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Micheal Moore's SICKO gets *Thumbs Up* from fact checkers.

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posted on Jul, 1 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Bhadhidar
This is particularly worrisome for me since, over the last few years I have developed what would be considered several "Pre-existing Conditions"; conditions which would, should I ever loose my existing employer provided health benefits, likely prevent me from ever acquiring affordable health insurance again.


From the research I've been doing, it seems that most of the "conditions" that people have are being caused by the chemicals we're exposed to in the water, food, and products that we use. So the government is actually causing most of the illness and disease that we in turn need "treatment" for. It's a cycle that they started over 100 years ago and the illnesses have progressed along with all of the chemicals that have been introduced. The best thing we can all do is consume only healthy, organic foods because the processed junk at the supermarket is nothing but packaged poison meant to get people fat, lazy, sick and addicted to it. If people would just take care of themselves, eat healthy and avoid the chemical-based food and products, they would need much less health care anyway. And a tremendous amount of illnesses can be cured with natural foods and herbs. The government does not want you to know this because it would collapse their scam of a healthcare system.



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posted on Jul, 1 2007 @ 05:15 PM
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The NHS may not be perfect, but I wouldn't swap it for the American system any day of the week. Wouldn't even dream of it.

I watched this last night, I was pretty much shocked. The people Moore's focuses on actually had insurance but were well and truly f***ed over by money grabbing insurance companies.

You pay twice as much and seem to get less of an outcome in many ways. I can't believe people actually defend the current system.

Profit and health care do not mix well IMHO.



posted on Jul, 2 2007 @ 04:03 AM
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I got about 15 minutes into the movie and had to walk out. The people interview hits too close to home.(recently lost an Aunt in the US due to Insurance Company negligence). I may be able to bring myself to watch it again sometime but I just cannot.... too painful...

Filled Claim = Medical Loss............

Denied Claim = Profit...............

That made me sooooooooooo angry...


[edit on 2-7-2007 by sardion2000]

[edit on 2-7-2007 by sardion2000]



posted on Jul, 2 2007 @ 04:23 AM
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I also watched this yesterday i the first 20 minutes nearly brought me to tears


I was totally shocked that people diagnosed with major illnesses like cancer were not given any treatment at all


Imagine being to young to have cancer?

Im glad that i live in Germany where everyone is insured, it may be expensive as it is payed using taxes but its better then none at all.

And what about the 5 cent medication in Cuba compared to 120$ in the US?



posted on Jul, 2 2007 @ 10:34 AM
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Yes, it is sad that it is all about profits.

Our lives depend on medical insurance companies employee that reviews your case.

FACT: In this film you will see a woman make her confession on CNN. A former Medical Reviewer/Director for Humana went to a managed health care quality standards meeting and she made a public confession. In a very upset tone, but firm she stated that in the spring of 1997 she denied a man a necessary operation which would have saved his life. She denied this man as she was instructed to do as it would save the company $500,000.00, and with her doing this it would assure her title and give her a six figure income. Her choice to testify was due to the pain of her guilt.

BRAVO to her for coming out, but shame
on her for doing it in the first place!!

As for the propaganda going around about getting care while on the NHS.
I am tired of people saying that with the NHS you cannot get medical care because you have to wait for the appointment. It is the same here in the USA. To see a specialist it can take weeks/months to see the specialist. However, one point people forget to mention is that you would go to your GP and they decide if you can wait for that appointment with the specialist. If not then they request that you are to be seen sooner.

People are dying for profit. We can find millions a day to kill people (wars), but we cannot find money to help save lives by funding a NHS in the USA?

If I was to pay $80 a week towards the NHS it would be a beautiful savings! As it stands now my large weekly payment towards my medical insurance will not guarantee me the treatment(s) I may need. If I was to come down with cancer I may not get the treatment to save my life because some reviewer will get a nice bonus when they send me the denial letter? My life is in the hands of someones salary/title for the ripe sum of $400.00 a week?

Lets say I did come down with cancer, and my insurance company denied me treatment. Who do I go to for help? Must I hire a lawyer (which is not cheap) and pray for the best?



posted on Jul, 2 2007 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
And what about the 5 cent medication in Cuba compared to 120$ in the US?


Exactly! Why is that medication 5 cents in Cuba? Another point I would like to make out is that one of the females showed how she was prescribed several prescriptions that she was told she must take. Could you imagine the monthly costs on all that medication?

Well, it is funny how they did weed out all of those medications as she didn't even need them (or were wrong for her.)

All those months she paid high prescription bills. I'm sure she had to make a choice several times "either pay my mortgage or get my medication". I'm mad!


These prescription medication companies have full control over what they charge for their products. Why can they offer Cubans a medication for 5 cents, but Americans have to pay $120? I'm sick of it.



posted on Jul, 2 2007 @ 10:46 AM
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Just would like to add, I have an employee who's mother has cancer and through a technocality with her insurance application, she was denied coverage on her rapidly developing cancer.

He now has to go to chemo therapy only after they raise enough money to afford it. This woman has cancer and she is left out to dry. CANCER. How helpless would you feel if you contracted a disease that was most likely environmental and you were left out to dry?

It is sad state of affairs, and no one on this board (who are proud they can afford insurance) will change my mind.

AAC



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Just would like to add, I have an employee who's mother has cancer and through a technocality with her insurance application, she was denied coverage on her rapidly developing cancer.

He now has to go to chemo therapy only after they raise enough money to afford it. This woman has cancer and she is left out to dry. CANCER. How helpless would you feel if you contracted a disease that was most likely environmental and you were left out to dry?

It is sad state of affairs, and no one on this board (who are proud they can afford insurance) will change my mind.

AAC


A lot of people refuse to believe that cancer and many other diseases have been cured using natural herbal remedies. If this person is refused by the scam of a medical system, maybe it should be counted as a blessing because the real cure could be free and have no side effects.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
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And what about the 5 cent medication in Cuba compared to 120$ in the US?


First of all, that was staged...you don't get medicines in Cuba that easy...unless you are working for castro, are a friend to the dictatorship, or are a rich foreigner.... regular Cubans most often have to rely on their families living outside Cuba...

Second of all....salaries in Cuba are nothing in comparison to what most people posting here make... The highest salary in Cuba for someone who does not work directly for castro is around $20 a month, and that's for a doctor. Factory workers earn around 250-300 Cuban pesos which would be $9-$11 (U.S. dolalrs) a month.

Medicines in Cuba are harder to come by than food, and the Cuban bodegas for the regular Cubans are pretty much empty most of the time.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 05:06 AM
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But that does not explain why the same medicine could be so cheap does it?

That is an extreme price difference
and Moore used it to show how greedy and profit orientated the US Pharma industry and the Health insurerers really are.



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 06:19 AM
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My asthma medication costs my roughly 1 dollar per monthly dose. Last time I was in the states and ran out it put me back roughly 70 bucks. Yeah, you Americans surely aren't being gouged



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
It is sad state of affairs, and no one on this board (who are proud they can afford insurance) will change my mind.


Well spoken.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Now there's a thought...


Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Okay, but the simple fact that healthcare should be a non-profit organization is a no-brainer.


Could you please point me to the smooth running, corruption free, and progressive non-profit organization in existence now?

Perhaps you'd care to detail how you're going to attract the cream of the crop to work in such a "rewarding" sector?

That's the ticket... Reduce healthcare to the same level as public education.


I can show you corruption free non-profit organization on healtcare for example in nordic countries ( sweden, finland, norway ).
Its like winnig the lottery being born in these countries.
And that sicko also showed how the system worked in England and France. Its
just #ed up system you have there in the states. Admid it.
Too much money involved in everything. The ones that pay the biggest "pribes" to gongressmen are the ones that get the deals etc...



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
It is sad state of affairs, and no one on this board (who are proud they can afford insurance) will change my mind.


Well spoken.


The people who can afford insurance will be in for a shocker when something catastrophic happens and their beloved insurance company denies payment.

I have been on thyroid medication since I was a child (over 30 years). As a software developer, I've had many employers and many insurance policies. I've never had a single one deny payment for a standard doctor's visit and lab work in order to maintain the proper dosage of my synthroid medication (in Florida, by law, it has to be done annually). But then just last week, Humana decides that suddenly I have a pre-existing condition and denied the claim. I thank God everyday that I don't have kids. My dog has a better health policy than I do.

I just watched "Sicko" yesterday online and I was so incredibly disgusted at the number of people who are dropped, denied, kicked to the curb and allowed to die only so that these companies can make money. And what's worse is that it's not a mistake that our system has gotten to this. It was planned. It's all intentional. And our government wants it that way. I am honestly ashamed to live in a country where our government brainwashes and abuses its citizens and then claims to be the best country in the world to live.

The movie demonstrated how in Great Britain, the doctors get pay bonuses based on how many people they make "well". The more people they get to quit smoking, or lose weight, or bring down their cholesteral levels, the more the doctors get paid. So the doctors there have good incentives to make sure their patients get the very best care. And the healthcare is free.

In France, they have doctors who do housecalls in the middle of the night. Michael interviewed a group of Americans living in France who praised the healthcare system there. I found myself seriously wondering how I could arrange to relocate to one of those countries.

For those who want to praise our healthcare system, watch the movie first. See for yourself how we are intentionally being abused and neglected due to nothing but pure greed. Here's the link:
files.filefront.com...;7822955;/fileinfo.html



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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Could you please point me to the smooth running, corruption free, and progressive non-profit organization in existence now?


Could you please point me to the smooth running, corruption free, and progressive for-profit organization in existence now?



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 12:24 PM
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You can think what you like, but its suicide for the government to attempt free healthcare in the long run. Eventually, the government will go bankrupt and all these state run institutions will just close, leaving people out in the cold with a lack of medical facilities to go to for help. That's when the real chaos will start.


You are blinded by the ideological prism you see everything through.

If this is true, please explain to me how the rest of the industrilized world, where they do have national healthcare, has somehow managed to not go broke


I'm as suspicious of government as anyone - but I am just as suspicious of the corporate world.

The fact is, healthcare in the US is great - if you make $100k a year or more.
For the rest of us, it sucks.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex

You are blinded by the ideological prism you see everything through.

If this is true, please explain to me how the rest of the industrilized world, where they do have national healthcare, has somehow managed to not go broke



How do I explain it? well its simple, they are going broke. They are in need of serious reform over there. Look it up, behind the sicko movie. Look up what kind of economic condition their system is in. Sure its a great idea, but its not feasable. If you don't want to look it up then that isn't my problem, but they ARE going broke. Im not going to go finding all the sources but Im pretty sure muaddib (as much as I hate to agree with him) had some of the sources up showing it earlier in the thread.



I'm as suspicious of government as anyone - but I am just as suspicious of the corporate world.

The fact is, healthcare in the US is great - if you make $100k a year or more.
For the rest of us, it sucks.


I'd rather protest against the corporate world, then protest again a government which can control the corporate world. If we are afraid of the power of the corporate establishment, then it would be naive not to fear the power of the establishment that can crush the corporate one.

Also I am a lower class citizen. My mother works 3 jobs. I don't need you to tell me how much the system sucks. Making Nationalized Healthcare though is not the answer. I'd prefer not bankrupting our nation, leaving medical facilities to suddenly close because government cannot fund them anymore. That sudden closure would lead to many deaths. If government runs it, it isn't a matter of if they will go bankrupt, but when.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 12:45 PM
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observer.guardian.co.uk...

The same goes for Britian who is also facing a big deficit with no way to balance the budget.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 01:09 PM
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If you haven't noticed yet, we're in much the same boat (arguably much worse) with regards to deficit spending, despite not having a decent public healthcare system.

And as far as corporations vs. governments goes - governments are at the least accountable to the voters, corporations are accountable to no-one except their shareholders.



posted on Jul, 4 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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Political interference can account for much of the problems in the NHS.

But considering we spend half as much per captia, and just over half the proportion of GDP on healthcare compared to the US, it's not surprising that there is a deficit issue in the NHS. We seem to want a good universal healthcare system, on the cheap, whilst being badly mismanaged (maybe we could put some of the £20 billion put aside for new trident missiles into where it might do something useful, it would cover the current deficit for almost 40 years).

Even after all that, we still have a better outcome on many measures than the US, heh.



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