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Originally posted by earth2
Do you think its possible John is mentally ill. Im not trying to be funny but what is the deal. Some of the stuff he talks about is just....uhhh I dont know.
Originally posted by Dallas
I again wonder why Dr Love sticks so close by Mr Lear in thread discussions? Perhap's DL is justs straight infatuated with John, not hard to understand, seems to me Mr Lear's a brilliant mind.
Originally posted by observe50
I can see John now as in one of the interviews that he has done from his home.
He's in his office in his shorts sitting behind his desk all his TV are on and he starts reading this thread, he sits back and chuckles shaking his head back and forth thinking oh, God help me
Originally posted by nerbot
So John,.....in a nutshell............where do you have more friends?
At ATS we are a "band", an "army", .....an army of people who seek the truth.
I ask you ONE simple question....Whos side are you on?
If you are on OUR side, then please, GIVE US A SIGN. Tell us the REAL truth.
If you are on THEIR side, be a real man and just admit it.
If you have no reply.........YOU ARE A SPY
I'M PISSED OFF WITH YOU!.......I Don't want to be!!
Show us your worth..........................................................................
Hey John, did they fly that bird back to Minessota Air Guard Museum? And why did they want her so bad?
TO JOHN LEAR:
John, why am I not surprised being copied on a message to your lawyers and the media concerning a matter between the Air Force, CIA, and the Minnesota National Guard? You state: “----I take issue that this representation would be with the hijacked MANGMF bird.” HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU LOGICALLY, LEGALLY, OR OTHERWISE ALLEGE HIJACK FROM THE MINNESOTA AIR NATIONAL GUARD HISTORICAL FOUNDATION, INC. AND/OR JIM GOODALL? MANGMF is a private organization and Jim Goodall is a former Minnesota Air National Guard Master Sergeant who served as a part time historian. I don’t imagine the Minnesota Air National Guard appreciates you getting involved in behalf of MANGMF and Goodall any more than the Air Force, CIA, and certainly us Roadrunners.
Until recent events, the Roadrunners remained passive, but supportive in the Agency’s quest for an A-12 to memorialize the legacy of the CIA and us Roadrunners by installing one of our planes at CIA Headquarters to coincide with the CIA’s celebration of 60 years of gallant service to our nation. It came as a great shock and disappointment when you and Jim Goodall chose to publicly challenge rather than embrace the placement of the A-12 at CIA Headquarters as a reminder of our roles during the Cold War.
As I stated earlier, the selection of the plane and the moving of it are matters between the Air Force, CIA, and the Minnesota National Guard. There is no need for you, Jim Goodall, the media, the Senate, or the House of Representatives to get involved. I’m sure these entities have their own attorneys, so your attorneys can stand down. The stripping of the plane to screw with the CIA as reportedly bragged about by Goodall to the Wall Street Journal, et al is a matter between him and the law enforcement authorities. The distortion of the truth alleging hijackings and the role of the Roadrunners in the A-12 project and operations being published to the media and politicians is a matter that concerns the Roadrunners. Alerting our membership about this attack upon their legacy is not libelous as you stated. Patriotism or leadership would be more appropriate descriptions.
John, you must understand that Jim Goodall’s leaving a couple years ago did not cause our association to mourn any loss. A replacement for him was not necessary. We’ll just say the goals of Goodall and the Roadrunners had a phase difference of 180 degrees and that our missions were totally incompatible. We do not appreciate you forcing us to even discuss Goodall as you have in your widely distributed message to which I have to respond herein.
As you know the mission of Roadrunners Internationale is: “Preserving the history of the aviation pioneers and programs that developed the U-2, A-12 and YF-12 during the Cold War. The high water marks of aeronautical development.”
Like Goodall, You have chosen to challenge our mission and goals in the media. Using the media as a propaganda tool is totally unacceptable to an association of men and women who didn’t even tell their spouses what or where they were for over forty years. You voluntarily provided very public support of Jim Goodall’s likewise public call for our Senate and House of Representatives to transfer full and complete title (privatize) an A-12 spyplane, knowing it would probably end up for sale to the highest bidder on E-Bay or otherwise like the Dash One. Had you not told the media that you were calling upon your daddy’s good friend, Senator Harry Reid, to intervene, I probably would not have bothered to mention it in the newsletter. You forced our hand on that one.
During the past week your publicized interference and stated intent were brought before the Membership Committee of Roadrunners Internationale who determined your motives and goals for associate membership in our association to be severely incompatible and intolerable. Consequently, please be informed that your associate membership has been revoked and you are hereby severed from the rolls of our association effective immediately.
President & Webmaster
I'd still like to know about John's knowledge of William English, specifically Mr Englishes experience re the B52 sitting in the jungle of vietnam?
This concluded Bill English's statement which was transcribed
from 2 cassette tapes. I obtained this hand written memorandum in
August of 1987 from Paul Bennewitz during my visit with him in
Albuquerque. In September of 1988 I received a call from Bill
English. I asked for a chance to meet him and discuss the Grudge
13 report. He said that this could be arranged but that the
meeting would have to be on his terms for security reasons. He
explained that there had been several attempts on his life by
persons unknown since he had made the cassette tapes about six
years ago. We arranged a meeting at a small airport in Virginia
on September 16. I was to sit in the lobby with my black flight
bag and for identification purposes I told Bill what I would be
wearing.l I had no telephone number for Bill.
As I walked into the small airport lobby after about a three hour
drive from Richmond, I immediately noticed 2 gentlemen who seemed
`out of place' for this locale. Both were wearing pin striped 3
piece suits, both had on dark glasses. One was a black gentleman.
One was stationed inside the lobby door looking out at the
parking lot, one was leaning up against an airline counter. I sat
down and after a few minutes was approached by a tall, bearded
man in jeans and a heavy jacket. He asked if I wanted to have a
drink. We walked outside and he introduced himself as Bill
English. We drove in Bill's car into town to a local bar. About
five minutes after we ordered and started to talk, the men I had
seen at the airport came into the bar and sat down. We left for
Bill's house and never saw the men again for the next 2 days.
During the next two days I stayed with Bill and his wife and two
children in a small trailer in the middle of a field at his farm.
I asked him endless questions concerning the Grudge 13 document,
how he happened to see it, what happened to him after he saw it
and literally thousands of questions about the content of the
document. My impression of Bill English was that he was totally
honest, that he stood behind his statements and recollection of
the Grudge 13 papers, that he was a devoted husband and father
to his wife's 2 children. That Bill English was ready to come
forward and enter into any debate regarding the legitimacy of the
document and his recollections thereof. Of Bill`s compassion for
his father and his father's feelings concerning Bill and the
reasons for their occasional disagreements. I have tremendous
respect for Bill and what he has tried to do in getting this
information out to the public. It has been at tremendous personal
risk, not to mention the ridicule by sponsored agents such as
Bill Moore, who has stated that the Grudge 13 papers were a
What follows is additional information about the Grudge 13 papers
that I obtained from Bill during my visit. In addition to the
following Bill painstakingly drew many sketches of the photos of
different types of flying saucers, the equipment obtained from
them including a sketch of the football sized nuclear generator
and sketches of the autopsy photos.
From my notes taken during our 2 day meeting: Bill described
a photo taken of 3 live aliens. Very clear photos, aliens
standing against a white tile wall, looking confused as if they
had been shoved, were looking in different directions.
Report said that aliens had contacted a U.S. Intelligence
Agency for initial 2 meetings, one at Holloman, one at Homestead.
U.S. Air Force relocation personnel (for persons involved in
close encounters) were referred to as `Men in Black'.
Major Cunningham was initially accused of murdering Sgt.
Jonathan P. Lovette. Charges were later dropped.
Bill English's place of employment in England was Security
Services Command, RAF Chicksands.
Entire Grudge 13 Report was written as if report was geared
toward preparation of defenses.
Report told of ultrasonic weapons found in Germany at the
end of WWII that could shatter 4" thick armor.
Report told of sensitive military and industrial areas at
which personnel have experienced missing time.
Report told about missing time experienced with personnel
associated with North American X-15 rocket plane project.
Report stated that there were 17 different species accounted
for up to the time of the report.
Extraterrestrials were referred to as A.L.F.'s. Alien Life
forms in the report.
Report referred to one UFO that was recovered and test
flown. The UFO blew up as the two Air Force pilots aboard
attempted to leave the atmosphere. English recalls the date as in
the mid 50's.
Report refers to flying saucer program as `Project Red
Light' and that a secret installation had been constructed in the
middle of the Atomic Energy Commission testing ground in Nevada.
At the time of the report 11 alien cadavers were being kept
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
That additional alien cadavers were being stored at 4 to 5
other medical institutions.
That 2 flying saucers of extraterrestrial origin had been
tested in the wind tunnel at langley, Va.
That at the time of the report one disc was being stored at
McDill Air Force Base, Florida.
That at the time of the report, 1 damaged disc was at Eglin
Air Force Base in Florida.
That at the time of the report that had been 2 UFO incidents
at Ft. Riley, Kansas.
That at the time of the report a detachment of the Alpha
Recovery Team was based at Randolph Air Force Base.
The report discussed civilian and military personnel who had
been terminated `to eliminate potentially dangerous elements to
the national security'.
The General James Doolittle had been mentioned several times
in the report with the notation that "his (Doolittle's)
predictions might be correct". There was no indication of what
those predictions might have been.
A short segment containing the quotation. "By presidential
order, certain aspects of research have been undertaken".
Anything to do with The Seychelles affair?