of research on this documentary in Mexico, USA and Cuba. Oswald had been an agent for the Cuban intelligence services since November 1962. He was a political fanatic and allowed himself to be used by the Cuban intelligence services to kill John F. Kennedy. It was a Cuban reaction to the repeated attempts of the Kennedy brothers, above all the younger Kennedy, Robert, to get rid of Fidel Castro through political assassination -- a duel between the Kennedys and the Castros, which, like in a Greek tragedy, left one of the duelists dead.

www.dw-world.de...

So the Cuban government was able to kill a president of the United States, yet the United States was not successful in any of the 638 attempts at assassinating castro....

[edit on 14-8-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by Peyre
I doubt the level of care is as good as It is in America.


If you can afford it.

I have insurance and a private hospital emergency room tried to kick me out despite my needing immediate back surgery. The RN told me if I didn't get up and walk out she would call security. I literally was falling to the ground in agony trying to walk back to my car before they agreed to admit me. Unbelievable.

MRI the next day showed a massive disc herniation. The surgeon told me if it had gone untreated much longer I could have had nerve damage.



posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
So the Cuban government was able to kill a president of the United States, yet the United States was not successful in any of the 638 attempts at assassinating castro....



Dear Muaddib,

I think you are an intelligent and smart man, and I find it somehow funny - well actually I find it hilarous! - that you think, that Castro killed J.F.K.! Then again, who else could have been, right? It was the damn commies! Those that, did not allow armaggedon to unfold in Bay of Pigs! Damn them! Of course it has nothing to do with the M.I.C. (military industrial complex) - and the Federal Reserve Bank and the mafia and the CIA and the NSA and the FBI and the jesuits and last but not least, G.H.Bush's daddy. Of course that has nothing to do with. Anyway, keep on dreaming in a "FREE" world, where you have to pay for simple medical procedures, for which EVERYBODY in the rest of the WORLD is not paying anything, and keep on beliving that capitalism rules and that it did not cause any harm or any people suffering in certain Third World Countries. Well - as long as you have your white picked fence and you pay the IRS, what bad can happen to you?

Anyway - I really do not know why I am posting this, but I have just typed all of this letters and I just do not want them to go to waste. They will anyway, since they shall not (like everytime before) be heard or read or understood. As long as we DEBATE, right? Who cares who is right and who is wrong. As long as we remain in the same spot for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever....



posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah



Dear Muaddib,

I think you are an intelligent and smart man, and I find it somehow funny - well actually I find it hilarous! - that you think, that Castro killed J.F.K.! ................


There is a lot more corroborating evidence to what is said in that article i excerpted, than some of the lies you believe and try to spread, such as you claiming that castro is a freemason...when the man is an atheist who abolished religion in Cuba and in order to be a freemason you have to believe in God.... but again and like always you and some other people want to believe whatever you want to believe, and you think you are always right even when presented with facts which contradict your claims.


[edit on 15-8-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 05:30 AM
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Thousands of Massachusetts children from low-income families could be denied health insurance under new rules imposed by the Bush administration late last week. The rules could cut federal matching funds for a state-run program that is a key component of the state's health insurance initiative.

www.boston.com...


Thousands of children.....from low income families, if these families have income then they must be working???? thus, the usual rhetoric that the ones without healthcare are those that don't have the amibition to work if false!!


Using a combination of state and federal funds, the program covers some 6.6 million children nationally and 90,500 in Massachusetts in low-income families.

As part of its health insurance reform, Massachusetts expanded eligibility to children in families earning up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or $61,950 for a family of four. The change was made last year with federal approval and brought coverage to about 14,000 more Massachusetts children.

In Massachusetts, the program is the main means of insuring children in families above the poverty level who do not qualify for Medicaid and who frequently cannot afford private insurance. The state's health insurance initiative did not include any other effort to cover children.

The new federal rules could block enrollment of more children above 250 percent of the poverty level and could make it tougher for the state to continue covering about 4,500 already enrolled. State officials said they do not yet have a count of the number who are eligible but not enrolled.
www.boston.com...


Where do they come up with these income guidelines anyways?? $61,950 for a family of four?? seems to me, that in any given state, depending on where one lives, one could be living pretty nicely on $61, 950, or one might not be...depends on where they are living...but well, if one was to be making $61, 956, well, guess where they are living wouldn't matter, since, well, they wouldn't be eligible..


The federal government is requiring states to take a number of steps over the next year if they want to continue to cover children at higher incomes, and Anthony said Massachusetts meets only some of these requirements.

Under the requirements, children must be without insurance for a year before they can be enrolled, and families of children in the program must pay fees for care similar to those paid by families with private insurance. In addition, the state must show that it has enrolled at least 95 percent of children below 200 percent of poverty and that the number of children insured through private companies has not dropped more than 2 percentage points over five years. The latter requirement is supposed to ensure that employers aren't dropping family coverage.
www.boston.com...


so, ya we recognize that you might be having a problem insuring your child, but well, can he wait a year for that asthma medication? and, well, there are still children that aren't enrolled in the program with family incomes that are a few bucks less than yours, you must wait for them to be enrolled, then we'll think about it.. or the best one yet......the insurance companies are losing customers, we must stop helping the people....

ya know, if I am self employed making $90,000 a year and have a child that has cancer, I might be unable to insure that child, I might be getting buried by the bills even if I do have the insurance, I might be needing help far more than someone who has a healthier family but is making only $62,000 a year...heck the difference in the income wouldn't even make up for a few rounds of chemo I don't think....

heck, an asthmatics few trips to the hospital every couple of months might make up the difference.

no parent should have to give money away, so someone else's child can have the care they need, while they watch their's suffer because they cannot afford the care.

no person in this nation should ever have to face the idea of being permenantly disabled because they can't afford the treatment necessary to avoid the disablility, and have to hand money over for someone else so their non-debilitating cold can be treated!

we have businesses that are being forced to drop their health coverage because of the cost.

we have way too many workers.....taxpayers....out there that are not covered by insurance..

we have other taxpayers, who have the coverage, but still, can't find room in their budget for the costly medicines.


just one question.....

is it really in the best interest of this country to say heck with the taxpayers, the ones that are productive, who are working and doing the best they can, while ensuring that the least productive of the population have the healthcare? why wouldn't such a policy tend to ensure that their are more unproductive, or minimally productive workers? and of course, Bush would want this? people more happy with being low wage unskilled workers....CHEAP LABOR!!!....but still be able to see a doctor, afford a home, food, heat.....than with being as self sufficient as they can be, and yet not having the necessities of life.

for our own sakes, there needs to be changes!


[edit on 22-8-2007 by dawnstar]



posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Just watched this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy & proud to be an American, but this whole healthcare situation, coupled with the housing market, and the devaluation and imminent crash of the dollar.... REALLY makes me want to move out of the country.



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